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Today in the Community - Jeb's "AMA", User-Made Mod Review, Notch's New Game & More


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#21

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 02:37 AM

mod review has inappropriate languages >,..,>
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:42 AM

Poor Jeb.  I hope he can get the main issues worked out so that he's free to exercise his creativity.

I'm a bit confused by his response to the question regarding transportation methods, but perhaps there was some kind of translation problem.

I'm very excited by Notch's game.  I'm glad to see that he's recovering from the immense pressure of Minecraft development (poor Jeb...) and is continuing to innovate.  One suggestion:  I'd name this new game "Deadspace".
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:33 AM

Finally! Confirmation of Ice returning to Silk Touch!!!!

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J: Yes, it's a bug. The reason it was removed was because the code that creates water after destroying an ice block doesn't know what removed the ice block. We need to make it so that silk touch removes the block without creating water.[/size]

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:51 AM

Someone needs to pay more attention when linking videos. I can't believe they posted a video where the reviewer cusses every other word. Slipping here and there is one thing, but this guy is worse than someone with Tourette's Syndrome.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 07:16 AM

Unless there's some heavy security put down on this new space game to deter hackers/scammers/glitch exploiters, I will not pay a monthly fee. Just keep it like minecraft with your own hosted servers if you want multiplayer...
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:31 AM

View PostKing Korihor, on 05 April 2012 - 01:23 AM, said:

I presume that you are referring to the "F-bomb" in the middle of the interview with Notch?  Perhaps you needed to be made aware that the audience for that interview was adult in a very adult context.  It wasn't a whole bunch of foul language, but there were some mature topics being discussed and perhaps some loose tongues that could have been kept under control a bit more... but it also the kind of talk that I've heard even in a professional workplace environment.  In other words, an adult conversation.  I'm not excusing the language or behavior, but it does happen and you need to be prepared for that kind of talk when it happens.

I believe Joe was talking about the mod review by TheGamersCave, which was in fact chock full of foul language. I'm an adult with no kids, so I wasn't necessarily offended or worried by it... but I did find it extremely puerile. To be blunt, it sounded like a young kid trying to be cool, which isn't really all that cool. Not everything has to be f'ing this and f'ing that. And we can do without the masturbation jokes. Not anywhere near an "adult conversation." Or at least not a mature one.

So I think Joe was completely justified in his complaint--that video was definitely not kid-friendly.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:00 PM

I just hope he has fixed the attention span problems. Because we dont want another minecraft right?. Where half ideas only get implemented and he gets bored and goes to something else which also only gets half assed in :S

We are in 2012 there is people who can fix you if you got attention span problems and being unable to focus.

I dont dare buy another alpha beta from Notch sorry to say. Because 1, he looses attention and focus, 2. he refuses to hire more people to then atleast do the work. I dont like it :S

Ill wait for the full final version which hopefully is a bit more (done) that Minecraft was in finale. im still waiting for the feature we were promised for Maps in Minecraft. Zooming in and out, copying them and so forth.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:12 PM

Mojang is doing a space game now? Weren't the terraria guys doing that a while ago? Is this like payback or something?
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:24 PM

View PostRMJ, on 05 April 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

I just hope he has fixed the attention span problems. Because we dont want another minecraft right?. Where half ideas only get implemented and he gets bored and goes to something else which also only gets half assed in :S

We are in 2012 there is people who can fix you if you got attention span problems and being unable to focus.

I dont dare buy another alpha beta from Notch sorry to say. Because 1, he looses attention and focus, 2. he refuses to hire more people to then atleast do the work. I dont like it :S

Ill wait for the full final version which hopefully is a bit more (done) that Minecraft was in finale. im still waiting for the feature we were promised for Maps in Minecraft. Zooming in and out, copying them and so forth.

Where was it said that Minecraft was at the finale? Minecraft is ongoing and eternal.
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View PostErcizilla2, on 05 April 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

Mojang is doing a space game now? Weren't the terraria guys doing that a while ago? Is this like payback or something?

One of the artists that worked on Terraria moved on to a space game.
I don't believe the others who worked on it have said what their next game is.

And there was going to be space content in Terraria before they deep sixed it.
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#30

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:30 PM

Monthly fee for this space game is not the best idea. Because he's using effectively assembly language for the computer programming which is supposed to be a large part of the game, it's only going to hit a very niche group of people.

User run dedicated servers like Minecraft, and strong modding capabilities really seem like the better way to build a lasting game.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 08:39 PM

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 02:26 AM

View PostKing Korihor, on 04 April 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

Expect that to be the first thing to get modded when it happens.  That said, if Mojang was able to set up a server farm of solid multiplayer action that had some competent moderators to boot griefers/trolls and added value (aka awesome content) and made people want to support such a server, I don't object to paying Mojang a monthly fee for something like that.

The reason I say mods are inevitable is that a game which encourages hacking and assembly level programming is bound to attract players who love to reverse engineer the game itself.  It would be better to work with them than against them.

As such, smallish communities getting together and running their own server shouldn't be discouraged, but the real "game" will take place on the main server operated by Mojang.  If that is the business model Mojang tries to offer, it would be a huge win for them (including regular predictable income) and it wouldn't put off people like you who either can't or won't pay that monthly fee.
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Notch's new game is most likely to be released in its Alpha and Beta stages for gamer support during its development.  I would imagine that at least during the Alpha stage there shouldn't be a monthly fee to help encourage said gamer support.  That is adequate time to get a feel for the basis of the game and have a better perception of how it is to be played and whether it will be worth some monies per month that aren't a certainty to happen.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 08:06 AM

View PostSuho1004, on 05 April 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:



I believe Joe was talking about the mod review by TheGamersCave, which was in fact chock full of foul language. I'm an adult with no kids, so I wasn't necessarily offended or worried by it... but I did find it extremely puerile. To be blunt, it sounded like a young kid trying to be cool, which isn't really all that cool. Not everything has to be f'ing this and f'ing that. And we can do without the masturbation jokes. Not anywhere near an "adult conversation." Or at least not a mature one.

So I think Joe was completely justified in his complaint--that video was definitely not kid-friendly.

I saw the other video that was linked first... and there was a single f-bomb.  After I wrote the post I saw the mod review (something I tend to skip as I can evaluate a mod on my own without the video most of the time) if only to see what the complaint was about.  I only made it about a quarter of the way through the video before I hit the big "X" and closed the window because I couldn't stand listening to that kind of language and immaturity.

I apologize for my previous remarks.  It was an awful video and something that is not worthy of being posted on the front page of this website.  If that reflects the standards that Curse has (none at all) and what they think of the people and Minecraft fans which use this site (also no feeling at all apparently),  perhaps it is time for me to simply move on and stop bothering to even pay attention to what is being said here.  Certainly I will pay less attention to the "News and Announcements" page any more, or at the very least insist that Curse or the moderators who work with this forum apologize for even posting that video and hopefully correct that so it is simply removed from the page entirely.

I agree, an occasional slip of the tongue is one thing, but this is unacceptable.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 08:31 AM

View PostSamsonguy920, on 07 April 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:


You should be careful with your perceptions if you want to sound you know what you are talking about.  Modding does not involve rewriting the main code of a game.  It merely changes the smaller statistics on the extensions that are available for anyone to peruse and modify(hence, mod).  Reverse engineering something that is not yours and is copyrighted is against the law.  If modding required that, then modding would be illegal.

I don't want to get this discussion side tracked, but reverse engineering is not illegal, particularly with something that is copyrighted.  Reverse engineering something that is patented may be illegal... if you then use the patented idea without permission but then again you have the patent you can compare the idea against.  There have been attempts by legislative bodies to make reverse engineering illegal, but they would also need to throw just about anybody who holds the title of engineer or even a software developer in prison if they were serous about enforcing any such laws.  Engineers study the works of others and usually think  "I can do that, but I think I can do that better".  The extent that some companies go to do reverse engineering of various kinds of products would amaze you, and I am simply telling you it happens on a routine basis in almost every engineering field.

And I should point out that I do know a thing or two about modding.  Don't get me started at that (or at least check out my sig if you don't believe me).  It isn't just about changing small statistics, even though "plug in additions" is part of modding.  Mods that replace major sections of software in a wholesale fashion like Optifine or that replace the data format like the 65k high world cubic chunk mod go quite far into the guts of the code and make substantive changes at very basic level of this game.  Yes, some people who make "mods" do merely introduce a new block or even just offer new recipes for stuff that is quite common.  But that is not the only thing that can be called a "mod".

If Mojang does not offer independent "local" servers, I promise that they will be developed somewhere by somebody... particularly with this game 0x10^c.  If they need to "reverse engineer" the protocols to get that done, it will be done because I've seen it done with other games.  The question isn't if Mojang can stop it, but if it will be visible to the world for them to keep track of what is happening and perhaps win over some of the players on those private servers, or if those servers will be forced underground as it were to work in the shadows and get involved with groups that would undermine Mojang.  

Notch has generally been quite open with his programming and is willing to let the world peek at what he is doing.  On top of that the mod community has a chance to even help out quite a bit with the early development work of this new game.  For example, I know of at least a dozen different compilers and about three or four operating systems that are under development, not to mention about a dozen emulators of this new DCPU-16 computer that have all been started this past week.  If Notch can leverage that kind of community support, he will be able to blow away companies like Electronic Arts or even Sony and produce a game that will be as big if not bigger than Minecraft.  THAT is a modding community which can either be his largest ally or worst enemy.  I'm just saying that the modding community could turn against him if he decides to be a prick.  I don't think that Notch is a prick though, so my mind is at ease at the moment.
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