Jump to content

  • Curse Sites
Become a Premium Member! Help
Latest News Article

Minecraft is finished; what your playing is the final versio


  • Please log in to reply
40 replies to this topic

#1

Smackinjuice

Posted 07 January 2011 - 01:58 AM

On Monday, we’ll try to guess how long each point will take, then come up with a release date for Minecraft. Since we’re releasing often and early, the actual release itself won’t contain any huge changes to the game compared to what it was like a week ago, but it represents a point of time where we go from “trying to finish a game” to “maintaining and expanding upon a game”. It’s going to feel great to have something that I can point at and say “we made this. This is it”.

I'm not going to look into this with some deep or hidden meaning; it pretty much states clearly based on the history of his blog... expect new water mob, maybe paint, and hopefully 1 new block.

Oh well I guess, was fun dreaming of what this game could of been.  I want to thank all the modders here for giving this game 90% of it's content.

Register or log in to remove.

#2

Bechorath
  • Location: Inside a castle

Posted 07 January 2011 - 02:08 AM

Well just because it is practically the 'finished product' doesn't mean that is is anywhere close to being done with.  Think expansions and tons of modifications (zombie appocalypse version, the floor is lava version, along with a million things from the community).

It's as close to being a complete game as any MMORPG is.  It may be a 'full game' but it will never be done with.
Speak softly and carry a big stick.

#3

lordzed
    lordzed

    Carpenter

  • Members
  • 68 posts

Posted 07 January 2011 - 02:14 AM

Nothing says the game won't continue to get large amounts of content post release, just look at how much Team Fortress 2 has change since its release.
And that children, is the true meaning of Christmas.

#4

CkGordon
  • Location: Michigan, USA

Posted 07 January 2011 - 02:16 AM

I'm pretty sure this game isn't getting much larger. Notch made his millions, got his awards, and now he's done with the game. He's gonna focus on his next game which he stated is nothing like minecraft and focus on his company. Minecraft has the potential to become so much more but from what I've observed it's slowing down and will eventually (probably soon) stop.

At least in the blog he stated that one of the finished product goals is official mod support. He went from being against mods to now embracing it. What this tells me is that he's bored with the game and just wants to pass it off to the community to build on.
"We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools." -Martin Luther King Jr.

"It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." -Andre Gide

#5

Smackinjuice

Posted 07 January 2011 - 02:18 AM

"Bechorath"]Well just because it is practically the 'finished product' doesn't mean that is is anywhere close to being done with."

you kinda contradicted yourself, now if you meant it's not close to being done with because of modders than your right.  But don't expect the actually official game to change other than fixes to bugs/ and what i already stated for content.  What we are playing now is it.

Also that's why I said thank you to all the modders, without them I would want my money back.

Also anything post release you realize theres a good chance (since that' why the contract has changed...) that we would have to pay for it, as in DLC.  Sorry but just cause he once said he wouldn't nickle and dime us (which is really a tactic heard by companies like EA and other's who charge up the ass for any little thing).  Doesn't mean he won't see the value in it, or change his mind.

Heck this is seems like it's the future of mine craft; i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of modders start migrating over
http://manicdigger.s...forge.net/news/

#6

rymmie1981

Posted 07 January 2011 - 02:35 AM

Wow, I'm pretty sure you read that wrong.  Let me translate it for you.
-
-
-
-
On Monday(that being Monday, January 10th, 2011) the Mojang team will discuss what the specific goals are that they have to meet for notch to consider the game complete.  They will then guess how long it will take to reach each goal in succession.  They will then add those times together, and after using high-level mathematical formulas(counting and addition), they will have a tentative release date.

Furthermore, the game will not change drastically when it does release as a full retail version.  The game may not be much different than it was a week prior to the arbitrary "release date" we will have defined from the meeting described previously.  The reason is that we update the game with content and bugfixes at rapid pace such that it will only be a change of paradigm from the creation of the game to the maintenance and expansion of the game.
-
-
-
-
Of course, I might be wrong about that.  But I'm not.

#7

Bechorath
  • Location: Inside a castle

Posted 07 January 2011 - 02:40 AM

Smackinjuice said:

"Bechorath"]Well just because it is practically the 'finished product' doesn't mean that is is anywhere close to being done with."

you kinda contradicted yourself, now if you meant it's not close to being done with because of modders than your right.  But don't expect the actually official game to change other than fixes to bugs/ and what i already stated for content.  What we are playing now is it.

Also that's why I said thank you to all the modders, without them I would want my money back.

Also anything post release you realize theres a good chance (since that' why the contract has changed...) that we would have to pay for it, as in DLC.  Sorry but just cause he once said he wouldn't nickle and dime us (which is really a tactic heard by companies like EA and other's who charge up the ass for any little thing).  Doesn't mean he won't see the value in it, or change his mind.

Heck this is seems like it's the future of mine craft; i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of modders start migrating over
http://manicdigger.s...forge.net/news/
Well.. i supposed i used the wrong wording for it.  For 'finished project' i mean to be comsidered a full game, again in the same sense of an mmorph, as they are full games, yet still getting lots of content added to them.  
I do expect the game to get modded and relied on as much as starcraft does, but I also expect content that would likely be DLC, though I have Alpha version, so any DLC would be guaranteed to me for free; it might be a kick in the pants for anyone with beta, but I still expect some good things from mojang, albeit far and few between.
Speak softly and carry a big stick.

#8

mnjiman
    mnjiman

    Forum/Wiki Sponsor

  • Curse Premium
  • 445 posts

Posted 07 January 2011 - 02:56 AM

Way to take a post out of context.

#9

Smackinjuice

Posted 07 January 2011 - 03:36 AM

Ok maybe no DLC (i bought it during alpha so yeah...) but he could just make a few things and release it as an expansion.  we are NOT entitled to those; as it would be considered in context a separate game (but not really... but when you sign a contract for 1 game, expansions don't come with it).

#10

Bechorath
  • Location: Inside a castle

Posted 07 January 2011 - 03:43 AM

Smackinjuice said:

Ok maybe no DLC (i bought it during alpha so yeah...) but he could just make a few things and release it as an expansion.  we are NOT entitled to those; as it would be considered in context a separate game (but not really... but when you sign a contract for 1 game, expansions don't come with it).
I don't know about that.. I think alpha accounts are guaranteed expansions, as they are expansions of the game, not a separate game.  Alpha was guaranteed the game and all additional whatever that was released afterward for free (don't remember what the whatever was - additions? expansions?).  But a source would help.
Speak softly and carry a big stick.

#11

City Builder
  • Minecraft: CityBuilder

Posted 07 January 2011 - 03:54 AM

Bechorath said:

Smackinjuice said:

Ok maybe no DLC (i bought it during alpha so yeah...) but he could just make a few things and release it as an expansion.  we are NOT entitled to those; as it would be considered in context a separate game (but not really... but when you sign a contract for 1 game, expansions don't come with it).
I don't know about that.. I think alpha accounts are guaranteed expansions, as they are expansions of the game, not a separate game.  Alpha was guaranteed the game and all additional whatever that was released afterward for free (don't remember what the whatever was - additions? expansions?).  But a source would help.

From the way that I took it when we bought our copies of Alpha Minecraft and from what I've read in many threads about this subject, those with alpha ARE guaranteed all future expansions, sequels and content added to the game, basically everything is free for alpha purchasers, those that bought in at beta will have to pay for it if they want the new, expanded content.

While I would feel a bit let down if the gold version of minecraft only has a new mob for the water and maybe a new block, once the modding API is added in, and the game is gold, the modders can then really take off and give us some spectacular stuff since they won't be needing to update their mods so frequently as they were, assuming that our loving modders don't get bored of minecraft and wander away somewhere else.

My personal belief: Minecraft is a fluke in it's popularity (don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic game), and I think that Notch is not likely to see this kind of popularity with his next game too.  It's rare enough for an indie (or any developer really) to have a great hit on their hands, let alone 2 games that are great hits, however don't take that wrong, I hope for Notch's sake that he actually does produce another game that is as fun and entertaining as Minecraft is to me so that I've got something else to play.

After playing minecraft, I can barely even click the shortcuts to any of my other games as I get bored silly with their restrictions on what I can do in them.
Posted Image  Minecraft Schematics at: MCSchematics.com
-A community creating Minecraft (MCedit) Schematics .  Over 180,000 Members and thousands of schematics to download

#12

Vilborg
    Vilborg

    Ghast Hunter

  • Members
  • 2769 posts
  • Location: The PAIN FOREST

Posted 07 January 2011 - 03:57 AM

mnjiman said:

Way to take a post out of context.

K_Kinnison said:

If i were a mod, i would be destroying threads like a creeper at a hug-a-thon

Meddyan said:

That's right, this elevator is powered by MURDER and ANIMAL CRUELTY.

Denn said:

Manly blood is both highly acidic AND highly basic, but I'm glad to see you're paying attention.
Posted Image
Posted Image
Posted Image

#13

Satharis
    Satharis

    End Dweller

  • Members
  • 6541 posts
  • Location: California

Posted 07 January 2011 - 04:24 AM

I'm pretty sure atleast half the people replying in this thread are conspiracy theorists thinking Notch made his money and is gonna royally bone them now.

Also he never said he doesn't like mods, citation needed imo.
That one dragon coding thingy.

#14

riseoflegends
  • Minecraft: riseoflegends

Posted 07 January 2011 - 04:48 AM

Honestly, is there any evidence at all to suggest that Notch is losing enthusiasm for Minecraft other than all the people claiming that he is? If the Version History is any indication, Notch has been working furiously on this game, and really hasn't slowed down.

As for the topic at hand, I'm pretty sure Notch's words have been taken out of context. Read this part of the blog post again:

Notch said:

Since we’re releasing often and early, the actual release itself won’t contain any huge changes to the game compared to what it was like a week ago, but it represents a point of time where we go from “trying to finish a game” to “maintaining and expanding upon a game”.
What he means to say there, is that the "release" phase of Minecraft's development won't mark the end of Notch's work on Minecraft, but may actually mark a new beginning for added content and features to the game. At that point, Notch will have a stable base upon which to build an even bigger game than exists now.

I'm looking forward to the release.

#15

SergeDavid

Posted 07 January 2011 - 05:10 AM

Not seems to be a person who codes for the joy of building something for people to enjoy instead of focusing on the money. This reminds me of the unreal series with the mods and community keeping the game alive for many years after notch has finally did all he decided to do. As I see this, that will not happen before the end of this year.

Besides I'm sure there will at least be two more blocks.
Posted Image

#16

Gwydeon
    Gwydeon

    Zombie Killer

  • Members
  • 170 posts

Posted 07 January 2011 - 05:11 AM

So apparently this thread holds more credence than my version of a panic thread.

I don't know one way or the other that Notch is going, but his post now embracing mod support, after publicly stating he did NOT want mods is suspect.  Also More has happened (as stated above) with "the company" and the news, and sales, and the office than has appeared to happen in the game since the Halloween patch.  Do we remember how long ago that was? Hint 2 + months now.

Everything maybe fine, but this is signs of "bored and financially secure now, ready to do something else cause It's not like I can loose ALL my millions and NEW GAME"

Why the flip from No mods to mods ok/encouraged?

Why "focusing on new game"?

Note that notch has had a history of ditching other game companies.
Posted Image

#17

Satharis
    Satharis

    End Dweller

  • Members
  • 6541 posts
  • Location: California

Posted 07 January 2011 - 06:20 AM

There's so much wrong with your post i don't even know where to start.. i guess i'll start at the top.

Gwydeon said:

I don't know one way or the other that Notch is going, but his post now embracing mod support, after publicly stating he did NOT want mods is suspect.

Where did he ever say he doesn't like mods? The only post Notch made regarding this was on his blog, in which he said he doesn't like the current way mods are done, which is by overwriting his code with modified files. He stated long before that, that he wanted official mod support, an API we can use to mod the game without simply overwriting files and changing things in a broken sort of way.

Gwydeon said:

Also More has happened (as stated above) with "the company" and the news, and sales, and the office than has appeared to happen in the game since the Halloween patch.  Do we remember how long ago that was? Hint 2 + months now.

Personally i spent atleast a month just doing research/setup for my company, and that was before i even got into the paperwork, there's alot of work to do to set a business with employees up, all the whining forum folks just will never understand this unless they literally try it themselves. That said i think Notch is slowly working his way towards getting more content out, and i've criticized him many times before so don't shout "fanboy" or some nonsense like that.

Gwydeon said:

Everything maybe fine, but this is signs of "bored and financially secure now, ready to do something else cause It's not like I can loose ALL my millions and NEW GAME"

This is pure speculation, ontop of that it's not even good speculation, if Notch wanted to he quite honestly could have just retired as soon as this money all came in, people payed for the product at a point, with no legal documentation. It's completely stupid that people assume he just took all your money so that means he's not doing anything anymore.

Gwydeon said:

Note that notch has had a history of ditching other game companies.

Right, so if you get a job at Mcdonalds or something and quit to go somewhere else i should call you a failure and refuse to hire you because you 'ditched' the company, right. Give me a break.
That one dragon coding thingy.

#18

dylstew
    dylstew

    Stone Miner

  • Members
  • 91 posts

Posted 07 January 2011 - 06:29 AM

I am disappointed.... but hey,it's still a fun game and there's mods :iapprove:

#19

riseoflegends
  • Minecraft: riseoflegends

Posted 07 January 2011 - 06:36 AM

Gwydeon said:

So apparently this thread holds more credence than my version of a panic thread.
Sorry.

Quote

I don't know one way or the other that Notch is going, but his post now embracing mod support, after publicly stating he did NOT want mods is suspect.
I don't think Notch embracing mod support is necessarily any sign that he's about to call it quits. I'd think that he's adding that because:
a) he's seen how incredible mods can be, and has calculated that mod support will strengthen the overall game and          the Minecraft community at large.
:) a huge chunk of the community, if not the entire community really wants it.
c) it's just a good thing to have.

Quote

Also More has happened (as stated above) with "the company" and the news, and sales, and the office than has appeared to happen in the game since the Halloween patch.  Do we remember how long ago that was? Hint 2 + months now.
Once again, I'd like to cite the the changelog as evidence that while it may not appear that way, Notch is still hard at work on this game. It's just that most if not all of the work has been performance related, rather than adding any new features, and thus goes unnoticed by most of the community.

Plus, setting up a new company requires a ton of hard work. I'm actually surprised Notch was able to do that while working on Minecraft at the same time.

Quote

Why "focusing on new game"?
Notch didn't start Mojang just to create Minecraft, he started it to make games. It would be unfair to expect him to not work on anything else other than Minecraft. It would also be unfair to assume that Notch working on a new game would mean that he has to abandon Minecraft.

Quote

Note that notch has had a history of ditching other game companies.
Notch quit his job to follow his dream of starting his own company, and developing games himself. That's not what you call "ditching", pal.


Edit: Looks like Satharis beat me to the punch.

#20

Proyce
    Proyce

    Zombie Killer

  • Members
  • 157 posts

Posted 07 January 2011 - 06:55 AM

I have no clue what you mean, there are still patches coming the game is not really FINISHED, rather than just in the ending main stage
Posted Image