Should updates be required? I payed 10 Euros for this game, and now the only part of the game that I play is broken. I didn't want to update, but it does it automatically. (DON'T say things like go play SP NUB, because I payed for the game, and I get to choose what I want to play). Even if he gives a disclaimer saying that multiplayer is glitchy, I don't think it's ethical for Notch or any other game developer to REQUIRE mandatory updates if those updates will break the game.
Should updates be required? I payed 10 Euros for this game, and now the only part of the game that I play is broken. I didn't want to update, but it does it automatically. (DON'T say things like go play SP NUB, because I payed for the game, and I get to choose what I want to play). Even if he gives a disclaimer saying that multiplayer is glitchy, I don't think it's ethical for Notch or any other game developer to REQUIRE mandatory updates if those updates will break the game.
Actually, you paid for the rights to play an early version of the game, at a discounted rate even.... You know what Alpha and Beta mean in the digital world, yeah?
We are the testers, so it's not a matter of ethics, it's a matter of him releasing the latest version for the world of testers to have at so they can start getting bug reports from enough sources.
TBH, I am able to play on my multi server just fine since 01... so if you are unhappy with the current beta, then just wait until the game is gold and you can download that version... Omit your 'right' as a early-payer to play a development version of a work in progress...
Should updates be required? I payed 10 Euros for this game, and now the only part of the game that I play is broken. I didn't want to update, but it does it automatically. (DON'T say things like go play SP NUB, because I payed for the game, and I get to choose what I want to play). Even if he gives a disclaimer saying that multiplayer is glitchy, I don't think it's ethical for Notch or any other game developer to REQUIRE mandatory updates if those updates will break the game.
Actually, you paid for the rights to play an early version of the game, at a discounted rate even.... You know what Alpha and Beta mean in the digital world, yeah?
We are the testers, so it's not a matter of ethics, it's a matter of him releasing the latest version for the world of testers to have at so they can start getting bug reports from enough sources.
TBH, I am able to play on my multi server just fine since 01... so if you are unhappy with the current beta, then just wait until the game is gold and you can download that version... Omit your 'right' as a early-payer to play a development version of a work in progress...
Yes, I am a tester, but I PAID to be a tester. Not only that, I payed for a product. Because of that, I have some expectations. Like, I can expect the game to work. I paid for a playable game, not one that the developer will break without the tester getting any say-so. If you pay for a product, the product better work. Sure, Minecraft just entered beta, but I paid for a version that worked, and I don't want that taken away for me. I paid for it, so I should get it.
Updates should be optional, and roll-back-able, end of story.
Yes, I am a tester, but I PAID to be a tester. Not only that, I payed for a product. Because of that, I have some expectations. Like, I can expect the game to work. I paid for a playable game, not one that the developer will break without the tester getting any say-so. If you pay for a product, the product better work. Sure, Minecraft just entered beta, but I paid for a version that worked, and I don't want that taken away for me. I paid for it, so I should get it.
Updates should be optional, and roll-back-able, end of story.
1. You paid half the price of a game that isn't released yet.
2. The game works, just not bug free yet, IT ISNT RELEASED YET.
3. IT ISNT FLIPPING RELEASED YET!!!!
Im assuming you've played quite a bit of this game so far online with your friends, for $10 do you think you've gotten more enjoyment and entertainment out of it than you might have gotten for a movie at a theater? Stop being such a drama queen about it and realize that the game is progressing and getting better! BIG DEAL that you've gone a day without your precious server being able to be used. Id suggest that if thats a bit too hard for you to deal with, you crawl back to your mothers warm supple busom and cuddle up for a while, child.
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Yes, I am a tester, but I PAID to be a tester. Not only that, I payed for a product. Because of that, I have some expectations. Like, I can expect the game to work. I paid for a playable game, not one that the developer will break without the tester getting any say-so. If you pay for a product, the product better work. Sure, Minecraft just entered beta, but I paid for a version that worked, and I don't want that taken away for me. I paid for it, so I should get it.
Updates should be optional, and roll-back-able, end of story.
1. You paid half the price of a game that isn't released yet.
2. The game works, just not bug free yet, IT ISNT RELEASED YET.
3. IT ISNT FLIPPING RELEASED YET!!!!
Im assuming you've played quite a bit of this game so far online with your friends, for $10 do you think you've gotten more enjoyment and entertainment out of it than you might have gotten for a movie at a theater? Stop being such a drama queen about it and realize that the game is progressing and getting better! BIG DEAL that you've gone a day without your precious server being able to be used. Id suggest that if thats a bit too hard for you to deal with, you crawl back to your mothers warm supple busom and cuddle up for a while, child.
Maturity. Heard of it?
Why don't you stop kissing Notch's ass? Maybe think for yourself a bit? Have you ever seen any other beta/alpha for a game? In the beta and alpha, MOST if not ALL of the features are implemented. Yet Notch is adding stuff bit by bit. It's a slow, glitchy, badly programmed game that's grabbed everyone's attention because it's fun. Yet there's so much potential that it doesn't live up to, and I don't think it ever will. He claims there will be many modes, yet in the beta, in which most features are supposed to be implemented, we are yet to see any of these. He seems to be against the community. He's against modding the game, even if it adds features that he neglected or new things that make the game more fun (and I mean, really, this game is a giant sandbox with no point or goal; it gets boring unless there are different things to do once in a while).
Let me give an example to get this idea through your thick skull. You buy a phone from a new phone provider. You've had it for 2 months, and it's worked just fine, and you like it. Suddenly, without warning or any choice, the phone is updated and you are unable to call or text anyone. You're still paying for a useless phone. Nowhere in the contract or terms and conditions did it say they were allowed to update or break your phone without your permission. This update is not required to operate with their phone towers, they just updated because it was part of their new campaign.
I don't care if it's a BIG DEAL, it's morally and legally wrong. (and yes, it's released. it's released to millions of people, in case you haven't noticed)
Yes, I am a tester, but I PAID to be a tester. Not only that, I payed for a product. Because of that, I have some expectations. Like, I can expect the game to work. I paid for a playable game, not one that the developer will break without the tester getting any say-so. If you pay for a product, the product better work. Sure, Minecraft just entered beta, but I paid for a version that worked, and I don't want that taken away for me. I paid for it, so I should get it.
Updates should be optional, and roll-back-able, end of story.
1. You paid half the price of a game that isn't released yet.
2. The game works, just not bug free yet, IT ISNT RELEASED YET.
3. IT ISNT FLIPPING RELEASED YET!!!!
Im assuming you've played quite a bit of this game so far online with your friends, for $10 do you think you've gotten more enjoyment and entertainment out of it than you might have gotten for a movie at a theater? Stop being such a drama queen about it and realize that the game is progressing and getting better! BIG DEAL that you've gone a day without your precious server being able to be used. Id suggest that if thats a bit too hard for you to deal with, you crawl back to your mothers warm supple busom and cuddle up for a while, child.
Maturity. Heard of it?
Why don't you stop kissing Notch's ass? Maybe think for yourself a bit? Have you ever seen any other beta/alpha for a game? In the beta and alpha, MOST if not ALL of the features are implemented. Yet Notch is adding stuff bit by bit. It's a slow, glitchy, badly programmed game that's grabbed everyone's attention because it's fun. Yet there's so much potential that it doesn't live up to, and I don't think it ever will. He claims there will be many modes, yet in the beta, in which most features are supposed to be implemented, we are yet to see any of these. He seems to be against the community. He's against modding the game, even if it adds features that he neglected or new things that make the game more fun (and I mean, really, this game is a giant sandbox with no point or goal; it gets boring unless there are different things to do once in a while).
Let me give an example to get this idea through your thick skull. You buy a phone from a new phone provider. You've had it for 2 months, and it's worked just fine, and you like it. Suddenly, without warning or any choice, the phone is updated and you are unable to call or text anyone. You're still paying for a useless phone. Nowhere in the contract or terms and conditions did it say they were allowed to update or break your phone without your permission. This update is not required to operate with their phone towers, they just updated because it was part of their new campaign.
I don't care if it's a BIG DEAL, it's morally and legally wrong. (and yes, it's released. it's released to millions of people, in case you haven't noticed)
This is a indie game if you haven't noticed. Get that idea through your thick skull.
Edit: My point being: the "other beta/alpha" games you refer to are probably developed by a large company. This game is being developed by primarily one man. Give the man a break. If you knew absolutely anything of coding you would know how easily something can break.
I do know quite a bit of coding, thank you very much for making assumptions about my past. I DO know how easily something can break. This is why the updates should be friggin OPTIONAL!! Get it?
I do know quite a bit of coding, thank you very much for making assumptions about my past. I DO know how easily something can break. This is why the updates should be friggin OPTIONAL!! Get it?
If they were optional, Notch wouldn't have as many people as he does giving him feedback. More feedback = quicker fixes, quicker fixes = more content dev time, more content dev time = golden quicker.
Also, this is an online game with servers that need a specific client version to connect to it due to hooks etc. You don't want to see "Server X ( ver A 1.26.2) now accepting players" now do you? Having to match up client versions.
Just be happy that your even able to play this amazing game in it's alpha/beta stages. You should have known what you were getting into when you payed.
I do know quite a bit of coding, thank you very much for making assumptions about my past. I DO know how easily something can break. This is why the updates should be friggin OPTIONAL!! Get it?
If they were optional, Notch wouldn't have as many people as he does giving him feedback. More feedback = quicker fixes, quicker fixes = more content dev time, more content dev time = golden quicker.
Also, this is an online game with servers that need a specific client version to connect to it due to hooks etc. You don't want to see "Server X ( ver A 1.26.2) now accepting players" now do you? Having to match up client versions.
Just be happy that your even able to play this amazing game in it's alpha/beta stages. You should have known what you were getting into when you payed.
/sigh
He has millions of people. He has enough people to give him feedback. If 1% of those people were to test the next patch every time it came out, he would have tens of thousands of people (might be hundreds of thousands, I think Minecraft is at the 10 million point now).
I think matching up the client and server versions is perfectly fine. It's a small game, it doesn't matter to have multiple versions.
As to "I should have known what I was getting into". Yes, I read the terms and conditions, it didn't say there would be mandatory updates that would break the game. No, this isn't a terribly big deal, but it is, I believe, illegal and morally wrong.
There is no point to continue this really. 1 in about 1000 will agree with you and tbh you both are wrong.
You paid to be a tester -end of story-
With that in order to "test" new updates will be put out and a lot of which will break other code and cause more issues. IT sucks but we did pay to be testers, we didn't pay for a final release
He has millions of people. He has enough people to give him feedback. If 1% of those people were to test the next patch every time it came out, he would have tens of thousands of people (might be hundreds of thousands, I think Minecraft is at the 10 million point now).
I think matching up the client and server versions is perfectly fine. It's a small game, it doesn't matter to have multiple versions.
As to "I should have known what I was getting into". Yes, I read the terms and conditions, it didn't say there would be mandatory updates that would break the game. No, this isn't a terribly big deal, but it is, I believe, illegal and morally wrong.
First, you can downgrade to Alpha as long as you made a backup of your bin folder. Simply replace everything except the version file with the backup and you can play, including alpha servers.
Second, Minecraft has been purchased ~850,000 times not 10 million.
Seriously you realize like most modern games FORCE updates on their games? Whoop dee doo it has a bug that inhibits some players from playing on the multiplayer (me included thats why im on this forum section looking for possible fixes and answers).
Its obviously stated just like you acknowledged that multiplayer is buggy (meaning there will be problems if this isnt clear)
No point in posting any further since your obviously either a troll or just silly. Also you have no legal rights to this game, if he decided to shut down mincecraft.com and laugh at all the money he has he has the legal right to lol.
PS: **** happens get over it, I'm annoyed too but it will be patched and fixed soon enough, if you dont have anything else to do in the mean time make some nifty friends to hang out with.
Actually, you paid for the rights to play an early version of the game, at a discounted rate even.... You know what Alpha and Beta mean in the digital world, yeah?
We are the testers, so it's not a matter of ethics, it's a matter of him releasing the latest version for the world of testers to have at so they can start getting bug reports from enough sources.
TBH, I am able to play on my multi server just fine since 01... so if you are unhappy with the current beta, then just wait until the game is gold and you can download that version... Omit your 'right' as a early-payer to play a development version of a work in progress...
Lulz
Yes, I am a tester, but I PAID to be a tester. Not only that, I payed for a product. Because of that, I have some expectations. Like, I can expect the game to work. I paid for a playable game, not one that the developer will break without the tester getting any say-so. If you pay for a product, the product better work. Sure, Minecraft just entered beta, but I paid for a version that worked, and I don't want that taken away for me. I paid for it, so I should get it.
Updates should be optional, and roll-back-able, end of story.
1. You paid half the price of a game that isn't released yet.
2. The game works, just not bug free yet, IT ISNT RELEASED YET.
3. IT ISNT FLIPPING RELEASED YET!!!!
Im assuming you've played quite a bit of this game so far online with your friends, for $10 do you think you've gotten more enjoyment and entertainment out of it than you might have gotten for a movie at a theater? Stop being such a drama queen about it and realize that the game is progressing and getting better! BIG DEAL that you've gone a day without your precious server being able to be used. Id suggest that if thats a bit too hard for you to deal with, you crawl back to your mothers warm supple busom and cuddle up for a while, child.
Maturity. Heard of it?
Why don't you stop kissing Notch's ass? Maybe think for yourself a bit? Have you ever seen any other beta/alpha for a game? In the beta and alpha, MOST if not ALL of the features are implemented. Yet Notch is adding stuff bit by bit. It's a slow, glitchy, badly programmed game that's grabbed everyone's attention because it's fun. Yet there's so much potential that it doesn't live up to, and I don't think it ever will. He claims there will be many modes, yet in the beta, in which most features are supposed to be implemented, we are yet to see any of these. He seems to be against the community. He's against modding the game, even if it adds features that he neglected or new things that make the game more fun (and I mean, really, this game is a giant sandbox with no point or goal; it gets boring unless there are different things to do once in a while).
Let me give an example to get this idea through your thick skull. You buy a phone from a new phone provider. You've had it for 2 months, and it's worked just fine, and you like it. Suddenly, without warning or any choice, the phone is updated and you are unable to call or text anyone. You're still paying for a useless phone. Nowhere in the contract or terms and conditions did it say they were allowed to update or break your phone without your permission. This update is not required to operate with their phone towers, they just updated because it was part of their new campaign.
I don't care if it's a BIG DEAL, it's morally and legally wrong. (and yes, it's released. it's released to millions of people, in case you haven't noticed)
This is a indie game if you haven't noticed. Get that idea through your thick skull.
Edit: My point being: the "other beta/alpha" games you refer to are probably developed by a large company. This game is being developed by primarily one man. Give the man a break. If you knew absolutely anything of coding you would know how easily something can break.
If they were optional, Notch wouldn't have as many people as he does giving him feedback. More feedback = quicker fixes, quicker fixes = more content dev time, more content dev time = golden quicker.
Also, this is an online game with servers that need a specific client version to connect to it due to hooks etc. You don't want to see "Server X ( ver A 1.26.2) now accepting players" now do you? Having to match up client versions.
Just be happy that your even able to play this amazing game in it's alpha/beta stages. You should have known what you were getting into when you payed.
/sigh
He has millions of people. He has enough people to give him feedback. If 1% of those people were to test the next patch every time it came out, he would have tens of thousands of people (might be hundreds of thousands, I think Minecraft is at the 10 million point now).
I think matching up the client and server versions is perfectly fine. It's a small game, it doesn't matter to have multiple versions.
As to "I should have known what I was getting into". Yes, I read the terms and conditions, it didn't say there would be mandatory updates that would break the game. No, this isn't a terribly big deal, but it is, I believe, illegal and morally wrong.
There is no point to continue this really. 1 in about 1000 will agree with you and tbh you both are wrong.
You paid to be a tester -end of story-
With that in order to "test" new updates will be put out and a lot of which will break other code and cause more issues. IT sucks but we did pay to be testers, we didn't pay for a final release
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First, you can downgrade to Alpha as long as you made a backup of your bin folder. Simply replace everything except the version file with the backup and you can play, including alpha servers.
Second, Minecraft has been purchased ~850,000 times not 10 million.
Its obviously stated just like you acknowledged that multiplayer is buggy (meaning there will be problems if this isnt clear)
No point in posting any further since your obviously either a troll or just silly. Also you have no legal rights to this game, if he decided to shut down mincecraft.com and laugh at all the money he has he has the legal right to lol.
PS: **** happens get over it, I'm annoyed too but it will be patched and fixed soon enough, if you dont have anything else to do in the mean time make some nifty friends to hang out with.
also, QQ.