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Posted 13 February 2012 - 06:37 PM

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TLDR Summary: Bamboo is an aesthetically pleasing plant with a wide variety of distinctive crafting recipes and materials unattainable by Reeds/Sugarcane. These items will provide fun new ways to build and play in Minecraft, which in turn would provide a unique reason for players to visit certain biomes to obtain this resource.


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Purpose:
Ever since Reeds became Sugar Cane I've been wondering if Mojang would ever add back reeds and make the two plants distinct in texture and function. However, I think many people would say that Reeds and Sugar Cane is already very similar in appearance and function that there wouldn't be a viable reason. My thought then was to add Bamboo to the game and make it unique by limiting it to specific biomes and giving it new crafting recipes. I believe Jeb or Notch mentioned that they wanted to create reasons for players to seek out specific biomes and adding bamboo would help that mechanism.

Counter Argument - Bamboo is too much like sugar cane

The main argument against Bamboo from what I have read is its similarity with Sugar cane. I think the fundamental issue though is that many plants like bamboo, sugar cane, reeds, papyrus, etc. are very similar and can be used interchangeably.  But in a game where one of the core goals is to build physical structures or creations, wouldn't it make sense to use bamboo, which among all the other similar plants is commonly used to create ridged structures? So aesthetics aside, bamboo offers crafting opportunities the other similar plants cannot offer. Rather than adding another wood block that acts exactly the same as every other wood block with a different texture, Bamboo would provide new building materials and wouldn’t have a standard set of “Construction” blocks (blocks, stairs, slabs). This makes it unique and gives a player a reason to seek out the biome it resides in to harvest it as a building material.


Bamboo Aesthetics and Virtues

I think of two scenarios one might find bamboo in a real life setting that really highlight the dynamic uses of Bamboo:

First instance; someone finds themselves stranded on a remote island and uses bamboo to make struts for a quick shelter to survive the night. It illustrates how useful bamboo is as a raw survival building resource; you would be lucky to have it in a survival scenario because it's a uniform material with numerous and essential applications.

The second instance is in a prestigious executive building or company who has a lobby with a water fall, rock garden, and planting boxes filled with green, uniform bamboo. Naturally growing bamboo is a very aesthetically pleasing plant to have in a building or landscape.
Many people, myself included, believe that Bamboo could become the Omnipotent Green resource for the world. Unlike traditional wood, it grows very rapidly in a variety of climates. It can be pressed into very dense, strong particle board without using harmful chemicals. A large focus of Minecraft is using different types of substances as building materials and bamboo fits really well along those lines.




Bamboo Game Mechanics:

Plant - Properties
  • Bamboo would be found in a specific biome (such as swamps, jungles, beaches, future biome, etc.) which gives those biomes an unique resource and therefore reason to visit
  • Generated naturally in small Bamboo grove clusters of 4 - 8 stalks of Bamboo
  • Solid block (unlike sugar cane). This presents an obstacale players must either destroy or walk around
  • Grows on dirt/grass without requiring water (unlike sugar cane)
  • Bamboo will require the same light levels to grow that most plants need
  • Bamboo is flammable just like trees
  • The appearance of bamboo will be 2 or 3 dark green stalks with yellow highlights at the segment joints and light green leaves along the stalks
  • Axe is the best tool for harvesting. Cutting at the base will break all blocks above it. However, bamboo will still grow if the base block is left uncut.
  • Harvesting yields "Bamboo" drops and a random chance of a "Bamboo Shoot" drops
  • Bamboo is replanted with a bamboo shoot, not by placing bamboo drops into the ground. Growing Bamboo from a shoot takes longer than growing from an existing bamboo that was cut tot he base block, encoruaging certian harvesting techniques
  • Bamboo can be placed directly into a clay pot similar to lucky bamboo
  • Bamboo cannot be placed in raw form like sugar cane can
Crafting Base Material - Bamboo Poles
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  • Similar to taking processed wood and turning it into "Sticks", placing two bamboo drops vertically on a crafting grid yields a  set quantity of "Bamboo Pole"
  • The quantity yielded from crafting will be adjusted to fit game balance as well as physical sense (a.k.a. based on the size of the bamboo and the bamboo poles, does it make physical sense that I get this many bamboo poles from this much bamboo?)
  • Bamboo poles look like a thick, yellow pole with light yellow/white segment joints.
  • Bamboo poles can be placed similarly to a fence. It will stand vertically and have a similar collision box. The difference is bamboo poles won't branch out to connect to adjacent blocks or poles, filling a niche other blocks with small collision boxes do not achieve
  • The small collision box combined with the inability to connect to adjacent blocks can be used to create windows that allow projectiles and small mobs through as well as many aesthetic designs.
  • Bamboo poles are flammable and will catch fire and burn.

Optional Mechanics -

  • When falling next to a bamboo pole (or more realistically a column of poles), you may hit shift to immediately slow your decent to the same speed you would normally climb down a ladder, which is to say non-lethal velocity (like a fireman pole). This would allow the creation of proper drop chutes without using water breaks or cobwebs


Three Core Crafting Recipes:

Crafting Utility Block - Bamboo Scaffolding
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  • The creation of a scaffolding block has been mentioned in many other posts, specifically in conjunction with bamboo here. I have recived permission from the author to modify the base idea
  • Scaffolding has two crafting methods; using 4 vines yields 2 scaffolding blocks while the other uses 2 string and yields 4 scaffolding blocks. This gives vines a crafting use in the game while making string the preferred construction method if you have access to string. Both crafting recipes yield identical scaffolding blocks.
  • Scaffolding can be broken apart by hand as quickly as dirt with a diamond shovel. This makes it very easy to break down when you're done using it.
  • It can be climbed from all vertical sides, similar to ladders
  • Scaffolding would be very vulnerable to fire and explosions; they would rop nothing if destroyed in either manner, which makes it ill-suited for a permenant building block
  • Using Bamboo as scaffolding is very realistic. See this image of Bamboo Scaffolding used on a real life skyscraper in Hong Kong from the Wikipedia article on Bamboo.
Crafting Trap Block - Punji Sticks
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  • Crafted  by placing 3 Bamboo poles in a horizontal row.
  • Can only be placed on dirt, gravel, and sand blocks
  • Used to create Punji pits to trap and kill mobs
  • Will not destroy drops or items on contact
  • Slow movement rate and deals constant rate of damage to players and mobs
  • Can only be placed on the top of the block
  • More versatile than Cactus, but not as versatile as the potentially planned Spike Block
Crafting Pyrotechnic Item - Bamboo Fireworks and Bamboo Flares
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  • Bamboo Fireworks would be crafted in the manner depicted above and yield 3 - 4 fireworks per crafting (adjustable for balance)
  • Bamboo Flares would be crafted similar to Bamboo Fireworks but with glow stone powder instead of dye
  • Bamboo Fireworks would be stack-able up to 16 based on color or type in the case of a Bamboo Flare
  • To light a Bamboo Firework, right click the top of a solid block to place it on the ground (like a bottle rocket, placing it on the ground before launching it). You can light the firework using a flint and steel or redstone signal in a similar manner to how TNT can be handled and lit
  • Punching a placed Bamboo Firework or Flare will create a drop (similar to how TNT now behaves)
  • Bamboo Fireworks can be placed from dispensers if there is a flat surface directly in front and below the dispensing face (in a similar manner that boats and mine carts can now be dispensed)
  • After ignition but before launch, there is a short delay, during which the Bamboo Firework  fizzles (in the same manner a TNT block will blink after being lit). After which, the firework launches into the air about 100 meters before erupting into particle and sound effects depending on the color of the Bamboo Firework (This mechanic would be similar to throwing and Ender eye; how it rises in the air with small particle effects, only faster, vertical, and with sound effects)
  • A  Bamboo Firework would ideally explode when impacting on another surface or block (like a platform above the launch site), but since the Ender Eye will pass through solid blocks and fireworks are likely to use a similar code, I expect fireworks will not clip solid objects as well
  • Bamboo Flares behave similarly to Bamboo Fireworks except when they launch, they ascend to only 50 meters or so before exploding into a temporary but bright light source that persists for a set duration of time (5 - 8 mins sounds reasonable)
  • Bamboo Fireworks have a variety of aesthetic and practical uses, including presentations (accompanied with block music perhaps), signaling for help, coordinating PvP games, disorienting and distracting players in a fight, and general non-grief related pyrotechnics (as opposed to TNT and Fire Charges)
  • The Bamboo Flare is much more utility oriented, providing momentary lighting in an dark open area
  • Bamboo Fireworks and Flares can be "turned off" by disabling particles to prevent client lag


Other Potential Crafting Recipes:
Note - Unlike the core recipes, these are more of "flavor ideas" to demonstrate the versatility of Bamboo. Some of them need further refinement or are too radical mechanically to add right away. All of these recipes take a back seat to the core materials, so don’t fret if there are a few you don’t care for.

Crafting Floor Block - Tatami Mats
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Crafting Pyrotechnic Item - Bamboo Smoke Bomb
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Crafting Utility Block - Deer Scare
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Crafting Food - Fish Shoot Stew
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Crafting Instrument - Pan Flute
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Reoccurring Suggestions:

Bamboo = Sticks | Using bamboo poles as a substitute for sticks in some or all crafting recipes

Status - Rejected

The idea of using bamboo poles as a substitute for sticks (like charcoal is a substitute for coal) adds nothing to the game. With the updated images, you can now see that bamboo poles are quite dissimilar from sticks physically.


Bamboo Tools/Weapons General | Creating Tools or Weapons using bamboo

Status - Rejected

Similar to making a copper tool, all it does is add a new tool/weapon with a modified durability. Adds nothing unique to the game other than a new durability tool. Unique or sensible weapon/tools are acceptable (Bamboo fishing pole, Bamboo bo staff, etc.)


Bamboo Spear | Using bamboo poles to create a spear

Status - Debating

Bamboo spear is iffy, that seems to me something that has been suggested before using hardwood sticks and could be made with bamboo. I suppose you could argue that a Bo staff could be a Quarter staff if made out of hardwood sticks, but that's a different issue. Also it depends on what you use as the spear head; either flint or the tool materials wood>stone>iron>gold>diamond. If it's just flint, then that's good because it's a unique weapon all to yourself. But if you're making the tool materials like other tools/swords, then it's probably not such a good idea.


Panda Mob | Pandas would spawn and feed near bamboo groves

Status - Willing to support if promotes Bamboo

Many people want Pandas in Minecraft and while I haven't seen any utility uses for them, I'd be willing to support their conclusion if it means Bamboo gets added to the game as a separate plant. According to the Mob Article in Minepedia, Dinnerbone is developing a Panda Mob, which could suggest a new biome with bamboo plants.




Totally Legit Celebrity Endorsement - Dick Van Dyke

Also, definitive proof that Bamboo = Profit, see all the money he got at the end?

Note: Despite Dick Van Dyke's suggestion, I do not support using bamboo poles and air plane yokes or as parasols



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Similar Threads You Should Consider Supporting:
Rice - Another plant based thread with similarities to Bamboo
Allocator Block - A block which can be used to create semi-automatic Bamboo farms
More Plants: Trees, Bushes, Gatherables - Proposes many other vegetation suggestions. Push for Cedar Trees!

Feedback and Follow:
That's all I have for my main points for Bamboo along with feasible crafting recipes/materials. I really need feedback and discussion in order to get this idea noticed by Mojang Developers so please reply with intelligent affirmation, comments, ideas, or issues below. Also please click the follow button above to receive updates as I'll be continuing to revise the OP and add new crafting recipes.
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 06:48 PM

Support.
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 06:50 PM

I belive it might fitt into the djungle biome. :)
Whats the rate of grown? Giant bambo can grow realy fast I belive I heard.

Whats the answer to this question?


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ChadGarion25
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 06:53 PM

View PostMetholus, on 13 February 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

I belive it might fitt into the djungle biome. Posted Image
Whats the rate of grown? Giant bambo can grow realy fast I belive I heard.

Bamboo is technically a grass, and grows nearly at the rate of grass. This is one of the fundamental reasons why many people are turning to bamboo as a much more renewable source of building materials in real life as opposed to trees.

In the game, I think it's growth rate should be longer than Sugar Cane yet faster than trees.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 08:45 PM

I support, even if only because I want a sugercane-esque thing that doesn't have to be in water. And while I don't want to get carried away,and off topic, if Cherry Blossoms are added, they could go in the same biome as bamboo.
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 08:52 PM

View PostFabianzzz, on 13 February 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

I support, even if only because I want a sugercane-esque thing that doesn't have to be in water. And while I don't want to get carried away,and off topic, if Cherry Blossoms are added, they could go in the same biome as bamboo.

Allowing for a little topic deviation; Cherry blossom trees traditionally occur in the same geographic locations as bamboo, but unless I'm mistaken their biomes in real life are very different. If both were added, I feel they would have to exist in separate biomes. Of course players can artificially cultivate them in the same area.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 08:58 PM

View PostChadGarion25, on 13 February 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Allowing for a little topic deviation; Cherry blossom trees traditionally occur in the same geographic locations as bamboo, but unless I'm mistaken their biomes in real life are very different. If both were added, I feel they would have to exist in separate biomes. Of course players can artificially cultivate them in the same area.
Ok, still towing the line of Bamboo, I guess that you are right. Anyways, if we put them in a biome, I think it might be swamps/jungles, something moist.
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 09:08 PM

View PostFabianzzz, on 13 February 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Ok, still towing the line of Bamboo, I guess that you are right. Anyways, if we put them in a biome, I think it might be swamps/jungles, something moist.

I agree, either in those biomes or on biomes that would border them.

Along that line I had a thought; Since climbable vines and large trees are currently the main theme of the jungle biome, adding impassible clumps of Bamboo would incentivise. players to make use of trees and vines to navigate around such obstacle.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 09:59 PM

I like. Can bamboo replace Sticks in some crafting recipes so that people don't have to chop down trees to make more picks?

I envision a mobile bamboo farm underground for fast production of stone/iron pickaxes when in the mines, far from home.

And for the tatami mats, how would one make these a different color? Could they have any other special effects?
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 10:38 PM

View Postartimies7, on 13 February 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

I like. Can bamboo replace Sticks in some crafting recipes so that people don't have to chop down trees to make more picks?

I envision a mobile bamboo farm underground for fast production of stone/iron pickaxes when in the mines, far from home.

And for the tatami mats, how would one make these a different color? Could they have any other special effects?

I'm hesitant to make Bamboo poles replace sticks for crafting tools. For one it may make bamboo too ubiquitous. Also, mechanically, you can't replace hardwood handles for semi-flexible bamboo. Perhaps for a fishing pole or sickle, but not something that needs withstand repeated hard blows like a pick, axe, or shovel.

As for the Tatami Mats, I only suggested they be made in two varieties (bamboo and reed) so that you could lay down a Bamboo Tatami Mat and a Reed Tatami Mat side by side and they wouldn't connect to each other, allowing you to create sectional patterns on a floor without a 1 block space. If we were to add dying or something it would be too similar to carpeting which we already essentially have via wool blocks.

I did have a few ideas for unique Tatami mats but I didn't mention them because they were wildly unfeasible. I'll mention them briefly here:
  • Reduce fall damage from a certain height
  • The sound of players or mobs walking on them is unique and distinctive, making it function like Nightingale Floors
  • "There is no pain in this Dojo!" While standing on Tatami Mats players may spar with each other without landing fatal blows
  • "Don't Disrespect Custom" walking on Tatami Mats with footwear invokes either more hostile mob spawns or a bad luck affect that lasts for 10 mins
  • Pet Mats, new pet AI would allow wolves or cats to rotate then curl up on the mat, especially if it's near a furnace or fire


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Posted 13 February 2012 - 10:56 PM

View PostxXCREPPER_SLAYAXx69, on 13 February 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

minecraft is eropein not japanese

That's a valid point, if a little bit blunt. To rephrase, you are stating the issue that Minecraft, in general, is based on a European ecosystem as apposed to an Asian ecosystm.

If we are going to play the indigenous flora/fauna game, then we can rule out sugar cane, coco beans (probably implemented in jungle trees), cactus, and giant spiders (which are probably more likely to be found in jungle areas). Also the process of making paper from Reeds is more Egyptian than European. Finally, to my knowledge, Tropical rain forests (Jungles) and vast Deserts aren't exactly abundant in Europe either.

So yes, Bamboo is a bit of a deviation from the general geographical tone, but I didn't buy Minecraft for a real world simulation of what I see in my back yard. I think we want it to be an exotic escape to places we don't see when we look away from our monitors. Besides, if a desert biome can exist within 100 meters of a frozen tundra biome, I think we can get away with dropping a few bamboo shoots in a continent they didn't originate in.

EDIT: The player who's post I responded to was apparently removed or banned. The reasoning and logic however still stands.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:59 AM

I don't think anything of this is essential to minecraft, but the reason I see for adding it is that there is no reason not to add it. Minecraft is about freedom, and should thus attempt to expand the borders of creativity as much as possible.

I support this.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 01:09 PM

Just had a thought.....bamboo grows in jungles in real life right? So, what eats bamboo? Panda's. What would be cool in a jungle if bamboo was introduced? I like Panda's......and this idea (yours i mean) i like. Support :)

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 01:46 PM

Dood, bamboo cleans EXTREMELY fast. In 2 months, an entire forest of bamboo grew around my friend's neighbor's house. (friend's neighbor's xD)

Make the speed faster and make it so bamboo grows naturally around one stack.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 04:54 PM

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 12:06 AM

View Postkicker174, on 14 February 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

Just had a thought.....bamboo grows in jungles in real life right? So, what eats bamboo? Panda's. What would be cool in a jungle if bamboo was introduced? I like Panda's......and this idea (yours i mean) i like. Support :)

Yes, Bamboo would make introducing Panda's to the game easier.

View PostSDIAN, on 14 February 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

Dood, bamboo cleans EXTREMELY fast. In 2 months, an entire forest of bamboo grew around my friend's neighbor's house. (friend's neighbor's xD)

Make the speed faster and make it so bamboo grows naturally around one stack.

I'm not so sure about that. I think Bamboo should grow slower than sugar cane so it's not as abundant. But I also think it should be naturally found in small clusters or groves, like sugar cane, so you can find small bamboo forests.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 01:21 AM

View PostChadGarion25, on 13 February 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

  • Reduce fall damage from a certain height
  • The sound of players or mobs walking on them is unique and distinctive, making it function like Nightingale Floors
  • "There is no pain in this Dojo!" While standing on Tatami Mats players may spar with each other without landing fatal blows
  • "Don't Disrespect Custom" walking on Tatami Mats with footwear invokes either more hostile mob spawns or a bad luck affect that lasts for 10 mins
  • Pet Mats, new pet AI would allow wolves or cats to rotate then curl up on the mat, especially if it's near a furnace or fire

Adding a block to the game that reduces fall damage that isn't water would be great. I also like the idea of pet mobs curling up on them - perhaps if there is a tatami mat around, when you sleep, the pet would too?

I don't like the idea of mobs spawning if you walk on them with footwear. I don't know what the custom is that that references, but I'm pretty sure it would get annoying to take armour off and then put it back on again all the time.

View PostChadGarion25, on 13 February 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

That's a valid point, if a little bit blunt. To rephrase, you are stating the issue that Minecraft, in general, is based on a European ecosystem as apposed to an Asian ecosystm.

He probably meant 'minecraft is western, not eastern' or something along those lines.

Not that I agree with him.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 03:07 AM

View PostSecondAttempt, on 16 February 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

Adding a block to the game that reduces fall damage that isn't water would be great. I also like the idea of pet mobs curling up on them - perhaps if there is a tatami mat around, when you sleep, the pet would too?

I don't like the idea of mobs spawning if you walk on them with footwear. I don't know what the custom is that that references, but I'm pretty sure it would get annoying to take armour off and then put it back on again all the time.

Yes, I think we sorely need some block that can act as a gravity break of some sort, like a fireman pole.... Well since I've established that bamboo poles are like fences except they don't branch out to nearby blocks, let's go ahead and add the property that your fall rate won't exceed the point at which you take damage as long as you hold shift or something.

As for the mats, I was referring to the general custom in some cultures of taking off your shoes before stepping inside. It was a wild suggestion and I don't intend to invest energy or brain power in promoting it.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 03:41 AM

Make it a mod, then Mojang is more likely too see it, I definitely support, and for those who think it's too Japanese, Minecraft is played worldwide.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 09:03 AM

It should spawn in a bamboo forest biome and should have bamboo leaf blocks.
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