Gonna bring up the two suggestions that were deleted:
- Saying "well that's your opinion". This ruins the chance to better your idea as you're just mentioning that someone disagrees with you (which was already made clear the first time) and accomplishes nothing. This is even worse when your idea is overall bad as going "well these guys just have a different viewpoint than me!" is leaving the bad idea to be bad without any fixes.
- Going from "support this fantastic, genius idea! Someone make me a banner, someone tell Notch right now guys this is gonna be biggg!!" Then after seeing 3 no support's, we now read "Woah guys this just text on a forum calm down this idea doesn't exist relax pleasse!!"
The point here is that there are different levels of problem that suggestions can have. Bad presentation is one thing, but there are also suggestions that are odious (the phrase "mowing down villagers" is a good hint), or fundamentally unbalanced, or don't fit within vanilla Minecraft's developed theme and character. We can help people with spelling, grammar, organization. We sometimes can give hints about balance, if the OP can get past "I want I want I want!".
Some people refuse to see their mistakes. They just want to argue argue argue and never understand that the problem is the suggestion and not us. You think Herobrine thread #223 or Make new combat optional thread #482 would be enough to spark something in people's heads but not really.
Then there's fresh new accounts that read this guide, and then do the exact opposite of what it says just to mess with us but not enough as to elude the mods, because apparently people are that bored in life. Anyway, people hear the words "Army of creepers" of their heads and just go with it without even thinking about how it truly would play out because people get all bubbly and overexcited over their own ideas.
You make it sound so easy to judge things as good or bad when the whole point is that this is subjective.
Subjective or not, some ideas just fail. People don't want to monitor some troll temperature bar which stops them from being able to live in the desert or taigas. All because the OP thought "well umm... realism!" People don't want to bring inventory clogging water bottles because Mojang thought "thirst bar would boost gameplay! smart thoughts!"
I'm genuinely surprised you're using the term "objectively bad suggestions" and are standing by it. I think I need somebody to sit down and explain it to me.
Not to speak for him, but he did put the term in quotes. There doesn't need to be a list of hated suggestions, which I would love, but would still leave a bad impression for newer posters. There can still be a section that points out how to avoid gameplay breaking things, and what improper lines of logic make your suggestion... not good.
Having them learn the hard way is a bad line of thinking. If we can give them some advice from the start, why not do it? You wouldn't yell at someone for walking on the grass when you could have just had a sign telling them not to do it from the start.
As soon as you explain exactly what you mean and explain why you think it is needed, we can discuss it.
I think he means people who post a not-refined idea, then people others point out how vague and "dude, what?" the idea is. Then the OP starts smushing stats in the idea just so the idea feels "complete" now. Just plan out the idea beforehand instead of pooping out a thread just for the sake of going "I made a suggestion! =D"
*stills sees goofy joke threads and sockpuppet accounts*
Okay, I guess the quality control comes later? There's still nothing in the guide that helps build the quality of a suggestion. I mean it does mention details and the 5 W's, but it's still very generic and crunched down. For example, a suggestion should have non-cringe grammar, and not have spelling that doesn't look like you punched your keyboard in the face and pressed "Post Reply".
So you actually don't know for sure at all then. You perceive it because their criticisms are bad. Right.
You're shrinking down the context of what I'm getting at. It's really not that difficult to know when someone is making a half-baked revenge post. Especially when they openly say garbage like "lol I don't support bcuz you don't support me". Yes, I've actually seen this, before you possibly ask.
You don't need anything in between. If you're unsure, there's no need to put in a permanent vote - talk about it in the thread until you come to a conclusion.
You don't exactly need a poll altogether, but it does help. Some people will do as much as read the suggestion and put in a vote. If you have extremist left/right answers, you're still limiting the reader...
You need to understand that if somebody does something so self-awarely, this guide won't change it. People don't accidentally forget to add a no option, they do it intentionally.
No, some people absent-mindedly make bad polls. Unless they're obviously trolling, which usually nothing is done about them anyway. I wish I could post threads that have done all this but we can't call people out so yeah.
What exactly tips you off to the fact they're revenge posting as opposed to just not liking the idea?
The way they post? If they explain why they don't like the idea it's one thing. If they just go "idea = sux ;]" after getting negative reception from the guy who made the thread than it comes off as failed payback or just a guy who's bad at posting. Or both.
Give us an example of a bad poll someone could genuinely make my mistake.
I'll give you two:
My idea's really really good right?
[ ] Yes, best idea on the forum probably!
[ ] Worst thing ever! Augh!
Cool, nothing in between.
What is your guys' brain thoughts on my fruit juices idea?
[ ] It's good I support!
[ ] I support just some of them so yeah......
[ ] Idea is good but not the way you presented it.....
[ ] It's good and also here's my idea (explain please)
Neat. There's no "no." option. Yes, I've seen both of these kinds of polls actually exist.
Messing with polls (such as reversing yes/no or approve/disapprove answers) is generally considered trolling and shouldn't really need to be covered by this guide. I really don't think that someone giving dumb poll selections is a large enough problem for it to be covered by a pinned guide.
Some of the people who have dumb poll answers are inexperienced posters or people who just don't think this stuff out. It's not always trollish such the answers being "idea is best!!", "idea is kinda best!" and "idea is ok but still almost maybe besst!!" and nothing else. I don't see why it isn't worth mentioning as polls are an extremely common thing in threads. It can also give the OP a muddy opinion on their own threads because they didn't think out the poll answers.