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i dont like the bonemeal nerf

[quote name='Random_Guy_32' timestamp='1359131503' post='20542513']
[url="https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/294553763287556096"]Ahem[/url]. You know what a snapshot is, don't you?
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Yeah, and while it is a snapshot, they're stating that they don't like the change, though if you ask me, their complaint is done in a too much "passionate" way that can backfire their claims.

Yet I agree with them. Nerfing the bonemeal is not a good change.

[quote name='Random_Guy_32' timestamp='1359124874' post='20541119']
Mobs won't walk over rails anymore, except when they are trying to kill you.
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Wait, does this mean we can fence in animals with rails?

[quote name='Rellik55' timestamp='1359126249' post='20541394']
So I skipped a couple of pages, but after seeing something, I now support the Bonemeal nerf more.... Bonemeal can now be used by dispensers! thanks to more automation, I agree that nerfing it a bit is advisable, although the numbers aren't very well balanced. [img]http://static.minecraftforum.net//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img]
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Ah, so that's the reason for the change? Automated farming with bonemeal is now possible in vanilla? That changes things a bit. I just hope they don't think like the guys from GregTech.

[quote name='Random_Guy_32' timestamp='1359131503' post='20542513']
[url="https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/294553763287556096"]Ahem[/url]. You know what a snapshot is, don't you?
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You don't say, i know it's a test, i am just giving Mojang feedback.

[quote name='AntonioTheMiner' timestamp='1359133056' post='20542896']
You don't say, i know it's a test, i am just giving Mojang feedback. [img]http://static.minecraftforum.net//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img]
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Some people can give feedback without using caps-lock, curses and overexcited, bad comparisons.

[quote name='Dovakhan' timestamp='1359097387' post='20537409']
*cough*redstone lamps?*cough*

Seriously....
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No, I mean Light-Switch blocks, like the ones found in your REAL house, not Redstone Lamps, duh.

And spikes, we REALLY need spikes.

[quote name='MichealIkruhara' timestamp='1359126840' post='20541526']
You're a squid.
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Hmm... you seem familiar... I believe we met on LU Wiki?

[quote name='Random_Guy_32' timestamp='1359131503' post='20542513']
[url="https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/294553763287556096"]Ahem[/url]. You know what a snapshot is, don't you?
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Do you suggest you should wait till it's too late to complain?

[quote name='MasterM64' timestamp='1359131529' post='20542522']
The block still exists Robert. It was 44:6 and it's now 44:8 due to the new Quartz slab being added to take up the 44:7 spot. Hope this helps. [img]http://static.minecraftforum.net//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]
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If that many people want this block, maybe it should get an official, fixed ID?

[quote name='7eggert' timestamp='1359135918' post='20543614']
Do you suggest you should wait till it's too late to complain?

[b]No, I suggest giving constructive feedback, the type of feedback which is actually useful.[/b]

If that many people want this block, maybe it should get an official, fixed ID?

[b]It has, [i]44:8[/i].[/b]
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I think the best solution for the bonemeal change controversy is to link it to the difficulty settings, so that for crops for example:
  Peaceful = 1 bonemeal to full grown
  Easy = 2 bonemeal to full grown
  Normal = 4 bonemeal to full grown
  Hard = 7 bonemeal to full grown

[quote name='Shera1979' timestamp='1359137491' post='20544024']
I think the best solution for the bonemeal change controversy is to link it to the difficulty settings, so that for crops for example:
  Peaceful = 1 bonemeal to full grown
  Easy = 2 bonemeal to full grown
  Normal = 4 bonemeal to full grown
  Hard = 7 bonemeal to full grown
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exactly my thought, with that everyone will be happy

I don't care for bone meal , but the cows...

It's simply out of my mind why breeding is being nerfed when they just added magical blocks that interact with their surroundings , can apparently count , generate multiple signals and detect signal strenght with no explanation at all of how they do that. I don't think that cows are too OP compared with that.

My opinion on bonemeal:

Wheat should indeed take 2 or 3 applications to grow. This can be done by making the crop grow 2 stages per meal rather than one.

For trees, maybe 7-10 shorter growth stages hits the spot. Big mushrooms should have 5 stages since they don't grow by themselves. Grass growth may be given a random amount of plants spawned.

My opinion on bonemeal:

Wheat should indeed take 2 or 3 applications to grow. This can be done by making the crop grow 2 stages per meal rather than one.

For trees, maybe 7-10 shorter growth stages hits the spot. Big mushrooms should have 5 stages since they don't grow by themselves. Grass growth may be given a random amount of plants spawned.

EDIT: Whoops, accidentally posted three times, internet went mad... not intentional, that's for sure, and I don't seem to be able to be able to delete myself... sorry.

Bone meal nerf just means a lot more tedious clicking.
2 shots for a tree and 7 for wheat? [i]yeah that makes sense....[/i]

[indent=1]An actual nerf would only give 1 or to meal per bone, and somewhat less tedious clicking. (like 2 for wheat and 3-5 for a tree, 7 for 2x2 jungle)[/indent]

[indent=1]Or make it work like actual fertilizer- speeds up an area of growth, not give instant magical growth[/indent]

Dispensers can use it now!?
Not only did you add machine gun style tree farming, you upped the rate of fire. Well done *[i]claps slowly[/i]*


Mobs scared of minecart tracks?
[indent=1]This actually sounds like a good idea- until you think about it.[/indent]
[indent=1]-Guess I don't need a wall/fence to keep monsters out- I'll lay tracks around the perimeter.[/indent]
[indent=1]-Should I tunnel/bridge and do it properly? nah, on the ground through a dark forest and I'll be fine now.[/indent]
[indent=1]-At least it can boost the output of mob grinders.[/indent]
[indent=1]-And I'll be perfectly safe in abandoned mines.[/indent]
[indent=1]So how are we going to move animals long distance?- use wheat? [i]Try moving cows more than 100 blocks with wheat and see how friggin tedious that is![/i][/indent]

[indent=1]Seriously?[/indent]
[indent=1]Adding a feature which make little sense to solve a tiny problem that's been easy to fix* since tracks were added?[/indent]
[indent=1]([i]and in the process wreaks havoc with everything else?[/i])[/indent]

[indent=1]*Easily fixed by building your rails PROPERLY in the first place- using fence/bridges/tunnels ect to keep mobs out.[/indent]
[indent=1]-This wasn't even a problem to start with.[/indent]


[indent=1]Why not make them scared of a noisy minecart rattling towards them? THATS sensible![/indent]


In the mean time that API you hired dinnerbone still a WIP with no foreseeable due date since he missed the 1.3 deadline. Thanks for making modded life harder guys.

They should really make this an option but knowing them they won't...

I'm not onboard with the bonemeal thing; I realize it makes things pretty easy as it is, but if they really wanted to nerf it, why not reduce the number of bonemeal you get from a single bone, instead of increasing the number of times you have to do something repetetive?

I get the dispenser thing, so I'm sure some kind of adjustment would be appropriate. I just think that the problem might actually be solved with less frustration and user backlash if the number of bonemeal was reduced to 1 per bone instead of 3.

Not sure what the issue is. Plant enough wheat so you don't have to rely on Bonemeal or make multiple farms to cycle through.

I do like the dispencer changes.

[quote name='CGBX2' timestamp='1359154229' post='20548741']
Not sure what the issue is. Plant enough wheat so you don't have to rely on Bonemeal or make multiple farms to cycle through.

I do like the dispencer changes.
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The problem lies with initially getting enough wheat/seeds to keep yourself full for the growth cycle. Unless you get lucky finding a village, thats a lot of grass to punch.
The only time I've ever bothered with bonemeal is those first few nights to build up the initial stockpile.

I guess the nerf could actually say 'spend less time sleeping/cowering- go and fight our souped-up skeletons'
[indent=1]Along with a slightly higher bone drop for player kills.[/indent]

[indent=1](phrasing the nerf that way would get a better response)[/indent]

[quote name='celestialphoenix' timestamp='1359144188' post='20545622']Mobs scared of minecart tracks?
[indent=1]This actually sounds like a good idea- until you think about it.[/indent]
[indent=1]-Guess I don't need a wall/fence to keep monsters out- I'll lay tracks around the perimeter.[/indent]
[indent=1]-Should I tunnel/bridge and do it properly? nah, on the ground through a dark forest and I'll be fine now.[/indent]
[indent=1]-At least it can boost the output of mob grinders.[/indent]
[indent=1]-And I'll be perfectly safe in abandoned mines.[/indent]
[indent=1]So how are we going to move animals long distance?- use wheat? [i]Try moving cows more than 100 blocks with wheat and see how friggin tedious that is![/i][/indent]

[indent=1]Seriously?[/indent]
[indent=1]Adding a feature which make little sense to solve a tiny problem that's been easy to fix* since tracks were added?[/indent]
[indent=1]([i]and in the process wreaks havoc with everything else?[/i])[/indent]

[indent=1]*Easily fixed by building your rails PROPERLY in the first place- using fence/bridges/tunnels ect to keep mobs out.[/indent]
-This wasn't even a problem to start with.[/quote]

I agree, this is an unnecessary change.  On one hand, they want to make the game "harder" by having to click more times on a single block... how fun is that.  On the other hand, they want to make laying a minecart track mind numblingly easy now, with no considerations of mobs getting on the track, lighting the track, etc?  How do those two concepts jibe together?

Leave bonemeal alone, and leave the minecart tracks alone.  I don't even like the idea of mobs being scared of an inbound minecart.  If that's the case, that still eliminates the need to make your track mob-proof, since they'll never be near the track when it's actually being used.

Also, if mobs are scared of minecart tracks, you can't make fun contraptions where you send a TNT cart into a group of mobs to blow them to smithereens, if they will avoid the tracks at all costs.