I know 90% of you out there are all angry that Bethesda is suing the company you all worship. I many of you think its because a big company is picking on a smaller one or maybe your all mad that Bethesda is suing Mojang over the word "Scrolls."
Here's the thing. Bethesda is doing what every company in this world plans on doing, being successful. They have a franchise earning them piles and piles of moneys. It is in their best interest to protect what is rightfully theirs, and I don't mean the words "The" or "Elder" or "Scrolls."
How many times have you asked someone to pass you a Kleenex or how many times have you rode an Escalator? Both of those things are brand names, but because they took no action to protect their title, everyone refers to tissues as Kleenex and revolving stairs as Escalators.
Here's an example of a company that has succeeded in protecting its name. Starbucks. They have sued multiple coffee-based beverage selling businesses that use "Bucks" or "Star" in the name because they have "Starbucks" trademarked. I believe it was 20/20 (an American news show) that did a report on Starbucks suing a "mom and pop" business for using the mom's name as the business name. Her name, Sam Buck, her business's name, Sam Buck's Coffee. Starbucks sued for trademark infringement and won.
So back to Bethesda. They're probably just worried not that people will confuse the two games, but that people may think they are similar. They don't know whether "Scrolls" is going to be the next big thing, or if its going to crash and burn. They don't want to be a part of it and they don't want people to think they are a part of it.
I'm not saying Bethesda is going to win any lawsuit, nor am I defending them as a better company. I am defending them as a business manager. Everyone has to do what they need to do to survive. I'm hoping this will clear up some misconception for people. I don't claim to be an expert on anything, I'm just stating that this is probably the most likely reason for Bethesda to sue Mojang over the word "Scrolls"
tl;dr version:
Bethesda wants to protect its assets. Mojang would do the same to anyone creating a game called Crafting Miners or something similar.
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I honestly agree with you on every angle of your opinion. Its a shame that fanboys and "minecraftfags", (I use that term lightly, seeing I love minecraft), have to hate over another company for taking action in protecting itself.
I know 90% of you out there are all angry that Bethesda is suing the company you all worship. I many of you think its because a big company is picking on a smaller one or maybe your all mad that Bethesda is suing Mojang over the word "Scrolls."
Here's the thing. Bethesda is doing what every company in this world plans on doing, being successful. They have a franchise earning them piles and piles of moneys. It is in their best interest to protect what is rightfully theirs, and I don't mean the words "The" or "Elder" or "Scrolls."
How many times have you asked someone to pass you a Kleenex or how many times have you rode an Escalator? Both of those things are brand names, but because they took no action to protect their title, everyone refers to tissues as Kleenex and revolving stairs as Escalators.
Here's an example of a company that has succeeded in protecting its name. Starbucks. They have sued multiple coffee-based beverage selling businesses that use "Bucks" or "Star" in the name because they have "Starbucks" trademarked. I believe it was 20/20 (an American news show) that did a report on Starbucks suing a "mom and pop" business for using the mom's name as the business name. Her name, Sam Buck, her business's name, Sam Buck's Coffee. Starbucks sued for trademark infringement and won.
So back to Bethesda. They're probably just worried not that people will confuse the two games, but that people may think they are similar. They don't know whether "Scrolls" is going to be the next big thing, or if its going to crash and burn. They don't want to be a part of it and they don't want people to think they are a part of it.
I'm not saying Bethesda is going to win any lawsuit, nor am I defending them as a better company. I am defending them as a business manager. Everyone has to do what they need to do to survive. I'm hoping this will clear up some misconception for people. I don't claim to be an expert on anything, I'm just stating that this is probably the most likely reason for Bethesda to sue Mojang over the word "Scrolls"
tl;dr version:
Bethesda wants to protect its assets. Mojang would do the same to anyone creating a game called Crafting Miners or something similar.
Well their case is quite valid. Scrolls and Elder Scrolls are rather similar.
I don't Bethesda Game Studios is picking on a small company, they're just letting Mojang know there may be confusion caused from their title for their new game. And besides, as a distributor, this thing is important to them.
Read his blog and twitter, he says several times that he hopes and thinks that its just the lawyers. He states that he has met them before and the seemed to be nice people.
I hope this just blows over. but does anyone know how much they are worth?
Mojang has 3000000x 15+$
So a lawsuit will get really stupid and drain lots of money from both companies.
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Their intentions may be admirable, but they are obviously taking it too far. That argument you've presented is not a defense but an excuse. I mean, for goodness sake, you don't barge in during a child abuse case and yell, "But they were just disciplining!" when that's clearly not what went on.
The kicker for me is that the "Elder Scrolls" part of the game is almost never used in the marketing or advertising and certainly not a major part in the games, it's just the words that tie everything into one "series". I say "series" because the games don't really tie in with each other at all.
I think its really stupid when a company trademarks a name and thinks they own any words in it in or out of context. Whats next? Is Donald Trump gonna sue music stores that sell trumpets because "trump" is in the word trumpet. Sounds ludicrous, but thats the same kind of logic Bethesda is using here. If its a made up word like Kleenex then it's okay because the company actually made the word, but a word thats in the dictionary and has been way before the company was formed, then they shouldn't be allowed to take ownership of a word.
The kicker for me is that the "Elder Scrolls" part of the game is almost never used in the marketing or advertising and certainly not a major part in the games, it's just the words that tie everything into one "series". I say "series" because the games don't really tie in with each other at all.
Search Wikipedia for "Elder Scrolls". Search Google for "Elder Scrolls". Search Google for "Scrolls video game". The term "Elder Scrolls" pretty much exclusively refers to that particular game series. "Scrolls video game" largely turns up "The Elder Scrolls"-related material, with a few exceptions, a notable one being Mojang's "Scrolls".
Mojang could never sue for the singular usage of the words "mine" or "craft" in any game name because they're far too common already. "Minecraft" is a very weak trademark in that respect. It's similar to how Blizzard can't sue for the singular usage of the words "star" or "craft". "Mine" and "craft" appearing together would present a clearer case, though.
"Scrolls" is not like that at all, however. It almost exclusively refers to "The Elder Scrolls" in the context of video game titles, and Bethesda doesn't want that exclusivity to be eroded. Indeed, it has a right and a duty to make sure that it does not.
If they believe they've copy-written or trademarked the word "Scrolls" then they can sue over it. And they are.
Well yes, "Elder Scrolls" is a registered trademark. That's got nothing to do with copyright law, though. Trademarks are handled in a very different fashion.
But here's the thing. The Elder Scrolls isn't some daily object such as tissues, escalators (what the hell are they really called if that's a brand name?) and coffee. It's a video game. It doesn't effect that amount of people to the point where it will just get to the point as tissues become 'kleenex' I mean it just has one word in it and it can be relative to many other games that might have the word "Scrolls" in it. I didn't even REMOTELY think of The Elder Scrolls when I heard of Scrolls a few months back. It's just a ridiculous argument for something like a video game. Tissues are everyday common things, and Kleenex was a common brand, so it became inter-changeable. But video games aren't just everyday items for most people, and it's definately not a part of everyday conversation, so I don't see how this could get very confusing in anyway. ****, Blizzard might as well step in and sue Mojang as well for creating a game with the word "Craft" in it...
Why do people need to keep arguing about this? Both sides have good games. I highly doubt this lawsuit will affect any of us. I for one, am still going to play minecraft, and am still going to get skyrim.
Here's the thing. Bethesda is doing what every company in this world plans on doing, being successful. They have a franchise earning them piles and piles of moneys. It is in their best interest to protect what is rightfully theirs, and I don't mean the words "The" or "Elder" or "Scrolls."
How many times have you asked someone to pass you a Kleenex or how many times have you rode an Escalator? Both of those things are brand names, but because they took no action to protect their title, everyone refers to tissues as Kleenex and revolving stairs as Escalators.
Here's an example of a company that has succeeded in protecting its name. Starbucks. They have sued multiple coffee-based beverage selling businesses that use "Bucks" or "Star" in the name because they have "Starbucks" trademarked. I believe it was 20/20 (an American news show) that did a report on Starbucks suing a "mom and pop" business for using the mom's name as the business name. Her name, Sam Buck, her business's name, Sam Buck's Coffee. Starbucks sued for trademark infringement and won.
So back to Bethesda. They're probably just worried not that people will confuse the two games, but that people may think they are similar. They don't know whether "Scrolls" is going to be the next big thing, or if its going to crash and burn. They don't want to be a part of it and they don't want people to think they are a part of it.
I'm not saying Bethesda is going to win any lawsuit, nor am I defending them as a better company. I am defending them as a business manager. Everyone has to do what they need to do to survive. I'm hoping this will clear up some misconception for people. I don't claim to be an expert on anything, I'm just stating that this is probably the most likely reason for Bethesda to sue Mojang over the word "Scrolls"
tl;dr version:
Bethesda wants to protect its assets. Mojang would do the same to anyone creating a game called Crafting Miners or something similar.
I love MC, but I'm not a blind follower.
Well their case is quite valid. Scrolls and Elder Scrolls are rather similar.
I don't Bethesda Game Studios is picking on a small company, they're just letting Mojang know there may be confusion caused from their title for their new game. And besides, as a distributor, this thing is important to them.
Read his blog and twitter, he says several times that he hopes and thinks that its just the lawyers. He states that he has met them before and the seemed to be nice people.
I hope this just blows over. but does anyone know how much they are worth?
Mojang has 3000000x 15+$
So a lawsuit will get really stupid and drain lots of money from both companies.
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I didn't even notice, lol.
Search Wikipedia for "Elder Scrolls". Search Google for "Elder Scrolls". Search Google for "Scrolls video game". The term "Elder Scrolls" pretty much exclusively refers to that particular game series. "Scrolls video game" largely turns up "The Elder Scrolls"-related material, with a few exceptions, a notable one being Mojang's "Scrolls".
Mojang could never sue for the singular usage of the words "mine" or "craft" in any game name because they're far too common already. "Minecraft" is a very weak trademark in that respect. It's similar to how Blizzard can't sue for the singular usage of the words "star" or "craft". "Mine" and "craft" appearing together would present a clearer case, though.
"Scrolls" is not like that at all, however. It almost exclusively refers to "The Elder Scrolls" in the context of video game titles, and Bethesda doesn't want that exclusivity to be eroded. Indeed, it has a right and a duty to make sure that it does not.
You're right. Mojang is way, way more lenient and they're a smaller and newer company. Kind of ironic since they are more vulnerable.
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You fail to realize that this has absolutely nothing to do with copyright laws.
Well yes, "Elder Scrolls" is a registered trademark. That's got nothing to do with copyright law, though. Trademarks are handled in a very different fashion.
But here's the thing. The Elder Scrolls isn't some daily object such as tissues, escalators (what the hell are they really called if that's a brand name?) and coffee. It's a video game. It doesn't effect that amount of people to the point where it will just get to the point as tissues become 'kleenex' I mean it just has one word in it and it can be relative to many other games that might have the word "Scrolls" in it. I didn't even REMOTELY think of The Elder Scrolls when I heard of Scrolls a few months back. It's just a ridiculous argument for something like a video game. Tissues are everyday common things, and Kleenex was a common brand, so it became inter-changeable. But video games aren't just everyday items for most people, and it's definately not a part of everyday conversation, so I don't see how this could get very confusing in anyway. ****, Blizzard might as well step in and sue Mojang as well for creating a game with the word "Craft" in it...
No-one owns any word, unless created specifically for the game otherwise. Ex: An alien language for a video game/movie.