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Posted 24 January 2011 - 06:43 AM

Hey, im in the middle of painting..on photoshop.
All of a sudden, PS freezes, and my art work had not been saved at all
Is there anyway of making a 'not responding' program, respond?
-or am i screwed.

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 09:58 AM

Sometimes after a while it will unfreeze itself if you keep clicking it. If not, sorry for your loss.
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 01:46 PM

Well, PS has an autosave feature. It might not have EVERYthing, but it should have most, unless you just started. BTW, is it Elements? 'Cause it crashes a lot, for a lot of people.
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 02:04 PM

Thanks for your replies guys!
But worst came to worst, and i had to end the process :\
I started again though, shit happens I guess.

Umm, i dont even know haha. It was a gift. I only have Photoshop CS5 extended

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 02:20 PM

Then it isn't PSE. Hhhmmm, I could have sworn there was autosave...
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 07:27 PM

Don't use pirate copies of Photoshop. Legitimate versions crash a heck of a lot less.

**EDIT**

Yes, this is an assumption. It's a justified assumption because I've used pirate copies of PS and I know how often it crashes when it's been poorly cracked.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 05:16 PM

FUDGE!

I'm having this same problem but with sony vegas 10 pro...editing my frekin minecraft video didn't save a damn thing and I do something as simple as click the stop button and all of a sudden it's not responding.  WTF MATE?

Anyways somewhat shamelessly plugging my youtube channel while searching for a way to save this project.  Looks like it's going to have be dumped. :/

EDIT:  Is it when the program gets a white haze over the whole window that it's basically letting you know you're screwed?

Edited by Kristubs, 10 April 2012 - 05:18 PM.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 05:20 PM

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Yes, this is an assumption. It's a justified assumption because I've used pirate copies of PS and I know how often it crashes when it's been poorly cracked.
As a side, slightly OT note, CS3, 4, 5 and PS are the most pirated software in the world.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 05:24 PM

I've never experienced problems with cracked versions of Photoshop crashing on me.  Guess it must be a "bad crack" as the guy had said.  But anyways I think I'm ******** but I'm going to try and wait it out.Posted Image


EDIT!!!!:  OMG IT AUTOSAVED  JALALUA

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:33 PM

View PostHonestFlames, on 24 January 2011 - 07:27 PM, said:

Don't use pirate copies of Photoshop. Legitimate versions crash a heck of a lot less.

**EDIT**

Yes, this is an assumption. It's a justified assumption because I've used pirate copies of PS and I know how often it crashes when it's been poorly cracked.
I know some people who used to use a pirated copy of photoshop cs5, no crashes at all. So I guess your assumption may vary.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:40 PM

If it does freeze again have a look in windows Event Viewer to see if it points to module/file which is causing the issue?
When I've has constant app freezes I've checked it in windows Event Viewer which Often shown it was a bad .dll file

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:45 PM

View PostTheLastMellen, on 24 January 2011 - 09:58 AM, said:

Sometimes after a while it will unfreeze itself if you keep clicking it. If not, sorry for your loss.
LOL NO, Don't spam click. That will just likely make it not respond for a longer time or just crash

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:19 PM

I have lost my art workings up to points in Photoshop 10 Elements many times doing final edits. I see no difference in crashing vs the trial CS5, to see a difference. It is up to the program if it wishes to work or not.

Guess what, neither have if barely ever crashed on me. Though I dint care for CS5, hence trial only, elements has all I need.

The most common thing I do notice that will crash any Photoshop version, is your performance settings. I highly suggest if it is crashing, you turn off all forms of GPU acceleration and ensure it uses the CPU alone for processing. Though I did not have that issue, unless doing some intensive filter workings or so.

This is why you save, save, save, save. Always save, then make a backup of your work, save a new file. Honestly, I cannot stress it enough when people only have 1 file, and program crashes and corrupts it, thus they lose it all.

I hail and bow to Paint Tools SAI.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:49 PM

The reason for these crashes and freezes is, let's be frank, that it's Adobe software.

All Adobe software is pretty much unstable crap. Flash, shockwave, acrobat, PS, CS, AE, Premire, etc.

Features? Good.
Stable programs? Not in the slightest.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:10 PM

The first thing my graphics teacher taught us was to get in the habit of hitting Command-S every few minutes. Of course, this proved futile on the 20 layered, intricately textured project I worked on last quarter because it took 10 minutes just to save. -_-

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:12 PM

View Postfm87, on 10 April 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

The reason for these crashes and freezes is, let's be frank, that it's Adobe software.

All Adobe software is pretty much unstable crap. Flash, shockwave, acrobat, PS, CS, AE, Premire, etc.

Features? Good.
Stable programs? Not in the slightest.
To be fair, only Acrobat Pro has been crashing on me recently - everything else like Indesign and Photoshop seem to be fine - they seem pretty stable.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:41 PM

*This is all from memory so could be wrong or inaccurate...*
For reference, I guess it's not a bad idea to explore just what it means when windows says a program has "Stopped responding" or is "not responding".

"Responding to what?" is a good question.

With windows, Applications are told of actions and other such events by way of messages. At the lowest level, all Windows programs that display a window will have a Message loop. This is run after the window class is initialized, and properly dispatches messages to the proper window procedures of each window.

when a program "stops responding", it means that it's message loop is blocked. This usually means that "to much" processing is occuring in the message handler, the message handler entered an infinite loop, etc. Most people don't write GUI applications in C (and may the sanity of those that do rest in peace), but frameworks, and other language designs all end up having to deal with this.

The rules for a GUI program are pretty simple- anything you do with the GUI has to be done on the same thread, which means it has to occur on the call stack of the message loop. Typically, this means it occurs while a message is processed. This is enforced, for example, in .NET Windows Forms, where dealing with a GUI object, changing properties, and so forth requires that the code in question be run on the same thread. The way to deal with this is to use a method of a control to "invoke" your code, which basically means that the next time that control receives control it will run that code, which will result in it being run on the GUI thread.

If a program does too much processing in the same thread as the GUI thread, it will stop responding. Windows actually waits a few seconds after it stops receiving responses from the programs message handler to change the caption to "Not Responding" One clear sign of the Not responding issue on earlier systems or without Aero is that the window will often blank out, or parts of the window will no longer draw. This is because the program is no longer responding to or handling new messages, including WM_PAINT which deals with drawing. (elements that are still visible were saved using a window style that saves the bitmap of the window).

What can we conclude from this? If we ignore for the moment that this is an Adobe product, we have to think...

What would PS be doing on the GUI thread that causes it to stop responding? Filters are handled in a separate thread; in fact, a lot of activity is dealt with outside the GUI thread, which is only used to update the screen. It could very well have been a once-in-while occurence; sometimes a issue crops up or some unexpected condition occurs that causes either a thread deadlock between the GUI thread waiting for some data resource while the thread that has that resource locked is waiting for some other resource that the GUI thread owns.

However, there is one critical piece of code that is interspersed in other code that does run in the GUI thread.

The License checking code.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:46 PM

View PostBC_Programming, on 10 April 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

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To be fair, only Acrobat Pro has been crashing on me recently - everything else like Indesign and Photoshop seem to be fine - they seem pretty stable.
They might seem it, but I assure you they will turn on you one day.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 02:51 AM

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This is why you save, save, save, save. Always save, then make a backup of your work, save a new file. Honestly, I cannot stress it enough when people only have 1 file, and program crashes and corrupts it, thus they lose it all.
This reminded me of the Adobe software I've found most unreliable- not Photoshop, which has been solid for me- Flash.

First, it crashed about 30% of the time I tried to edit Action Script.

Then after finally accepting that annoyance, I made a fatal mistake. I used the Save feature.

This overwrote the older .fla with the new awesome-o zipped XML thingamajig format. I was fine with this, I didn't intend to open the .fla with flash 9 anyway, and I could always Save As.

Of course, the problem is that the file was corrupt and Flash refused to open it. thx chaps.  That was when I stopped making flash animations, for the most part.

Most of the other's in the suite seem to be fine. Flash is the pickle. I'm actually tempted to install Flash MX.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 03:10 AM

View Postfm87, on 10 April 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

As a side, slightly OT note, CS3, 4, 5 and PS are the most pirated software in the world.
Is Sony Vegas Pro a close second?