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For me, the biggest appeal about larger boats is the idea of being able to actually build them, instead of a crafting recipe that only has nine units of space and basically makes the same thing every time. Of course, that's easier said than done, given the engine and how much the UGO team struggled getting their mod to work on it.

I picture the right kind of large boat as like an entity that doesn't use moving blocks, but an entity that can get bigger and more detailed if you right click on it with blocks, making it a shape that came from the player's own imagination.

Like I said, easier said than done. Minecraft is nasty about moving platforms.

Alright, I know I've dug myself something of a hole, and my position has changed significantly since I started this thread, but I'm going to make one last try at explaining myself, and reclaim my dignity.

First off, yes, I see the pun now, and that makes me feel pretty stupid. Good joke, Mojang. That softened the kind of air this post had for me. I don't see it as completely dulled down into nothingness, but when I look at it now, I get way less implications of spite out of it. I get why Mojang would feel very, very bitter at this point. (You know, like that sour man Notch.) I'm bitter that fishing farms are surrounded with such co-dependence from so many people right now. I'm bitter that anybody out there thinks old combat is better than 1.9 combat. I just live with it. I keep it to myself, and try not to abrase people who I think would differ. There's no point trying to bring up combat mechanics and convince somebody else that your opinion on the gameplay is right when obviously they've just made up their mind about how they feel already and 99% likely aren't going to change it just because of somebody 500 kilometers across the world from them on another PC. I don't normally get into those sorts of conversations, but here I don't really have a choice anymore.

In the beginning I was in shock, because it looked - just to me - like Mojang was trying to brush the community off once and for all. I thought they were being super rude. My sources that I cite are scattered about the place, and can look pretty frustrating to some, but are not proven or concrete, so I won't bother reeling them in again.They're just things like Searge saying Jappa's blocks look exactly the same and to "keep the blur, the blur tool you added on that second screenshot looked great." As I said, I don't believe in my theory any more. I've had friends in chatrooms talk me away from it, who calmed me down.

I know all about Jeb's Law. I can guarantee that I've been around longer than you, and know damn well that the community likes to complain for no reason. (The Adventure Update was the biggest one, and for reasons which I'll talk about soon.) The problem is not that, or how Mojang treats polls and PR nowadays. The problem is that there's an ongoing circlejerk within the Minecraft fandom that keeps on inflating and inflating, until everything is brought down to Reductio Ad Absurdum. Statements like "of course you hate parrots, no change can please you anymore" or the counterpoint "they can't add parrots because they do nothing!". Statements like "let the players play the game they way they want to play (I.E. don't nerf grinders)" count too. Look it up. It's a real argumentative fallacy.

I have a thesis called Edwardos' Law. But simply, I'll paste it.

In such ways, you can get people suggesting an entire conversion mod without hunger in it and people going "that's duuuuuuumb!" just because they literally aim to assemble a mod with a different playstyle. People forget that sometimes old things are better, not in all ways, but so help me, in SOME ways. I play Alpha a lot. Obviously we can never go back, it's too late, but the 90's First Person Shooter health kits that didn't stack back then were really nifty and charming. I'm not saying they should be in the game again, but I just... like that legacy feature. It's a lot cooler to me than sprinting and starvation.

Nostalgia's got roots in reality. People seek out older versions for a reason.

It's not exactly a pleasant conversation starter, but Edwardos' Law gets the point across. Some features are just straight up terrible, but have been in the game so long that where there was once justified resistance. (Have you checked the volume sliders lately? They think the Friendly Creatures slider should control blocks of dirt. Such annoying sound bugs have been in the game for years. Those are worth complaining about, therefore at least one complaint is valid now and then.)

Now we've got 70% of the demographic (again, not Mojang; the playerbase) trying to invalidate their opinion because a complaint opinion is clearly not a real one, so it shouldn't even be acknowledged{.} According to our flame wars we always get on these damn forums. Protecting the Minecraft Rose used to be a community thing. The rose was an iconic cornerstone of the game. It was revered and symbolic and always cherished in roleplay videos like Shadow of Israphel. (Yes, I've been there. Been there done all that, falling short of Infdev at the very earliest of experiences.) Mojang retconned it into a poppy, which in my opinion is completely redundant idea for a change and basically achieved nothing, and people were upset. Honestly? I agree with them being upset. That flower was an ensemble darkhorse. Whether just stupid meme or frequent decoration, people had emotional investment in that block, no matter how stupid anybody else thinks that sounds. You don't get it unless you were there in Beta while it was still IN Beta.

Nowadays, you can't even bring the rose up. People bring down the reductio ad absurdum hammer, and they bring it down hard. All because somebody wanted a less boring flower - one that was already there in the first place - to stay in the game. Honestly I think it's the poppy-advocates who are more petty here. What's better, changing things, or tradition? When changing something achieves nothing, tradition is typically the way to go.

You're just stuffing words in their mouths

I think you came off a little harsh there. The idea is to attack the argument, no? The irony here is how ad hominem that sounds for something that's meant to merely dismiss a notion rather than start flames. My post was all about the dangers of going ad hominem and telling people to shut up and stop whining, and here's this conversational gem.

You coulda said "I think you're putting words in their mouths" or even just "You're putting words in their mouth" but nope. "Stuffing". You're stuffing the words in there, Worldsshrugged. Quit stuffing. You probably see how the subtle difference between the two has a bit of, let's say, negative connotation to it? Just don't talk to me like that if it's not a heated argument yet. Because I didn't start a flame war, I started a debate. And my god was that a mistake. I've got a headache now. This was me being worried about a lot of factors I saw on Mojang's Twitter accounts over a period of time that seemed to build up and paint a picture for me that seemed ominous. I was merely concerned about what I explained in the top part of this comment in a paragraph above, even if I don't feel that way now. This wasn't a big deal until it left my head and was put to "paper".

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These complaints about how "Minecraft is ruined" sound like their from irrelevant kids.

You spelt "irreverent" wrong, among other things. Different word, Jimmy.

By the way, I'm 22. Have some malleable perspective, eh?

*ahem*

This was a real poll. It was about something they "asked the community to vote on" in the least democratic way possible. "Yes, absolutely", won by heaps, but of course it would if the other two options were the way they were. If they didn't want us choosing, why even bother making this stupid poll with condescending choices in it? They literally made this post out of a smug sense of humour.

And by the way, Mojang can put jokes in the changelogs. I'd just prefer they were, you know, good jokes. Bad jokes are, by definition, low quality and terrible.

I have more examples ready if you don't believe me yet.

I wish Mojang wasn't being so condescending lately. Saying "We've ruined the game again." is just bad. They're starting to create a culture that dismisses all complaints as coming from irreverent kids, no matter what context, even when it's a person with a lot of maturity saying why there's something actually wrong with a small or big part of the game. The attitude here is that everything the community says is bad is a statement that needs to be made fun of, and that nothing negative about the game is valid because "oh, that's just a whiny person who loves to complain, his opinion is completely irrational".

Heh, I found that bug too. It's pretty hilarious.

That one will most certainly be in the bug tracker. I found something similar in 1.1.

I got turtled.

I'm gonna be honest, this thread is confusing to me, I dropped the ball, and I have no idea what to say anymore.

I'm going to assume that "they, and only they, should be craftable" is a misleading phrase and that you are in fact aware of how I'm disabling like five recipes in the near future and nothing else.

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You can disable the vanilla datapack which will also disable all the vanilla recipes, then in your own datapack, add in all the recipes that you allow players to use.

No, I think all we need is for people to just diffrentiate, even if the word "Bedrock" does end up in brackets. But if this thread happened, we're clearly going to see more cases of people getting confused from their own shallow reading over the next six months. It'll happen in exactly the same way "after 1.9 it should be 2.0 not 1.10" kept happening.

I'm hoping they have a fast way to prevent players from using a minority of recipes... if we're not already able to define what they can't craft instead of the only things they can craft. Are we?

Somebody needs to clean Minecraft's terminology up, this issue we're having is more annoying than people saying "1.8" when they clearly mean "Beta 1.8".

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1.3?