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[TheLastTortoiseShell]

This is a pretty hot topic right now. I'm just kinda curious what everyone else thinks. I support marijuana's legalization for both medical and recreational use. Leave your opinion below.

[Travis]

I'm a libertarian. It should be legalized for both medical and personal use.

[Bonkify]

personally i dont think it should be legalized... ive had friends get messed up by doing marijuana...

[Gtex]

It should be legalized. Legalise it and stop funding a stupid war on this drug. Then tax it.
Anyway, almost everybody smoke weed in his life, so prohibition is a stupid way to go.

[PeligrosoBlanco]

Bonkify, on 20 February 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

personally i dont think it should be legalized... ive had friends get messed up by doing marijuana...

Isn't that the point? If I smoked something and it didn't mess me up I would have some words for my dealer

personally I'm pro everything, even the stuff I'd personally stay away from like meth and heroin. People should be able to decide for themselves what to do with their bodies, even if those decisions are poor ones. The moment you try and say 'I know better than you do about how you should live your life' you are stepping into some very dangerous territory. Lets stop spending money keeping crackheads in prison and start spending money on dare programs and stuff like that. Don't take away their right to make decisions, just teach them how to make informed decisions and how to accept responsibility for those decisions.

[Travis]

Gtex, on 20 February 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

It should be legalized. Legalise it and stop funding a stupid war on this drug. Then tax it.
Anyway, almost everybody smoke weed in his life, so prohibition is a stupid way to go.

PeligrosoBlanco, on 20 February 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

Isn't that the point? If I smoked something and it didn't mess me up I would have some words for my dealer

personally I'm pro everything, even the stuff I'd personally stay away from like meth and heroin. People should be able to decide for themselves what to do with their bodies, even if those decisions are poor ones. The moment you try and say 'I know better than you do about how you should live your life' you are stepping into some very dangerous territory. Lets stop spending money keeping crackheads in prison and start spending money on dare programs and stuff like that. Don't take away their right to make decisions, just teach them how to make informed decisions and how to accept responsibility for those decisions.

You're both geniuses.
Have some bacon.

[jasondude7116]

It is no one's business what I put in my body.
The drug war is just a way to cover things up. i.e. we can stop the Japanese and Nazis at the same time we are coming out of a serious depression AND we can send people to the freaking Moon, but this is just too "complex" to solve...yeah right.
All of the problems from drug running are because it is illegal. i.e. moon-shining, drug war.
All other "drug related crimes" come from idiots, not the drugs. A dude is gonna domestic abuse his wife because he is a punk, don't matter what kinda dope he's on.
Also....do not give in to the notion that there is something that must be conceded to the people in control of the pot in order to "make it right" i.e. "If they make it legal, they can make a lot of money by taxing it." My body and my mind are under MY jurisdiction. It is my inherent right only to be seceded by me.
The question of whether it should be legalized or not is a fallacy in itself. It is not my right to infringe on someone else's inherent right to be a FREE man/woman. This should not be a question of whether or not pot is legal, but a question of "JUST WHO ARE THESE BASTARDS THAT THINK THEY CAN CHOOSE THESE KINDS OF THINGS FOR ME?"
This is not my humble opinion, but rather a stand for justice! Long live freedom - Long live America!

[pwntpants]

It might as well be legal. Why shouldn't it? It's putting people in jail for victimless crimes. Taxes go towards prisoners. If we got rid of prohibition of drugs, there would be a lot of people let out and a lot less tax payer dollars will be wasted on people who didn't do anything to harm anyone else. If someone does drugs, try to rehabilitate them, not throw them in prison for it.

Also, it's not like as soon as drugs become legal, everyone's gonna go out and get high. The same people who do it now will do it after it's legal. The same people who don't do it now won't do it after it's legal. In fact, I bet numbers will go down because a lot of people probably smoke it just to be "a rebel" who doesn't follow the law. Well if it's legal they'll stop giving a fuck.

I'm sorry about the people who have lost friends and family to drugs, but making it illegal is wasting taxpayers' money and ultimately not preventing people who want to do it from doing it.

Plus, I'm sure we could throw tax on it once it's legal and make some good money... the US can take every penny it can get right now...

[Gtex]

jasondude7116, on 20 February 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

It is no one's business what I put in my body.
The drug war is just a way to cover things up. i.e. we can stop the Japanese and Nazis at the same time we are coming out of a serious depression AND we can send people to the freaking Moon, but this is just too "complex" to solve...yeah right.
All of the problems from drug running are because it is illegal. i.e. moon-shining, drug war.
All other "drug related crimes" come from idiots, not the drugs. A dude is gonna domestic abuse his wife because he is a punk, don't matter what kinda dope he's on.
Also....do not give in to the notion that there is something that must be conceded to the people in control of the pot in order to "make it right" i.e. "If they make it legal, they can make a lot of money by taxing it." My body and my mind are under MY jurisdiction. It is my inherent right only to be seceded by me.
The question of whether it should be legalized or not is a fallacy in itself. It is not my right to infringe on someone else's inherent right to be a FREE man/woman. This should not be a question of whether or not pot is legal, but a question of "JUST WHO ARE THESE BASTARDS THAT THINK THEY CAN CHOOSE THESE KINDS OF THINGS FOR ME?"
This is not my humble opinion, but rather a stand for justice! Long live freedom - Long live America!

Well, infortunatly, I cannot fully agree with you.
Some drug are really nasty shit, and I am not sure anyone can freely choose to be, for instance, a crack addict.
When you take your first heroine injection/..., you often cannot understand where you are going, and what you are really doing. Few realize that they will be enslaved like animals.
Usually, the drug addict are simply weakened by personnal difficulties (or other weaknesses, like being a child, a foreigner,..., and i think these people must be protected against themselves. OK, it sound bad, but if you promote an absolute freedom, then you should be able to sell your organs or to sell drug to any people in a situation of weakness ( "your mother/father/puppy died ? OK buddy, here is a gift for you, take that pills, see me if you want more").

(Sorry for the grammar error, that's hard to write in a foreign langage !)

[PeligrosoBlanco]

Gtex, on 20 February 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

When you take your first heroine injection/..., you often cannot understand where you are going, and what you are really doing. Few realize that they will be enslaved like animals.

And few actually are. I can't cite my sources, but Ive heard that less than 2% of people who try crack/cocaine actually become addicted to the point of homelessness and prostitution. Nearly everyone I know has tried coke and yet noone I know is a crackhead. I cant say the same for alcohol, but that is legal. I also have some friends who tried smack before and while it is significantly more dangerous, I still dont know any junkies. plus, while you can never really know 'where you are going, what you are doing' it is erroneous to assume that everyone tries drugs without any research. I always fully research anything I intend to try, and you CAN experiment safely.

Gtex, on 20 February 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

( "your mother/father/puppy died ? OK buddy, here is a gift for you, take that pills, see me if you want more").

this is another thing ive heard a thousand times in the media but never seen once. The whole 'first try is free' mentality is bullshit. What self respecting drug dealer is so bad at business that they insist on free samples? much more likely to be a good friend who offers something for free then a drug dealer.

[Gtex]

PeligrosoBlanco, on 20 February 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

... you CAN experiment safely.

Of course, but i think some people, at some time, can't.

I worked in an hospital (in Paris, France, so a pretty big city) and we had a ton of homeless/drug addict people, some of them said to me that they started as a teenager on hard drug, or after being fired,...
So I'm in favor of a legal weed, but when it come to other shit, i don't know. The true question here is almost philosophical : should our liberty be absolute ? At what risk level can you protect somebody against his will ?

PeligrosoBlanco, on 20 February 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

The whole 'first try is free' mentality is bullshit.

I learned something ! So it's a myth, thanks.

[PeligrosoBlanco]

Gtex, on 20 February 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

Of course, but i think some people, at some time, can't.
The true question here is almost philosophical : should our liberty be absolute ? At what risk level can you protect somebody against his will ?

Very well said. I've always said that absolute liberty would certainly bring the quality of life down. I guess I'd just rather see freedom than utopia. It's like Ben Franklin said; Those who would sacrifice liberty for saftey deserve neither. Bad things happen out there, but does that give us a good reason to strip us of our liberties? Its a tough question indeed.

[Geliraden]

I think everybody should be free to do as they please. Basically if you want to kill yourself, why should anybody except your family or loved ones even care? Why is it the problem of the police, the government or anybody else if you've had enough of life? Last I heard, eating a rock is very hazardous to your health, but that certainly isn't illegal, so why should ingesting any other substance be? As long as you don't hurt others around you, you should be free to do whatever the heck you want. If you do hurt others, willfully or not, you should be duly punished, no questions asked. At least that's what I'd consider a normal society.

[kude42]

There isn't one good reason to legalize. id you know, weed is proven to lower sperm count? They helpful component in weed is called THC. We're working on making man made THC. When that happens, there's no point in legal drugs. Abuse is abuse is abuse. For hundreds of years, the middle class went without using drugs. Why do we need them again? I've personally seen how messed up people on drugs are. Libertarians are just full of BS. Drugs sap away all your money, your health, and your friends. The war on drugs was never worthless. The government didn't legalize drugs for the hell of it. When you use them, you lose control of yourself. People get hurt. And no, cigarettes/alcohol shouldn't be legal either. But let's take baby steps first.

[Marx1984]

Wonder how many of you have actually smoked before...

[redted44]

kude42, on 21 February 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

There isn't one good reason to legalize. id you know, weed is proven to lower sperm count? They helpful component in weed is called THC. We're working on making man made THC. When that happens, there's no point in legal drugs. Abuse is abuse is abuse. For hundreds of years, the middle class went without using drugs. Why do we need them again? I've personally seen how messed up people on drugs are. Libertarians are just full of BS. Drugs sap away all your money, your health, and your friends. The war on drugs was never worthless. The government didn't legalize drugs for the hell of it. When you use them, you lose control of yourself. People get hurt. And no, cigarettes/alcohol shouldn't be legal either. But let's take baby steps first.

Why dont the make cigarettes illegal? They kill more people than pot does. And tell me, what "hundreds of years" are you talking about. Also, have you ever even smoked pot?

[SIRFROWNSALOT]

Oh god this bs again. Yes, yes for the thousandth time its the most unharmful and least addictive drug. The government could easily put taxes on the stuff and help stabalize the government. If any of this is new to you, have a cookie and a little bit more of knowledge in your head. The cookie is chocolate chip btw.

[PeligrosoBlanco]

kude42, on 21 February 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

There isn't one good reason to legalize.

How about letting people make their own choices? Or are you so god damn smart that you should be making decisions for everyone?

kude42, on 21 February 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

weed is proven to lower sperm count?

Show me a study. there is a TEMPORARY loss of testosterone, which the body can reproduce quite easily. I've never heard of someones sterility being cured by marijuana abstinence. It is shockingly easy to get pregnant, even if you are a heavy marijuana user. This is a useless argument. Let me know how much this matters when you have your first pregnancy scare. unless you are trying to conceive and you cannot, this is moot, because the sperm doesn't go away for good.

kude42, on 21 February 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

For hundreds of years, the middle class went without using drugs. Why do we need them again?

Humanity's love affair with drugs is THOUSANDS of years old. From the wine and mead drinkers of the iron age, to the lotus eaters and poppy eaters of ancient rome, to the methhead kamikaze pilots of WWII, we have always and will always love and use drugs, regardless of whatever the government at the time would have us do. Have you heard of the stoned ape theory? The things that made us harness sequential thought and creativity may well have been drugs.

kude42, on 21 February 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

Libertarians are just full of BS.

The way I see it, we are fairly consistent in our views. While the morality obsessed bible belters pick and choose their verses, and the socialist hippies embrace the hipocracy of benefiting from and condemning capitalism, we merely make decisions based on freedom. That is why we can say that the right is morally irresponsible and the left is fiscally irresponsible. If you dont see it our way, then feel free to say why. Dont just say that it is BS. Get a good argument first.

kude42, on 21 February 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

When you use them, you lose control of yourself. People get hurt.

Big fucking deal. You mentioned the middle class earlier, and how hundreds of years ago everything was fine. well, a hundred years ago if you were born stupid, or deformed, or lazy, you starved to death. If you couldn't figure out a way to make a living, you died. We had no government, and no hospital, and no welfare in place to protect those people who couldn't survive on their own. Its not my place to say whether that is better or worse than what we have now, but the fact of the matter is that shit happens. When you take all the atrocities in the world and use them as an excuse to suppress and control behavior, you dont end up turning drug users into clean respectful members of society, you turn them into criminals. Just because the occasional methhead goes nuts and does something deplorable, it does not give you a good excuse to use social control. Bad shit is gonna keep happening no matter what the govt does, and people are going to keep using drugs no matter what the govt does. The question you should ask is wether you are prepared to pay for the rehabilitation of these drug users. I am not, and most prison officals will not. It is why the sherriff of the biggest department in my state has publicly stated they will not pursue marijuana related crimes. Saveing people from THE DEVILS WEED! is not worth the price it puts on our taxpayers.

fiscally its the right thing to do.
morally its the right thing to do.

[AliStarr]

As you can see by this chart Weed is practically harmless. It is physically impossible to OD on, you can't get addicted to it. (People get addicted to the altered reality, not the actual substance)and it's better for you than cigarettes and alcohol.

Why is this still banned? And I also don't get why LSD is so hated. That's harmless compared to anything.

[RandNOM]

Legalized.

I think everyone should be allowed to do whatever they want with their body without government restraint.