Seeing as thoughdemonic_angel has a website for voting i will take down this post. I wasn't informed that he didn't want this public. Anyways i hope you guys vote, thanks for your respones!
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NO NO and NOOO. Look Jerreco you have a good idea, but think about it. If demonic were to rid of this server, there goes HALF of his donations income. Do you really think that creative lovers would want to donate for a server that offers no benefits or incentives to do so?
Think about it. Yeah some of the admins want it and MAYBE a few others want it. But to spend all the money for at most maybe 15-20 people that is not worth the time or effort.
If demonic found a way to make incentives to donate by making the hardcore survival worth it, then he'd have to add plugins and such, which would defeat the purpose. Also, I do not think demonic, being the age that he is, is willing to fork money out of his pockets just to fan service 20 people.
Not trying to sound like a jerk here, but that post is KIND OF a bit ignorant, not as in stupid, but as in not knowing. It ain't free to make a professional server and it costs good money to have the right equipment for the job. For all we know he might have to buy another server pc.
Unless you are willing to fork out $600+ for a good server for pc, I do NOT see this happening. Also, if the current survival server would to be replaced, I am pretty sure demonic would lose at least half of his players which at that would point would not be worth running it as nobody would have incentives to donate to help pay for the server. See what I am getting at?
There are PLENTY of already existing legit survival servers. Lets not fix what isn't broken ok?
ok henk but i also suggested demonic make a 3rd server please read the full post. i will mark you down for votes against it. and danger i also said it would cost money, it's up to demonic. i am starting to wonder if people read the full post?
In response to Jerreco's post: In short, i vote no. I say that because Keystone is a community-based server. If we DID decide to remake the Survival server into a hardcore/vanilla server, it would tear that community apart, people greifing eachother on the hardcore, or stealing, they would take that to the survival or creative with them. A large part of keystone is also the economy, and with Hardcore, you really can't do that. I believe that a Hardcore Keystone server would be bad for the players, community, and everyone.
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Danger has basically covered everything I've wanted to say, but I still want to add a couple things.
Basically, Jerreco, what you're asking for is a hardcore vanilla server. No fun plugins, just plain out build a house that gets griefed within a day. Nobody wants to stay after all of their buildings are destroyed, and their supplies gone. Lots of people would leave, so there goes all the players and all the money spent on the server.
ok i appreciate the reply drag, i also suggested demonic make a 3rd server. i will put you down for no.(also ferret admins stop griefers, plus there are not many protects on this server anyway) And i wouldn't be making the server demonic would he can add in protects. Also I didn't just make this post because of what i want, i am curious to see what the community wants, so demonic can get an idea.
Danger has basically covered everything I've wanted to say, but I still want to add a couple things.
Basically, Jerreco, what you're asking for is a hardcore vanilla server. No fun plugins, just plain out build a house that gets griefed within a day. Nobody wants to stay after all of their buildings are destroyed, and their supplies gone. Lots of people would leave, so there goes all the players and all the money spent on the server.
ty ferret. ^.^ Seems great minds think alike, yes? :3
In all the reasoning for me leaving is not wanting to continue pretending I was on a survival server, when clearly it is, as you stated, “Like creative with monsters”. The challenge has been depleted and simply turned itself into a Freebuild where you need to obtain your own items. The challenge of many aspects a survival server provides is nulled by the plugin MCmmo.
Not simply the exploits that come with the plugin, but a bias levelling ground where people of skill are toss aside by level grinders. Pvp has become unfair, so the highly requested Mob Arena with PVP is unrealistic due to this imbalance. The money we obtain on the server is seemingly heavily weighed on who has the higher stats. I truly apologise for ever have wanted that horrid plugin in the first place.
Not just the fact this plugin has ruined the server and mutated it into an undesirable ‘kiddy’ survival, which new players are turned away from, but it turns dull. I’m sure a lot of you have chests full of enchanted tools and armour that never dies or are quickly gained, this is not survival for there is no surviving. It’s relaxing ride through a game.
A group of modmins have said no to changing the server in fear you all have little loyalty and would not give it a chance, and just quit in a rage. I can understand that, but I am not going to personally see you all as children crying over change. The bitter fact in this also is, those who do leave in angst would be replaced easily by members we have formally turned away for not providing a good survival gameplay for them.
What I would propose, similar to Jerreco, is a trial server. Things I wished our ‘survival’ server had and restrained from having-
No mcmmo to keep obtaining wealth, food, kills, tools, and resources on an even level with any other player.
Not hardcore mode, simply because I do not think you all would enjoy that, yet a plugin that does make you die if you do not eat. Keeps you having that simple goal to always have food.
Admin shop & VIP shop, money should not be as easily obtainable as it is now. It’s a pity how it’s just a race of who can have as much, I would rather it be a ‘Do I have enough for what I require?’ and remove chest shops, only having a Server owned Shop with a good amount of necessities. This will keep people from destroying the economy.
Map and Money reset. Now breathe a moment before you panic, if we simply implemented these then those who have gained from the previous ways will stay on top of things, while new comers of those who have not indulged in the previous set up would struggle greatly to get up to par with someone that has. Imagine trying to get to my wealth without all that? Disheartening eh?
Who knows, maybe a fresh start could be good. You all might see in the trial server that its actually enjoyable without unfair advances in petty plugins. Simply shouting ‘NO’ before even giving it a chance is always a stubborn thing to do, and I’d assume better from the lot of you. Yet this is why I'm for suggesting a 'trial' server, because in its current state I would not recommend this server for anyone wishing to try out Survival.
I do think that maybe survival has become a little washed out for some people, but I not sure a new hardcore server is the best route to take, which is what Jerr present as one option. I feel like the post has too few options when there are so many routes a decision like this could take and it's not quite as clean cut as it was presented. I agree with Danger about donation worries. I think we could come up with other options with the help of the community, since I feel drag is right in saying we are a community based server.
I think another option we could explore could be map reset. Before you say it..I KNOW you all have TONS of stuff, and I know you spent COUNTLESS hours on it, BUT the same goes for me, but I would give it ALL up if it meant that we could make KS survival even more amazing...for BOTH regular players, as well as newcomers. This could include resetting mcMMo, or even disabling it because I feel that would provide a much more even playing field for all players, making it feel like we really have a little more struggle to survive. I think honestly this is my favorite option; who doesn't like a fresh start? Time to rethink that house of yours, have to really look for your materials again, really having to SURVIVE again, whereas now most of us are just floating along on survival. We've got armor that makes us practically indestructible, enchants are easy as pie because we pretty much ALL have several grinders at our disposal, unlimited items in our endless chests...the list goes on and on. We aren't really surviving anymore this way...new players struggle to gain ground in a community that has gotten so far up the charts, they never even stand a chance, so most don't stick around. It's too easy to get money as well.. afk at farms because with those double drops from herb you'll be rich quick, same with mining, the double drops from skills and enchants are just so easy to come by that we don't have to even work for our money anymore. Seriously, I don't think we have to set it to hardcore or anything, but something’s got to give. The way we play KS survival there is no actual surviving at all at the moment, and I think it really does take a lot of that fun away.
That is just my input. I don't feel really like the idea of a new server, but at the same time I DO agree survival needs some changes.
I had a long post written on my iPod, and it crashed, and I lost it...
So, literally a long story short, I totally agree with Kav. Sometimes things just need a fresh start, and I think this is one of those times. If you're a bit shocked, just read over her post a couple times and think about it.
I read Kav's post 10 times and I TOTALLY agree with her. I have NEVER bought anything from the shops. Just selling. Everything I got was legit. Mined mover 50 Diamonds with no enchants on tools. Jerr put my vote yes on new server/map reset.
Btw, I say a map reset not a new server to sav Demon money. I really like the land in this server. I say just reset the map and remove the money. Are we going to remove Mob Arena? I love that but I wont be disapointed if we removed it.
I don't think it should be necessary to completely redo everything on the survival server we have at this time. There are people who like the system as it is. Sure I wouldn't mind MCMMO taken out or a reset of the economy for balance's sake, but it's an opinion that others may not share and who would rather have the server as is. Perhaps when we get a better server income we can put out a vanilla survival style of server, so that no side looses anything.
For those arguing that it isn't truly survival, I suppose our creative server really isn't creative mode is it? Might as well restart the creative server map and make it creative mode, without plugins. Suddenly, those who previously joined creative expecting a creative mode server and rapidly ragequit might have a similar opinion to share with those who think survival should be redone from the ground up. This isn't just survival. It's Keystone survival. Creative is Keystone creative, based on a system dating back to September of 2010. People who like our style of gameplay stick around, and we have plenty of people who can prove that. Those that don't, usually leave at some point in time, or stick around to converse with others in-game. We satisfy a taste of gamemodes that not many other servers cannot. Our method of gameplay is what makes us who we are.
"MCMMO taken out or a reset of the economy for balance's sake"
It would be a nice change to see this, and help give a more balanced field of play for every member. But again, my proposal is to have a trial run. Actually let people see for themselves them just reading it on the forums. You might love it, you might hate it. Who knows? Its about what everyone might find out by this trial.
In spite of all the recent events created by Jerreco's post; this is my take on everything. Survival
Keystone, in my opinion is a server that's welcoming to new people, and has an amazing community. Kav's post is what I agree with the most out of this. I say we do a backup of survival as it is, and then run a trial server for about a month. At the end, we have each player fill out a form or something, telling the Keystone staff how they liked it and if they would continue, etc. I'm still thinking about what else to say, so part 2 to this point is coming soon.
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I'm gonna be simple here and say it; no NO NOOOOO! That is the hands down worst idea for the well being of keystone, the things we do, and the plugins we have, is what sets us apart from the pack. Also, dozens, perhaps more than 100, people call that world home, and resetting it would break my heart.
And another note to demonic, if such changes were to happen I would probably stop playing, or at the very least donating to the server, which is bad, and I know I wouldn't be the only one, either.
I agree with the survival reset. My new house took little to no time at all, and it is made out of normal none-plank wood. the forest to the left of my is untouched. We need survival to be the backbone on surviving, not shops.
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Well you know, this does bring up an interesting idea. On creative, there are players with well established land, buildings, and creations that new players cannot utilize. Why not reset the creative map so that the playing field is level there as well? Just like on surival, and perhaps more so, ravaged land can be found near the spawns. Players who first join face a system in which those who have played longer have more creative abilities, and might have a difficult time making their creations known. This goes hand in hand. If we do reset survival for the sake of newer players, perhaps it should be done for creative too.
Think of all the butthurt players who would cry and leave if their creative structures were wiped. This can be said for survival as well. A double standard cannot be held for both servers, since neither are truly what mode they advertise they seemingly are. If a reset for survival is made, creative should be reset as well.
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Survival isn't survival its "gather your own materials creative". I'd actually love having regular survival resets and I came from survival servers. hence why I don't play on creative. I actually love working my way to the top each time but then what? build? no we have creative for that. so all i do is mope around my house or spawn bored out of my mind. so I'm all for a survival reset. I would also love for survival to be a tad harder by allowing looting/pvp and griefing so players have to utilize their res making skills and protect their stuff by making money to pay for the res. or maybe start them off with enough money to make a small res like 5x5 until they can afford a bigger one and it should be a little challenging to make money so you actually have to work to protect your things.
Survival isn't survival its "gather your own materials creative". I'd actually love having regular survival resets and I came from survival servers. hence why I don't play on creative. I actually love working my way to the top each time but then what? build? no we have creative for that. so all i do is mope around my house or spawn bored out of my mind. so I'm all for a survival reset. I would also love for survival to be a tad harder by allowing looting/pvp and griefing so players have to utilize their res making skills and protect their stuff by making money to pay for the res. or maybe start them off with enough money to make a small res like 5x5 until they can afford a bigger one and it should be a little challenging to make money so you actually have to work to protect your things.
YES. Res's are useless as of now, I dont have a res on my house and my island and they have not been griefed yet.
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You see that green button with the plus? You dont have to click it, and I am not gonna force you to do it.
Think about it. Yeah some of the admins want it and MAYBE a few others want it. But to spend all the money for at most maybe 15-20 people that is not worth the time or effort.
If demonic found a way to make incentives to donate by making the hardcore survival worth it, then he'd have to add plugins and such, which would defeat the purpose. Also, I do not think demonic, being the age that he is, is willing to fork money out of his pockets just to fan service 20 people.
Not trying to sound like a jerk here, but that post is KIND OF a bit ignorant, not as in stupid, but as in not knowing. It ain't free to make a professional server and it costs good money to have the right equipment for the job. For all we know he might have to buy another server pc.
Unless you are willing to fork out $600+ for a good server for pc, I do NOT see this happening. Also, if the current survival server would to be replaced, I am pretty sure demonic would lose at least half of his players which at that would point would not be worth running it as nobody would have incentives to donate to help pay for the server. See what I am getting at?
There are PLENTY of already existing legit survival servers. Lets not fix what isn't broken ok?
So it is a NO for me. Sorry
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Basically, Jerreco, what you're asking for is a hardcore vanilla server. No fun plugins, just plain out build a house that gets griefed within a day. Nobody wants to stay after all of their buildings are destroyed, and their supplies gone. Lots of people would leave, so there goes all the players and all the money spent on the server.
ty ferret. ^.^ Seems great minds think alike, yes? :3
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Retired StaffNot simply the exploits that come with the plugin, but a bias levelling ground where people of skill are toss aside by level grinders. Pvp has become unfair, so the highly requested Mob Arena with PVP is unrealistic due to this imbalance. The money we obtain on the server is seemingly heavily weighed on who has the higher stats. I truly apologise for ever have wanted that horrid plugin in the first place.
Not just the fact this plugin has ruined the server and mutated it into an undesirable ‘kiddy’ survival, which new players are turned away from, but it turns dull. I’m sure a lot of you have chests full of enchanted tools and armour that never dies or are quickly gained, this is not survival for there is no surviving. It’s relaxing ride through a game.
A group of modmins have said no to changing the server in fear you all have little loyalty and would not give it a chance, and just quit in a rage. I can understand that, but I am not going to personally see you all as children crying over change. The bitter fact in this also is, those who do leave in angst would be replaced easily by members we have formally turned away for not providing a good survival gameplay for them.
What I would propose, similar to Jerreco, is a trial server. Things I wished our ‘survival’ server had and restrained from having-
- No mcmmo to keep obtaining wealth, food, kills, tools, and resources on an even level with any other player.
- Not hardcore mode, simply because I do not think you all would enjoy that, yet a plugin that does make you die if you do not eat. Keeps you having that simple goal to always have food.
- Admin shop & VIP shop, money should not be as easily obtainable as it is now. It’s a pity how it’s just a race of who can have as much, I would rather it be a ‘Do I have enough for what I require?’ and remove chest shops, only having a Server owned Shop with a good amount of necessities. This will keep people from destroying the economy.
- Map and Money reset. Now breathe a moment before you panic, if we simply implemented these then those who have gained from the previous ways will stay on top of things, while new comers of those who have not indulged in the previous set up would struggle greatly to get up to par with someone that has. Imagine trying to get to my wealth without all that? Disheartening eh?
Who knows, maybe a fresh start could be good. You all might see in the trial server that its actually enjoyable without unfair advances in petty plugins. Simply shouting ‘NO’ before even giving it a chance is always a stubborn thing to do, and I’d assume better from the lot of you. Yet this is why I'm for suggesting a 'trial' server, because in its current state I would not recommend this server for anyone wishing to try out Survival.I think another option we could explore could be map reset. Before you say it..I KNOW you all have TONS of stuff, and I know you spent COUNTLESS hours on it, BUT the same goes for me, but I would give it ALL up if it meant that we could make KS survival even more amazing...for BOTH regular players, as well as newcomers. This could include resetting mcMMo, or even disabling it because I feel that would provide a much more even playing field for all players, making it feel like we really have a little more struggle to survive. I think honestly this is my favorite option; who doesn't like a fresh start? Time to rethink that house of yours, have to really look for your materials again, really having to SURVIVE again, whereas now most of us are just floating along on survival. We've got armor that makes us practically indestructible, enchants are easy as pie because we pretty much ALL have several grinders at our disposal, unlimited items in our endless chests...the list goes on and on. We aren't really surviving anymore this way...new players struggle to gain ground in a community that has gotten so far up the charts, they never even stand a chance, so most don't stick around. It's too easy to get money as well.. afk at farms because with those double drops from herb you'll be rich quick, same with mining, the double drops from skills and enchants are just so easy to come by that we don't have to even work for our money anymore. Seriously, I don't think we have to set it to hardcore or anything, but something’s got to give. The way we play KS survival there is no actual surviving at all at the moment, and I think it really does take a lot of that fun away.
That is just my input. I don't feel really like the idea of a new server, but at the same time I DO agree survival needs some changes.
So, literally a long story short, I totally agree with Kav. Sometimes things just need a fresh start, and I think this is one of those times. If you're a bit shocked, just read over her post a couple times and think about it.
Btw, I say a map reset not a new server to sav Demon money. I really like the land in this server. I say just reset the map and remove the money. Are we going to remove Mob Arena? I love that but I wont be disapointed if we removed it.
My vote is:Creating a new server/map-money reset
For those arguing that it isn't truly survival, I suppose our creative server really isn't creative mode is it? Might as well restart the creative server map and make it creative mode, without plugins. Suddenly, those who previously joined creative expecting a creative mode server and rapidly ragequit might have a similar opinion to share with those who think survival should be redone from the ground up. This isn't just survival. It's Keystone survival. Creative is Keystone creative, based on a system dating back to September of 2010. People who like our style of gameplay stick around, and we have plenty of people who can prove that. Those that don't, usually leave at some point in time, or stick around to converse with others in-game. We satisfy a taste of gamemodes that not many other servers cannot. Our method of gameplay is what makes us who we are.
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Retired StaffIt would be a nice change to see this, and help give a more balanced field of play for every member. But again, my proposal is to have a trial run. Actually let people see for themselves them just reading it on the forums. You might love it, you might hate it. Who knows? Its about what everyone might find out by this trial.
Keystone, in my opinion is a server that's welcoming to new people, and has an amazing community. Kav's post is what I agree with the most out of this. I say we do a backup of survival as it is, and then run a trial server for about a month. At the end, we have each player fill out a form or something, telling the Keystone staff how they liked it and if they would continue, etc. I'm still thinking about what else to say, so part 2 to this point is coming soon.
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And another note to demonic, if such changes were to happen I would probably stop playing, or at the very least donating to the server, which is bad, and I know I wouldn't be the only one, either.
You see that green button with the plus? You dont have to click it, and I am not gonna force you to do it.
Think of all the butthurt players who would cry and leave if their creative structures were wiped. This can be said for survival as well. A double standard cannot be held for both servers, since neither are truly what mode they advertise they seemingly are. If a reset for survival is made, creative should be reset as well.
YES. Res's are useless as of now, I dont have a res on my house and my island and they have not been griefed yet.
You see that green button with the plus? You dont have to click it, and I am not gonna force you to do it.