People, the purpose of posting to this thread is to suggest and critique the guidelines posted in this thread, not to complain about the quality of suggestions or the motives of the suggestion thread posters. Please keep this discussion on-topic.
Could we implement some sort of pop-up system that tells the new kids that they're about to post in an ancient thread? Which isn't a crime on it's own, but there's still those not-smart posters that say stuff like "loool I agreee" on threads that were made in like 2011.
This thread is for discussing possible guidelines specific to the Suggestions forum section. Necroposting is already a forum-wide rule and should be discussed in the Forum Discussion and Info section, not in this thread. If you see someone necropost a Suggestions thread, just report it and move on.
Also, people, please stay on-topic. This thread is not for discussing troll threads or complaints about thread moderation. This thread is only, solely for discussions related to the guidelines post at the top of this thread. It is not a general discussion thread for the Suggestions section.
Perhaps a separate "controversial suggestions" thread, with certain suggestions labeled with typical arguments for and against (whether you consider those arguments bad or not), with an attempt to be fair and not one-sided about them. The point would not be to say that you shouldn't do X suggestion... It's just there to show that a certain suggestion has history that one may be able to learn from. It'd also not say that it'd be better with A, B, and C, just that there are certain facets that are generally argued that you may want to work around, however you may want to do that. Or not if you don't consider them an issue, but then you should probably expect people to mention them. You wouldn't need to read the thread, and suggestions that are made in full ignorance of it are perfectly acceptable, but if you learn from it you may be able to make something better.
If someone wants to try that, then they are free to put that together and see how it works out -- but it would likely have to remain strictly unofficial and unpinned. One of the reasons why we initially took notice with the old guide thread (and decided to look into creating a simpler one) was the incessant arguing in that thread about whether some particular suggestion was worthy of being added to the hall of shame. If another thread was created, the OP would need to make sure the thread did not fall into that same state.
...and if you think we should have a list of bad suggestions, you should make that case.
I really doubt that we are going to allow a list of "bad suggestions" to be added. People have the right to post whatever suggestions they want, so long as they follow the forum rules. As I have stated before, if people do not like those suggestions and can't provide constructive criticism, they are free to not post or respond in those threads.
People, please take the discussion about language elsewhere, since it is not really on-topic in this thread. This thread is for discussing the existing guidelines or what should be added to the guidelines. The language/readability discussion is not Suggestions section-specific and therefore does not fit within these guidelines.
The problem I have with this whole discussion about slang, posts from non-native speakers, readability of posts, etc. is that this is not a Suggestions section specific situation, it is forum-wide -- and really shouldn't need to be addressed in section-specific guidelines.
I'm not arguing with any rules here, but may I ask why wishlists aren't allowed? Personally I just think it's better to put lots of ideas into one thread than to spam the forum with lots of threads. Once again, not arguing with anything, just asking.
That has been answered several times by admins in the Forum Discussion and Info section, for example:
I think it should be added to this list that people keep in mind that this is a creative writing section, not an actual place to suggest things to Mojang, but the attitude of responses should stay as if the idea was going to be added to Minecraft.
To me, this whole entire section is a "what if this was added" section where people can ponder these "what if"s.
It is also about improving one's suggestions and creative thinking in my own opinion. Some coming into this section
with hopes that Mojang will actually add your suggestion is a bit over the top, and you set your self up for false hopes,
It should at least be noted that Mojang doesn't look at these (well once in a blue moon they have), and/or this isn't the official idea suggestion forum for
Guideline #4 does mention that this section is for presenting ideas to fellow forum users, not necessarily to Mojang.
"There's the guy who hated my idea of creepers speaking l33tspeak. I'm gonna lob some serious poops at his popular thread about a new biome. That'll show him >=} !!" No, it will not show him.
If it appears that people are posting to harass another user (regardless of whether it is for revenge or not), just report their post so that the forum staff can determine if it needs to be dealt with. There isn't any need for a guideline for this.
Yeah I'm sure this was brought up many times, but there really needs to be a mention on people messing with polls, or giving really stupid answers.
Messing with polls (such as reversing yes/no or approve/disapprove answers) is generally considered trolling and shouldn't really need to be covered by this guide. I really don't think that someone giving dumb poll selections is a large enough problem for it to be covered by a pinned guide.
Earlier today I posted on an old thread to give my support to a suggestion I liked. But I was then advised not to revive a thread if I have no interesting new information to provide.
First of all (ignoring the fact that all I did was offer support): This advisement got me wondering, if I consider the very many styles and ways each person plays MC, then the standards of what is considered new and interesting information is going to be different for each person. So who is it that determines for everyone else what is classified as interesting/important information, and what is not?
Secondly: Why is reviving an old thread to give support to a suggestion that is appreciated by the reader considered unimportant enough to be eligible? If I'm not mistaken, this is a forum where we are free to express our ideas and opinions ("opinions" being appropriate to offering support to an idea). I can't for the life of me see why the age of a thread determines a threads "worth of attention". It's kinda like telling my history teacher that things that happened before I was born aren't worth my consideration.
That rule isn't specific to the Suggestions forum, it is an overall forum rule. We don't allow threads to be necroposted to. An inactive thread can only be revived using new or interesting content -- something that is relevant to the thread topic and would continue the discussion in a substantial way. A post which merely shows support for an old suggestion is not contributing any discussion value to the suggestion thread, and is therefore not allowed.
Agreed. Comparing it with the old guide will definitively improve this new guide after all.
I don't have any problem with people discussing the new guide in relation to the old guide (or vice versa) in this thread. What I am saying is off-topic is when the thread goes off on a tangent of complaining about the old guide being removed without providing any meaningful input to the new guide.