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    posted a message on Bonemeal has been balanced now...
    Quote from cecilhowe

    When the ocean biomes first hit the scene I was obsessed with doing generated survivor islands. I definitely died of hunger on accident a dozen times, easy. And I also obsess with the music discs, I have never had a world when I've had all of them at one time. So I get pretty obnoxiously stupid/courageous when I'm hunting them. It has led to some horrible explosions, the loss of life, and ruining an entire base (including the food stock) on one of my more recent worlds.

    I love minecraft.
    And Bonemeal still does not change anything.
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    posted a message on Bonemeal has been balanced now...
    Quote from cecilhowe

    Nothing for me in that world, maybe. That one world, out of the infinite amount of worlds I have created in the past and may create in the future....
    You'll still be just fine. Never touch Bonemeal, and you'll still have ever-expanding stocks of Wheat, Potatoes, and Carrots after the first couple of in-game days.

    Not to mention I may get lazy because of all the food and forget to get more, and get into some trouble. Or a creeper could blow that chest up. All kinds of stuff could happen.
    I actually think that you are far too smart to make such a mistake as to, somehow, run out of food.

    Even if a Creeper does blow it up... whats two logs to make another chest?
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    posted a message on Bonemeal has been balanced now...
    Quote from cecilhowe

    It is relative to gameplay style. MublesMiner has said that he refuses to kill animals before he begins to breed them. I grow all my food naturally. Some players are minecraft vegetarians, some rely only on spider eyes and rotten flesh. The food situation is different per style. Its relative, and subject. Ergo, this debate is of opinions.
    And none of this renders Bonemeal OP because you're forcing restrictions upon yourself.

    In the same way, you can restrict yourself from using Bonemeal if you actually think that it will make a difference in how easy it is to get food. Don't force your restrictions on others.

    And, if I may remind you, you don't use Bonemeal to grow food, and, yet, your chests are still stuffed to the brim with food. Nerfing Bonemeal does nothing for you.
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    posted a message on Bonemeal has been balanced now...
    Realism is a horrible claim. Realism should not be a reason to nerf something, otherwise we would have thousands of people wanting to nerf every single aspect of Minecraft because it isn't realistic.

    Using one Bonemeal to grow a plant makes sense in Minecraft. It made sense for over a year.

    Quote from cecilhowe

    Both sides only have opinion to back up their claims. One side's opinion is that the nerf was bad because it harmed new spawns and or was an unnecessary change. A valid opinion. The other side enjoys the challenge it adds, another valid opinion.

    This is all opinion, and all evidence is speculative at best. People who support the nerf cannot quantify the difficulty it adds, and those who dislike the change cannot provide static proof that it harms new spawns, or was unnecessary.

    There is no hard data for either side to present.
    The hard data is present on the side of anti-nerf because the anti-nerf side knows that this adds no challenge whatsoever, because, unless you fail gathering 101, you'll always have more than enough to food to survive without Bonemeal. There is more than enough food sources in the overworld to render such a Bonemeal nerf pointless and, indeed, since they reduced it to 2-3 Bonemeal, there is still no difficulty added in surviving off of Bonemeal.

    I could get numbers to provide the abundance of food sources available to the player, but, since I'm sure you know how common food is, I don't find it necessary.
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    posted a message on Bonemeal has been balanced now...
    Unholy, there is a difference between adding something for-fun to the game, and nerfing something that wasn't actually causing problems for anyone but the diehard survival fans who think that surviving in Minecraft should be the end all challenge, and that food is somehow hard to get so Bonemeal makes it easier.

    I also do not want to use mods because Mojang makes a bad decision. I'd rather they fix the bad choice by being provided feedback, instead of me just giving in and saying that it's their game and they can change whatever the heck they want to without negative feedback.
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    posted a message on Bonemeal has been balanced now...
    Quote from UnholyD

    No need to be sarcastic...
    There is need to be sarcastic, because the nerf to Bonemeal was completely unneeded and the people who claim that Bonemeal was OP have no actual evidence to support their claim, other than their opinion.
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    posted a message on Bonemeal has been balanced now...
    Quote from UnholyD
    Where was I going with all this?
    I have no clue, because I'm sure I didn't say you did not need to make a farm of some sort.

    I said that you are practically forcing the player to plant a farm.
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    posted a message on Bonemeal has been balanced now...
    Quote from UnholyD

    The "device" created using an advanced Redstone system to instantly grow one patch of Wheat using Dispensers and harvesting said Wheat with a Piston that uses Hoppers to fill Chests so that you don't have to let the stuff grow while you do other things?
    I don't know about you, but I'd rather use my Redstone for other, more practical, and fun things than making a Wheat growing system that could only be operational with the new updates to Dispensers anyway. I like my Piston Doors, my Clock. my Compass, my Maps, and my Automated Defense Systems more.
    I said it was optional. You weren't forced to make it, and by no means was growing food with Bonemeal anything close to the best choice you could make.
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    posted a message on Bonemeal has been balanced now...
    Quote from UnholyD
    I don't know about you, but if you don't have a farm, you are pretty much the dumbest Minecraft player out there. Be it a Mushroom, Wheat, Melon, Carrot, Potato, Pumpkin, Skeleton, Zombie, Spider, Nether Wart, Cocoa Bean, or Passive Animal Farm you should have at LEAST 1.
    Ever heard of a Bread Maker?

    It practically is a farm, one that allows a player to live off of Bonemeal, instead of forcing them into planting fields.

    And it does, basically, require a Skeleton farm to work.
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    posted a message on Bonemeal has been balanced now...
    Quote from Kourebos
    I do understand and again, I agree. It is much easier to plant and forget crops than to kill skeletons with Bonemeal. That's why I don't get why people are complaining about the change to bonemeal.
    The reason I'm complaining is that the people who are saying that Bonemeal was OP and this balances it make no sense whatsoever.

    You, yourself, somehow believe that getting a piece of Bread per Bone is OP, when you'll have much better sources of food on day one.

    That, and this nerf forces everyone to make a farm to survive, instead of having the option to live off of Bonemeal.
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    posted a message on Bonemeal has been balanced now...
    It's too bad they even think a solution is needed to fix this nonexistent problem with Bonemeal.
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    posted a message on Bonemeal has been balanced now...
    Bonemeal was balanced before the nerf.

    Quote from Kourebos

    I think this is a great change to the game. Before now bonemeal was the most overpowered aspect of the game. Insta-growing crops meant that 1 bone could give you a whole loaf of bread.
    Oh boy.

    One loaf of bread.

    I'm set to go fight the Wither now.

    Quote from Kourebos

    Having a whole chest of food gives you the advantage of not having to farm constantly to get more. It allows you to spend significant time doing other projects and not farming every day. That is why people store food.
    This must make conventional farming OP. I've never had an empty food chest since the beginning of my latest world, and I've never used Bonemeal on crops.

    Nor do I waste time farming instead of building. That's because I'm not farming constantly. I'm occasionally stopping by my farms and harvesting/replanting when I remember to check on them.

    Getting a food supply isn't a big issue in any vanilla non-custom map, Bonemeal or no.

    It makes farming and collecting crops much more of a challenge and not just a trivial affair.
    You really do not understand how much easier it is to plant and forget rather than kill skeletons to constantly use Bonemeal on food.
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    posted a message on A way to craft better bonemeal
    An actual reasonable person would say that nerfing Bonemeal does not increase the time it takes to gather food, because food is abundant and you can get enough food to survive without Wheat for quite a while on your first day.

    An actual reasonable person would also say that nerfing Bonemeal slightly increases the delay until you've got a fully stocked Wheat farm, and then you go and use the rest of your Bonemeal on trees because food isn't an issue and having endless stacks of food won't do you any good when you've got barely any resources otherwise.
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    posted a message on Do you like the new way bonemeal works?
    Quote from rodabon

    Yes it has an impact on the bonemeal economy. Now peoples bonemeal supplies will last 2-3 times less as long, maybe more if holydragonknights numbers are correct. That's a big difference.
    2-3 times shorter? You're ignoring that Bones are pretty common normally, so you're still not going to run out if you actually grow crops with Bonemeal.

    And the tree nerf is just plain stupid.
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    posted a message on Do you like the new way bonemeal works?
    Quote from rodabon

    Other than it take 2-3 times more bonemeal than it used to. Nothing really wrong with that IMO.
    There was nothing really wrong with it taking one Bonemeal, and 2-3 versus 1 isn't that big of a difference to matter except for those times where you're actually almost out of Bones.
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