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To me, the majority of the complaints boil down to two things:

1- "It's not what I'm used to, so change it back". These posts come mainly from previous Xbox or java version players. Which is funny because they had no problem spending the time learning the "old way", but they don't want to spend the time learning the "new way". They think the old way is the "best" or "only" way to do things.... and woe be to anyone that wants to change it. If I see one more "... like the java version...." post I'm gonna hurl.

2- "I can't customize it like I'm used to". Minecraft is a very unique game in that players have taken the game to extreme customization levels compared to other games. Players think it's their game and it's their right to do whatever they want to with it. They complain about any restriction imposed on them, from the developer or the producer. And everything must be customizable for each individual. (Course, MC is not their game- it's Mojang's game, but they don't want to hear that.)

Back in the old days, when a game came out it wasn't a contest to see who would be the first to find and post a bug. Of course old games had bugs. We didn't care- we were too busy playing. Yes, times have changed- people seem to be more interested in finding bugs than actually playing the game. Instead of players, we've become whiners. Maybe because of the increased ease of forums and social media.

The forumula for any game is simply:
* Here's the rules.
* Here's the situation.
* Do the best you can.

Minecrafters are unique because they have taken all those things and threw them out the window. Don't like the rules- make up your own. Don't like the situation- change it. Think your "best" isn't effective enough- cheat. To heck with the way the developers want you to play the game- it's your game and you think you should be able to play it your way. The problem is Mojang has fostered this self-centeredness and now many MC players have become spoiled rotten.

If MC dies, it's because of the constant negativity.
Quit whining. Enjoy the game- as it is.

I had the same white screen problem.
I also had NVidia's own GeForce Experience show an all black screen, so I posted the problem on their forum.

Seems the last Windows Update changed the integrated graphics driver. Rolling back to the previous driver solved not only the Minecraft problem, but the GeForce Experience problem too.

Do that by going to Device Manager, expanding Display Adapters, right-clicking on your integrated graphics, selecting Properties, click on the Driver tab, then click on the Roll Back Driver button.

Your mileage may vary, but it worked like a charm for me.

If you're looking for a java server, you posted in the wrong forum.

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That's not true. I've been playing the Java edition for two years...that has coordinates, and doesn't consider it a cheat.. This isn't the java edition.
I've wanted to move to the Win10 edition, so I've been patiently waiting for it to ramp up. I periodically check in when a new update is announced.

No coords wouldn't be so bad if your spawn point updated to wherever you slept last. But that's probably not going to happen. Agreed, probably not.

How many people build a base at or near spawn point.... I do!!! For me a Compass is much more useful to find your way home than coordinates or maps are. (If I don't like my spawn point, I just create a new world.)

It appears that MJ wants to move Win10 in a completely different direction. Absolutely! Thank goodness! Oh well. As long as they don't mess with the Java edition, I'm good. I don't think you have anything to worry about.

"Achievements" are earned.

It's pretty simple to me:

You get to choose between getting Achievements or having Coordinates.

You can't have both. That's how this game is played, and how Mojang apparently intends for it to be played. Look in the game's Help under "Navigation"- coordinates are never mentioned.

The problem is using coordinates helps you get (some) Achievements, therefore they're considered "cheats".

You've done without coordinates for almost 2 years. I don't understand the fuss- it's not that big a deal. I never missed them. Coordinates maybe nice to have, but they're not needed to play the game.

That said, remember that BT isn't a final product. This is just the beginning with lots of updates, additions, and changes coming. They may change the cheat/coordinate thing in the future. Cross your fingers.

You should be on 1.1.5- It should've automatically updated.

And it should've automatically updated to 1.2. I'm playing it now.

If it didn't, open the Store and sign in if necessary (using the correct account!), click on the ". . ." at top right, click on "Downloads and Updates", then click on "Get Updates". 1.2 should download- if you're using the correct account.

Agreed.

I think it all boils down to money. I think the minority with the "keep it like it was in 2010" mindset want all the goodies they're used to to remain free. They really don't care if the java edition goes away or not, as long as resource packs, worlds, etc. of the Bedrock editions are free. The idea of paying even a few bucks (even if it's worth it) brings screams of Doom and Gloom to the "2010" crowd, but the "2017" crowd gets it and to them, that's "normal". I've seen hundreds of posts about the virtues of the java version and every one of them always play the Free Card.

Like new cars (or anything else nowadays), you want options, you have to pay for them. You have to for every other game, why do you think MC should be any different?
Cause Mojang has spoiled the 2010ers, that's why. It's all about getting free stuff.

The 2010ers have enjoyed the "old" MC and it's way of doing things for 7 years now, and still can for the foreseeable future. What's the problem? They should be rejoicing that "their" edition isn't going away and that "their" goodies will still be free. Why should they care what happens in the Bedrock editions?

Sorry guys, but it's 2017 now. (Some of) MC is changing, evolving- as it should.
So?

Now I'm really confused.

So it's ok to send all the Mojang people home so they can't mess with the (java) version any more, and just let the modders take over?

Or worse, let the java version go "open source", so member's of the "community" can fight among themselves about any changes "they" make to the game.

The main reason I am wary of the Better Together update is that I fear we may see changes to the core Minecraft development style, such as losing access to old versions.

I'm not sure what the "core Minecraft development style" is (?), but it sounds like people want Mojang to stop doing what they've been doing since Day One- updating (changing) the game. It also sounds like you're trying to discuss 2 completely different things at the same time. The BT versions have never been able to access old versions, only the java version can (so they can run their mods). In case you haven't heard, they'll be 2 different and incompatible Minecraft's. One will go one way, one the other. Neither affects the other, so I don't understand why the java people are "wary" of BTU.

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It's not comparable to Minecraft Beta. I am not complaining/worrying about the bugs. I'm complaining/worrying about the features, which are intended and will most likely stay. There are core features that will be changing or implemented in a different way. The purpose of the beta is to find and fix bugs, not to make major changes to the game.

Please look at what I mentioned I am scared about. I think then you will understand what I'm talking about.

None of this going back and forth matters.

The java-version lovers have their edition.

Everyone else has theirs.

Neither is compatible with the other, and they grow more different from each other almost daily.

Each edition has their own advantages and disadvantages, and each has their own set of features (some in common, some much different). Neither side will convince the other- the individual players will end up choosing for themselves which edition is "best" for them.

Lehjr is right on this point- it's just a game.

I don't think a lot of people realize that BTU is just the beginning. You may not recognize either edition a year from now!

Here's the thing, Minecraft is going on about 7 years old which is almost a generation in terms of its lifespan. For a game of its genre, there's nothing really holding it up other than the people who play it. Eventually, they will get bored no matter how great of an update they get, everything goes in cycles.

In the past two years alone, we got things like OverWatch, Paladins, and Fallout 4, Nier, Horizon Zero Dawn, and Nioh. Minecraft is a lego box with no real story to the game or any real goals to achieve. In a sense, those playing and creating content are what keep the game from going truly under, not the people making the updates.

What they would have to do to bring in a majority, though, would be to finally give in and release a modding API as well as shoving in the popular mods that many have been crying for for years such as Treecapitator, IndustrialCraft/BuildCraft, and something like Biomes o' Plenty/ExtraBiomesXL. This wouldn't be so bad, but not everyone wants to do technology stuff, hence why there were not added. It's up to the person that wants to customize their experience.

If that isn't the biggest reason, then another I could think of is terrain generation. If you've ever played the older versions, such as the Alphas or anything before Beta 1.7.9, then you would remember the random floating islands, oceans that were only a few blocks deep instead of tens of blocks, and the next continent being within sight of shore.

Clay used to be found above water on beaches, now you have to dig into the water to get them. I could list off a number of ways to improve the game, but sadly it will only be a temporary fix. If you want to keep the game from dying, then you would need to get people to play and create. How do you do that? Simple answer is that you must be the first to the party and last to leave. This means when you get an interest in something, it will spread outward in a domino fashion.

All I can say is. give it time. Addons are still VERY new and they are actively being worked on by Mojang to allow more and more things. Soon, we'll have everything that can possibly be added from Java/PC Edition and more. If we can get more of the Java/PC modders to work on addons, it would help. As stated before, don't expect everything in Java to make it's way into MCPE/Win10. Some things just aren't possible, whether it be caused by a java bug (BUDs and quasi-connectivity) or the simple limitation of our version having to run on smartphones.

In my opinion, saying "just use older versions" is effectively just saying to ignore the problem. Imagine if Mojang one day decided to go crazy and add a bunch of stupid stuff to the game that only made it fun for a select few, and everyone else hated it. Would you be fine if Mojang's reply was just "Use one of the older versions then!"? Even though you could just play a version that was fun to you, that didn't solve any problems. You got a workaround, but the issue persisted.

If Mojang was making the game right, there wouldn't be so many people stuck on older versions. I get that they can't please everybody, and they're going to lose people with every update. However, if updates are causing as much backlash as we are seeing, then they're clearly doing something wrong.

However, I'd like to point out again that I doubt Minecraft's survival depends on mods, or that stopping development so mods can catch up isn't going to do anything. The reason Bethesda stopped working on Morrowind wasn't because of modders; it was because they wanted to work on something new and better. If they were stuck on making patches and add-ons for Morrowind, they never would have gotten around to making other masterpieces like Oblivion and Skyrim. If Mojang stops working on updates, it shouldn't be for modding's sake, but it should be so they can make a much better game.

I agree there isn't as much of a market for that for the PC...however, if it was from an official source that would keep the pack up-to-date when new game versions came out don't you think people would be willing to pay for that....versus the alternative now of having to wait for your resource pack and mods to update? Additionally, if the pack was really easy to install there are a lot of less technical savvy people who would find that more attractive.

So there is a market there I believe, how much of one is hard to predict.

I agree that I bought Minecraft and played it for several years. Now I no longer play it due to serious security risks that I know of that could end up in account stealing that I have reported and the devs choose to ignore it. I also don't like Minecraft because I own many Steam spin-offs that are just better games. Many Minecraft Clones in Steam include the "Steam Workshop" which allows you to install mods with a few clicks of the mouse and as soon as the dev updates your mod, it gets updated automatically. Mods on these games auto-update and do not conflict and do not require downloading Winrar just to modify your files or have to be pretty much forced use forge which is another hassle. Steam is better; goodbye Minecraft. The devs ignore the community and are awful and I am finished. Goodbye

NOTE TO MODS: Steam is a gaming platform for thousands of games including nothing like Minecraft so please do not warn me for advertising as I am not naming any games and just referring to the gaming platform called Steam.

Let's just get this straight: Minecraft is dying. The thing is, Minecraft is not dead yet.

Everything in pop culture is separated into five stages of popularity: Inventors, Early Adopters, Early Majority, Late Majority, and Laggards. As it appears on Google trends, Minecraft entered the late majority stage in July 2013, when 1.6 was released and Mojang started selling tickets for MineCon. At the current rate of decline, Minecraft will enter the laggard stage around early 2019. At that point, people will still play the game, and there may be the occasional article about it, but it will have lost most of its relevancy, being something that will be forever remembered as changing gaming forever, but will be generally considered obsolete. Note that this is only an estimate, and something may happen to change the rate of decline;. however, it is highly unlikely that the game will ever exceed its previous popularity.

Now, you can't just fix this by updating the game with crazy ideas. Changing the game into--whatever it is you want it to be is an example of changing the game too much to the point it damages the game, similar to the 1.9 changes. Sure, I like 1.9 and it improved the game, but the fact remains that such a large change hurt the community more than it really helped it. In addition, updates can prolong the game's lifespan, but they can't increase it indefinitely. Updates can't and shouldn't change the entire game to make it completely fresh again. This is why I think a sequel is the best option, allowing for a complete rethink of the game.

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Yes, but most of those versions aren't developed by Mojang, either. All console versions, for instance, were developed by 4J Studios. Story Mode was developed by TellTale Games.

Now, it's true that Mojang themselves developed the MCPE, but keep in mind that, when a game already exists, most of the code has already been written. All you need to do is port it, which is far less work than writing the entire thing from scratch. And by "scratch" I obviously don't mean every single line of code. There's even code from Morrowind found in Fallout 4, that's not the point. But you have to write far more code when you develop a sequel to a game, than when you simply port it.

The pocket edition is written in C++, a language that consoles of today, like the Xbox One, are compatible with. Mojang could have written the console versions, but they wanted to divide the workload. In addition, the main difficulty in porting is porting between languages, not platforms. With cross-version APIs available, it's easy to make an application run on Windows that will also run on an Xbox, for instance. However, because Java uses different keywords than C++, you can't just copy the code between versions. So, in a way, the C-based versions can be considered written from scratch.

The core point here still stands, either way. When you move a team over from one project to another, that costs something. Mojang can't do everything at once. They were able to develop the MCPE because they had already competed the development of Minecraft. Right now, all they're doing are adding new content (something that Jeb may, for all we know, be doing largely on his own).

And yes, if the devs at Mojang are fluent in other languages than Java, then that's obviously a moot point. But you can't just generally assume that devs know other languages. And learning a new language takes time and distracts from the main task.

The size or prestige of Mojang is irrelevant to my principal point, which is that there's higher costs involved in moving onto a new project.

Where the source of that info? and who's developing it?

You still need to rewrite tons of code, when you make a new game - regardless of whether it's an all-new IP, a sequel or a remake or reboot.

Yes, you can:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/lx5g3/complete_list_of_minecraft_clones/

I know, bad workaround and I agree that a sequel, especially one written in C++ or C# (either with it's own engine or using Unity/UE, preferably a post-Vulkan version of them) would be a good thing.

But we gotta stay realistic. And right now there's no reason for them to develop a sequel, for plenty of reasons:

1. Minecraft has never been as popular as today. As alluded to, it's got about 30 million players and growing.

2. Whether you call the game Minecraft 2.0 or Minecraft 1.20.1 is arbitrary (although separating the two versions can be a good thing)

3. Most of what a sequel would contain, already exists in the form of mods. Have you tried using some of them? (I know, you shouldn't have to, I agree)

4. The aesthetics of Minecraft, while crude and "outdated" to some, is the very reason why a lot of people play it.

5. A lot of the slowness of Minecraft isn't due to Java, but rather due to it being procedurally generated. You can't cache too much data at once.

6. Playing any game for too long is always going to get you fed up. That's why veterans are a poor representation of "what players want".

7. When a sequel does come out, there's no guarantee that you, as a veteran, will be satisfied by it. There's always a huge risk involved.

Don't get me wrong, a sequel would never happen if people like yourself never voiced your opinions. But personally, I'm just very sceptical of a sequel happening any time soon. That's all. Would be nice to see a fresh new start, but right now I prefer if they just keep making the most out of the existing game, because there's still plenty of untapped potential in this game.

Well there are mainly two reasons why we never get updates.

1. Mojang are indeed lazy, but you would be too if you could sit on your butt and still make tons of money. Minecraft is so successful that they've just been coasting on its success lately.

2. Every time they release an update the community whines and complains about it, blaming it for their own personal lag issues and hating on all the new features. Plus after Bukkitgate it has been shown that the Minecraft community's modders can't even keep up with Mojang. Most modded servers up until very recently were outdated. A lot of them still are. Basically the community does not appreciate updates, every time there is an update Mojang hears nothing but whining from the vast majority of y'all. I'd like to see more updates too but it won't happen because our community is so bad.