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Posted 11 June 2010 - 11:55 AM

Why not have something similar to Garrys Mod's prop protection?
Garrys mod is another sandbox game where you build stuff with props from Half-Life 2.
Prop protection in Garrys mod allows the player to enable who can touch or interact with props he spawned.
So if your solo building and someone trys to remove your stuff, prop protection wont allow them to interact with your stuff. Also it has a feature which can (when the user allows a player(s) to touch his props) let selected people touch your stuff


How it would work in Mine Craft --

1) New Key - Possibly add a new key to function as a in-game menu to open *Name is just temp :3* Block Protection From that it gives you a list of players currently ingame next to their name is a Check or X if you click on the check it adds them to your Block Protection list if they do something horrible open the in-game menu and click on the X to remove them, so they can't do anymore harm.

2) Press Esc to acces Block Protection and the same interface as above.


This would help stopping greifers whilst there are not admins in a server.

Possible Negative attributes--

People block off spawn - Well, yes this could happen, so maybe if you are not on someones block protection when you remove a block, it momentarily removes it, for about half a second, just long enough so you can delete two blocks to walk through the wall.

Positive attributes--

People can not permanently remove your blocks

People can not spawn blocks ontop of your blocks (It is owned by you, and they cannot interact with it, therefore they cant spawn blocks on it.)

This will almost completely remove all grefier cases, with this simple function! (Im not a developer so I do not know how hard this will be to impliment into the game but I hope its not to complicated..it is almost a necessary addition to Mine Craft .)

This would be amazing for servers to use!
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 12:11 PM

The issue with that is that Garry's Mod is less of a game and more of a toy/tool. What you're suggesting is very similar to land claim flags, though. The reason why there is controversy is that a lot of people want to be able to edit other people's structures- break into their houses and steal their stuff, or have epic battles in which one side is trying to knock down your castle and your side is trying to protect it, etc...

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 12:24 PM

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The issue with that is that Garry's Mod is less of a game and more of a toy/tool. What you're suggesting is very similar to land claim flags, though. The reason why there is controversy is that a lot of people want to be able to edit other people's structures- break into their houses and steal their stuff, or have epic battles in which one side is trying to knock down your castle and your side is trying to protect it, etc...


It seems to me that you are talking about PvP attacking or just greifing (people want to be able to edit other people's structures- break into their houses and steal their stuff) What are they going to steal, and breaking into your house is similar to greifing..

(or have epic battles in which one side is trying to knock down your castle and your side is trying to protect it)
If you WANT to destroy you castles, dont join a creative server :3
otherwise its just greifing on a larger scale lol
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 12:35 PM

Asdflvr said:

8bit said:

The issue with that is that Garry's Mod is less of a game and more of a toy/tool. What you're suggesting is very similar to land claim flags, though. The reason why there is controversy is that a lot of people want to be able to edit other people's structures- break into their houses and steal their stuff, or have epic battles in which one side is trying to knock down your castle and your side is trying to protect it, etc...


It seems to me that you are talking about PvP attacking or just greifing (people want to be able to edit other people's structures- break into their houses and steal their stuff) What are they going to steal, and breaking into your house is similar to greifing..

(or have epic battles in which one side is trying to knock down your castle and your side is trying to protect it)
If you WANT to destroy you castles, dont join a creative server :3
otherwise its just greifing on a larger scale lol

Remember it is SURVIVAL not Creative mode

Edit: Wait are we talking about greifing in creative mode or survival (In(f)dev)?
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 12:39 PM

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Asdflvr said:

8bit said:

The issue with that is that Garry's Mod is less of a game and more of a toy/tool. What you're suggesting is very similar to land claim flags, though. The reason why there is controversy is that a lot of people want to be able to edit other people's structures- break into their houses and steal their stuff, or have epic battles in which one side is trying to knock down your castle and your side is trying to protect it, etc...


It seems to me that you are talking about PvP attacking or just greifing (people want to be able to edit other people's structures- break into their houses and steal their stuff) What are they going to steal, and breaking into your house is similar to greifing..

(or have epic battles in which one side is trying to knock down your castle and your side is trying to protect it)
If you WANT to destroy you castles, dont join a creative server :3
otherwise its just greifing on a larger scale lol

Remember it is SURVIVAL not Creative mode

Your talking about Notch implimenting MP in Survival?
Im not sure what your talking about but I am talking about on just multiplayer servers, where your just supposed to be creative and build epic things :3 I really hate it when im working on something and someone just like digs under it gets inside and destroys it.
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 12:55 PM

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Im not sure what your talking about but I am talking about on just multiplayer servers, where your just supposed to be creative and build epic things :3 I really hate it when im working on something and someone just like digs under it gets inside and destroys it.

Oh, I'm sorry. You see, there has been a lot of discussion about griefing in multiplayer survival, so I just kind of assumed you were talking about that. My bad.

This sounds like an alright solution for creative, so long as mods wouldn't be restricted, but you'd still have the issue of people building swastikas and penises and stuff, or just building on top of your stuff. There's also already the solution of not being able to build outside of a pre-designated area unless approved by an admin.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 01:04 PM

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Im not sure what your talking about but I am talking about on just multiplayer servers, where your just supposed to be creative and build epic things :3 I really hate it when im working on something and someone just like digs under it gets inside and destroys it.

Oh, I'm sorry. You see, there has been a lot of discussion about griefing in multiplayer survival, so I just kind of assumed you were talking about that. My bad.

This sounds like an alright solution for creative, so long as mods wouldn't be restricted, but you'd still have the issue of people building swastikas and penises and stuff, or just building on top of your stuff. There's also already the solution of not being able to build outside of a pre-designated area unless approved by an admin.

Its okay we all mis read stuff all the time :3 its cool

But about "or just building on top of your stuff" above in my original post I said something along the lines of they wont be able to build ontop of your blocks beacuse that would be interacting with your blocks, which block protection would not allow them to interact with blocks therefore, they wont be able to give your castle a dick :3

(but you'd still have the issue of people building swastikas and penises and stuff)
I find those kind of people funny :3 lol
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 03:47 AM

The solutions that exist now are adequate for creative, I think. Find a server, hang out for a while and build untill they notice you being creative, not destructive, and give you access to member areas. Boom! Little to no griefing.
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 08:33 AM

So what you're saying is that people should be able to create boxes around the spawn point in creative maps, that only an OP can remove?

I'm sure nobody would EVER abuse THAT.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 12:09 PM

Why does it seem some people read half of the post - then just scroll down to point out a problem, when in the post, it covers that issue..

"People block off spawn - Well, yes this could happen, so maybe if you are not on someones block protection when you remove a block, it momentarily removes it, for about half a second, just long enough so you can delete two blocks to walk through the wall."
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Posted 13 June 2010 - 02:40 PM

Asdflvr said:

Why does it seem some people read half of the post - then just scroll down to point out a problem, when in the post, it covers that issue..

"People block off spawn - Well, yes this could happen, so maybe if you are not on someones block protection when you remove a block, it momentarily removes it, for about half a second, just long enough so you can delete two blocks to walk through the wall."
Let's say a asshole places 20 layer blocks around the spawn. Kinda annoying huh?
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Posted 13 June 2010 - 02:44 PM

fendron said:

Asdflvr said:

Why does it seem some people read half of the post - then just scroll down to point out a problem, when in the post, it covers that issue..

"People block off spawn - Well, yes this could happen, so maybe if you are not on someones block protection when you remove a block, it momentarily removes it, for about half a second, just long enough so you can delete two blocks to walk through the wall."
Let's say a asshole places 20 layer blocks around the spawn. Kinda annoying huh?

You'd still be able to get out if the blocks were deleted for a decent amount of time. Say, 5 seconds or so, but eh.

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 03:47 AM

Yeah it would be pretty annoying, but i belive the benifits out way the problem i think, its a great idea, but yeah, the possiblilty of some ass hole doing that is there, just not that large. plus, then you can just dig under it
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