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#1

sczmaster
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 07:45 AM

Players should not be forced to have to kill animals to get items like, meat, fathers, leather. There should be some kind of store in a village you can buy these goods from. Why should you have to murder innocent animals just to get food or leather? It is 2012 and minecraft should represent that. Just like real life, minecraft should have the option to buy these items without any animals being harmed.

Why kill a cow for its leather or meat when you can just go to a store and buy it without any animals being harmed?  The game needs a store you can buy items from.

I know some may dissagree, but the current system sets a bad example for children to play and think it is OK to kill animals.

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yoshi9048

Posted 05 May 2012 - 08:29 AM

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View Postsczmaster, on 05 May 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Players should not be forced to have to kill animals to get items like, meat, fathers, leather. There should be some kind of store in a village you can buy these goods from. Why should you have to murder innocent animals just to get food or leather?
For the same reason a lion has to murder an innocent gazelle to feed the pride.

Also, where do you think this food and leather comes from? Do you think we have leather trees that we just pluck rolls of leather from? Do you think there's a meat vegetable where meat is plucked at the right time of season? How does buying meat from murderers make you any less of an accessory to murder?

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It is 2012 and minecraft should represent that. Just like real life, minecraft should have the option to buy these items without any animals being harmed.
If you have the knowledge of how to create a balanced economy using resources of value; sure.

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Why kill a cow for its leather or meat when you can just go to a store and buy it without any animals being harmed?
Oh man, I see what you're talking about. Now when I go to a steakhouse, I can chow down on that 14oz Ribeye knowing full-well that no animal was harmed to bring me it; that alleviates such a great moral fear from my shoulders.

I'm going to tell all my friends to eat as much meat as possible if they buy it from a store, animals weren't harmed at all, so it's fair game.

Sarcasm mode off: When you kill a cow in Minecraft, switches are turned off and an instance of code is deleted... Do changes in voltage deserve humane representation?

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The game needs a store you can buy items from.
No it doesn't.

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I know some may dissagree, but the current system sets a bad example for children to play and think it is OK to kill animals.
Certainly, it's OK to kill animals. There are children that live on farms and in the backwoods that MUST learn to kill chickens, deer, or whatever they can. I'd say it's a bad example to call these children that must rely on their skills to hunt or produce "murderers".

If it's a moral problem, grow wheat, grow mushrooms! They are an excellent source of food. You need armor? Get iron! No animals were harmed in the making of your armor then!

You need arrows? Kill skeletons!

I find it hilarious that you make mention of the rights of code in the form of animals yet you say nothing about the desecration of humans into the undead; the suicidal bombings of a camouflaged terrorist; the feeding of human remains to a wolf to befriend it; cannibalism; or murdering still living arachnids which are considered as much animals as the mammals you are attempting to protect.

Does killing silverfish count as murder? How about testificates? Hell, testificates better! I mean, if killing a cow is murder, how much worse for highly anthropomorphic creatures? What about the rights of slime, they're much more intelligent and sentient than the chickens you are trying to protect!

Biggest thing: We have guessed your desire for an economy and you could have stated so without creating an unwieldy argument attacking the morals of the individuals of the forum.

Debatable concept, HORRIBLE use of an example to get your point across.
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DoomlordKarthus

Posted 05 May 2012 - 10:51 AM

I think yoshi9048 summed it all up. That said, this thread is pointless and should go die in a fire.
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 11:22 AM

It's survival, not hippie gamemode. Eat bread if you don't want to hunt down animals.
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 11:29 AM

As much as I agree on Shops in villages, where do you think the villagers will get the meat to sell? Minecraft is a game based on a strange planet made of blocks in which you have to survive, and since alpha, Steve had to kill pigs to survive.

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gertrudestein

Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:24 PM

View Postsczmaster, on 05 May 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Players should not be forced to have to kill animals to get items like, meat, fathers, leather. There should be some kind of store in a village you can buy these goods from. Why should you have to murder innocent animals just to get food or leather? It is 2012 and minecraft should represent that. Just like real life, minecraft should have the option to buy these items without any animals being harmed.

Why kill a cow for its leather or meat when you can just go to a store and buy it without any animals being harmed?  The game needs a store you can buy items from.

I know some may dissagree, but the current system sets a bad example for children to play and think it is OK to kill animals.
And by children eating regular meats, they think it's OK to let animals live in terrible animal farms and get butchered without any life to live?
Go to buy a store to get leather? Where does the leather come from? A store? This isn't Skyrim orAssassin's Creed, bro!
Ever since the dawn of man (lol whateva) animals have had to die for food.
Minecraft also has a growing fruit section to be honest, just live on apples and melons and bread.
I went veggie for a while on MC.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:28 PM

I agree because the villagers need to be improved, not because I give a shit about the chickens that throw me into mines.

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gertrudestein

Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:31 PM

View Postsczmaster, on 05 May 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

? It is 2012 and minecraft should represent that. Just like real life, minecraft should have the option to buy these items without any animals being harmed.
A] Why should minecraft represent 2012 ?
B]Look. You don't guy pig's meat and the pig is alive. When you buy chicken, they have to kill that chicken in conditions that make Minecraft conditions seem like heaven.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 01:11 PM

I would be in favor of this idea, if you can make a perfectly balanced economical system with the prices of all the blocks worth a balanced amount compared to eachother.
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 01:51 PM

I've +1'd Yoshi's post, since it makes all the points I could hope to on why this is incredibly foolish. The only thing I can really add is my own personal Posted Image
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 02:12 PM

Holy shit guys, Peta is on to us!

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 02:17 PM

View Postsczmaster, on 05 May 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Players should not be forced to have to kill animals to get items like, meat, fathers, leather. There should be some kind of store in a village you can buy these goods from. Why should you have to murder innocent animals just to get food or leather? It is 2012 and minecraft should represent that. Just like real life, minecraft should have the option to buy these items without any animals being harmed.

Why kill a cow for its leather or meat when you can just go to a store and buy it without any animals being harmed?  The game needs a store you can buy items from.

I know some may dissagree, but the current system sets a bad example for children to play and think it is OK to kill animals.

dafuq are you talking about? If you don't want to kill animals, grow some wheat.

It's murder? Excuse me Google, define pl0x. "The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."

Bad example for children? Tell them to stop killing animals and go play an FPS, possibly a less violent game (as killing an animal is far worse than if a human dies).


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Posted 05 May 2012 - 02:29 PM

Let's stop killing animals so we can buy the products that come from killing animals.

Besides the stupid logic of how no animals will be harmed, how do these shops work? What do you pay the villagers with? What do these shops look like?

You don't even go into detail with the shop system, and that just leaves an even more crappy suggestion.

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#14

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 02:46 PM

View Postsczmaster, on 05 May 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Players should not be forced to have to kill animals to get items like, meat, fathers, leather.
Well you're in luck: players aren't. There is nothing key to success in the game that requires killing a (non-hostile) animal. You can live vegetarian with ease (I usually do just because wheat production is so easy). You don't need leather for anything really worthwhile at the moment. Aside from that nothing truly vital comes from animals except feathers to be used in arrow making. But you can get arrows ready made from skeletons (find a spawner, and you will never need to kill a LIVING thing for arrows ever again).

You can play full featured survival Minecraft without killing living, non-monster things. Nobody is forced to kill.

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It is 2012 and minecraft should represent that. Just like real life, minecraft should have the option to buy these items without any animals being harmed.

Why kill a cow for its leather or meat when you can just go to a store and buy it without any animals being harmed?
Um...yea. So where do you go to get chicken that didn't come from chickens and leather that didn't come from cows? I hate to break it to you, friend, but the leather in those shoes they sell at Wal Mart, and the meet in the little packages at the grocery store--those came from animals! (and those animals were harmed...)


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#15

Cryptoendolith

Posted 05 May 2012 - 03:28 PM

Game shops would be cool and it's one of the reasons I play almost exclusively on multiplayer servers. That and I get lonely knowing I'm the only one who will ever see the world I'm making...

Distancing yourself from the goings on that put food on your table is unhealthy and leads to threads like this where people assume that somehow what they buy in a shop is different from the cows out in the field. Your pet bunny is three steps away from a delicious stew! It's a sobering thought but it's true. And delicious.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 03:34 PM

I'm just gonna leave this here:




In all seriousness though...

I hate when vegans try to force it onto sensible people that eating meat is bad. There is nothing wrong with eating meat. Things die in order to support others. It's how it has always worked for the millions of millions of years that life has existed.

Are single celled organisms murderers for absorbing another single celled organism?

Are bears murderers for grabbing fish out of the river?

No, they aren't, and neither are humans for doing the same thing. Just try to tell me you have never squashed a bug or disinfected a surface.

animals eat meat. Grow up, accept the facts, and get over it. Humans are animals and you need to accept that. If we had never eaten meat we wouldn't be in the state we are now.
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 03:47 PM

Before anybody thinks it: I am not a vegan, nor even a vegetarian...

View PostSting_Auer, on 05 May 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

I hate when vegans try to force it onto sensible people that eating meat is bad. There is nothing wrong with eating meat. Things die in order to support others. It's how it has always worked for the millions of millions of years that life has existed.
That pattern of argument, that something happens in nature therefore it's morally OK, is called the "naturalistic fallacy". It's called that because it's unreliable. Humans get needlessly killed in nature, or die in anguish, that doesn't make it ok to go out and cause them to.

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Are single celled organisms murderers for absorbing another single celled organism?

Are bears murderers for grabbing fish out of the river?

No, they aren't, and neither are humans for doing the same thing.
Animals aren't blamed for things that it would be wrong for humans to do. Why? Because animals aren't self aware, and act from instinct. Humans are self aware, know what they are doing, and can morally reflect on it. So again, you can't reason from us not blaming animals to us not blaming people (remember, animals kill humans too...).

So yea, not defending this suggestion (see above) but let's stick to good moral reasoning.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 03:56 PM

View Postsczmaster, on 05 May 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Players should not be forced to have to kill animals to get items like, meat, fathers, leather.
Since when have you been forced to do that? Install the new snapshot or a mod if you want those items without killing virtual animals.

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There should be some kind of store in a village you can buy these goods from. Why should you have to murder innocent animals just to get food or leather? It is 2012 and minecraft should represent that. Just like real life, minecraft should have the option to buy these items without any animals being harmed.
Note: Animals are harmed to the point of death when processing and getting meat. And, seriously, people eat meat all the time in 2012.

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Why kill a cow for its leather or meat when you can just go to a store and buy it without any animals being harmed?
See above. Again, the animals are virtual. They don't exist.

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The game needs a store you can buy items from.
Notch is going to add a villager trading system.

Mod, creative mode, realizing these animals are virtual, "inside the dream of a game". Those are the ways to solve your problem.
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 04:03 PM

View Postyoshi9048, on 05 May 2012 - 08:29 AM, said:

Also, where do you think this food and leather comes from? Do you think we have leather trees that we just pluck rolls of leather
I'm going to tell all my friends to eat as much meat as possible if they buy it from a store, animals weren't harmed at all, so it's fair game.
Sarcasm mode off: When you kill a cow in Minecraft, switches are turned off and an instance of code is deleted... Do changes in voltage deserve humane representation?
Certainly, it's OK to kill animals. There are children that live on farms and in the backwoods that MUST learn to kill chickens, deer, or whatever they can. I'd say it's a bad example to call these children that must rely on their skills to hunt or produce "murderers".

If it's a moral problem, grow wheat, grow mushrooms! They are an excellent source of food. You need armor? Get iron! No animals were harmed in the making of your armor then!

You need arrows? Kill skeletons!

I find it hilarious that you make mention of the rights of code in the form of animals yet you say nothing about the desecration of humans into the undead; the suicidal bombings of a camouflaged terrorist; the feeding of human remains to a wolf to befriend it; cannibalism; or murdering still living arachnids which are considered as much animals as the mammals you are attempting to protect.

Does killing silverfish count as murder? How about testificates? Hell, testificates better! I mean, if killing a cow is murder, how much worse for highly anthropomorphic creatures? What about the rights of slime, they're much more intelligent and sentient than the chickens you are trying to protect!

Biggest thing: We have guessed your desire for an economy and you could have stated so without creating an unwieldy argument attacking the morals of the individuals of the forum.

Debatable concept, HORRIBLE use of an example to get your point across.

Yes but I want trading with npc and in 1.3 you need leather to craft books
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Cryptoendolith

Posted 05 May 2012 - 04:08 PM

actually, maybe getting a single feather from a chicken when you kill it is kinda stupid... You should be able to collect feathers without killing the bird. Maybe they drop one every time they're hit? After all, they're used for arrows and you can never have enough of those!