Make her come to reason with the fact that care for here (and try to make her your gf giggity). Oh and tell her the others that will miss her. (and in a back alley beat up the kids that told her to cut herself) But dont bring her to therapy those people cant help me find my left hand.
Scene Kids believe they should get whatever they want. If they don't they act like 3 year olds, throwing a tantrum until they succeed.
The main cause for Scene Kids is Disney Channel and MTV, encouraging people to dress up in revealing outfits, and try to get laid as many times as possible.
Emo Kids believe everything (even the floor) hates them, and their ego succumbs to peer pressure and starts to hate itself. They believe they're causing everyone misery and hate, and cut themselves, in hopes the pain goes away, when in reality, cutting yourself brings MORE pain.
Just sit her down, and tell her she's beginning to lose herself. Ask her why she's doing this. Because it's cool? Because everyone else is doing it? **** peer pressure. I went to school full of PS3 Fanboys and had the balls to say I own and Xbox. I had a few friends who believed Xbox and PS3 should put down their weapons and shake hands, while 97% believed I was the anti-christ. (The ironic thing was, it was a Catholic School). Sure, I lost my hair and dignity. Sure I chickened out of seventh grade. I'm not cutting myself, I'm not mutilating myself, I'm not screaming into a pillow. I just my hair, and now it's grown back.
Tell her that doing what everyon else does proves nothing, but how weak she is. If she was strong, she'd be herself.
I'm an atheist (because of a childhood experience), but I'm cool with God. He's alright. Satan fails, however. He was pretty much a Scene Angel.
Satanism is probably one of the most reasonable religions, with pretty decent morals. (Satanism involves believing Satan is GOOD, so it does not involve worshipping evil or any of that)
Unless she is one of those kids who has to act all 'evil' because they assume thats what satanism is. Then theres a problem.
Where did the emo self-cutting thing started from anyways?
Cult related stuff that SOMEHOW transpired into social life?
Quite hard to figure out how something this stupid and illogical came into existence, but in order for such fallacy to exist, a belief in doing said action is the catalyst.
Religion. Which led to Cults. Which might lead to whatever you would call this "self-inflicting wound to ease self" thing.
Well on this topic...
The steps:
1) The victim is depressed and emotional and is irrational with her decisions and actions. The proper action to take is to figure a way to make her take one of the possible solution, without causing more problems. Reverse psychology doesn't always works and can sometimes work against you.
2) The victim might not know anything at all about her surrounding (ie: Thinking the world hates her), so it's possible to remind her of her surrounding (family, friends, etc.) and prove to her that they co-exist with her. Reality is that the world is neutral to all, since action results in reaction from anything in the world, and the action [suicide] will result in reaction [remorse] for many people who has a "link" or relationship to her. Also, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a person's existence to cause another misery if you think of a "newly created" person as a blank sheet of paper. People cannot hate, or care, without reason (If you can hate or love something and have no reason for that, then truthfully you are hiding your reason). If no reason exists, they cannot hate or care for said entity.
3) It is usually a few individuals involved in making a victim become like them. "Monkey see, monkey do". Remove said individual from the "picture" from the victim.
Yes my wording can be tricky but they do have meanings.
OP is 14 years old, and he and her are childhood friends since 3, meaning both are the same age and knew each other for 11 years. Do not give up hope and continue to pursue her. If you even have a childhood friend that you knew for a long time, you should be supporting her recovery. Plus, you'd be even lucky to have a childhood friend, some people (like me) are loner by nature and don't actively seek friends in real life (well I have my reason too).
If you don't like something. Change it.
As for me personally. In life, I do end up finding out I hate certain outcomes, but I deal with it. I do hate how I was born like so or how something occurred like so, but I still live on, because much worse than living on, is giving up.
Because whining about something shows that you still have an attachment for something.
to help her 100%, you have to know why she started acting scene/emo in the 1st place. If you arent sure, do fun stuff with her (not necessarily "dating" her buy hang out more). Try to make her happy, and when she says something (unless it is along the lines of suicide) agree with her. "My parents are way too harsh" = "yeah, they can be, but hey, its because they don't know better, try talking to them". This is what I would do, the way you do it is probably going to be different, but try to keep the meaning positive. "yeah **** parents" probably wont help.
EDIT: I just re-read it, DUDE, don't tell her to just, "talk to you when she gets better", that might make her think you don't care about you, whatever you do, make sure to talk to her, the simple act of talking to her, about anything, music, movies, school, Mexican food, anything can help. - also, my advice may not seem like it would work for you, and it might not, everyone is different, but try something.
another EDIT: dra6o0n knows his stuff.
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How sad. but i know you feel. My friend once took off to a group of emo freaks. I tried to tell him they are lower than him in the awesome pyramid,but he would not believe me. Thats how he is today.He is not my friend anymore And barely talks to me. But i'm very worried about him once again Because of that story. And that sounds like the group he is in. a person in his group killed himself the same reason. plz tell me:what school you attend.
Today I have lost my best friend.
For about two months now, she had been acting "Scene" and "Emo". Nothing too terrible, just hair dying/ ear piercings. About a week ago, her new "Friends" told her to cut herself, so she did. (At this point I was ready to kid some weak scene kids ass for corrupting my friend) Then, one of the ****ing kids killed himself because he didnt get a phone. His suicide letter read: "My parents hate me, everyone hates me, I hate myself, I'm doing the world a favor" So, now my friend is suicidal. But just recently, she made satan her god.
I am afraid for her life, and I don't know what to do.
I told her to talk to me when she's better.
tl;dr My friend has changed, I need help.
Oh, and I have been her friend since we were 3.
FML
Make a chart.
Show her the downside of Satan.
Tell her ;
"Gosh damn, if Satan's so 'Immensly powerful', then why's he all stuck up in a cave with the heating stuck on high for as long as time will exist?"
Tell her that if she was smart, she would not suicide.
Screw what the other guys said. Date her. Make her feel good. May the power of God, Jesus Christ, and Notch be with you.
she goes to a different school huh..... make a few days a week (3-4), where you meet each-other, and hang out. Again, make sure that you keep talking to her. Go bowling, see a movie, just spend time with her.
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First of all, let me say that I really have no experience in this sort of thing and am going purely off what I believe would be the best way to approach this. Then again, that probably goes for most of the people posting as well. The absolute best thing you could do is get the authorities or a psychiatrist involved if things get out of hand.
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If you can't get her to stop worshiping "Satan" get her to be atheist or agnostic. Lesser of two "evils", if you're religious, that is.
Absolutely not. Think about it. If she's satanic, then she still believes in God. If the ultimate goal is to convert her to Christianity, then what you're suggesting is to convince her that God doesn't exist or might not exist, and then eventually convince her that God DOES exist and that He is who she should be following.
Regardless, do NOT try to force your religion on her. You have to understand and respect first of all that she has a right to believe what she wants to believe, no matter how strongly you disagree. Expressing to her that you understand this concept should in theory persuade her to listen and respect your concerns more. Right now your one and only focus should be to make sure she doesn't do anything drastic and try to get her to talk to you about what's going on. Don't force it. If she starts getting defensive then just back off. Odds are it's just a phase, but the last thing you want is to **** her off and end up doing more harm then good.
It might not be much help, but that's about all I've got. I know it was more what you shouldn't do than what you should do, but I hope it helps. I hope everything works out.
"God loved us so much, that he gave up his only child, the only one of his offspring, to let us live.
Satan despises everything, and if he is so immensly powerful, he wouldn't be cooped up in a hot cave for eternity. Even when you think noone loves you, remember God does. You cannot name ONE thing that God did bad".
Also, you might want to actually date her.
It will make her feel like someone cares, and wants her to be friendly.
Again introduce her to the wonders of minecraft. If satan is so mighty and powerful then why is he stuck in a cave, making you push stuff up a hill, and having the heat on high? God can make anything happen to you in heaven beyond your imagination.
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You better not pout you better not cry you better not kill pigs cause epic piggehs gonna rape you. Im a doctor yet im a cranberry HOW DOES THAT WORK!?!
Give diamonds please?
I'm confused.
The main cause for Scene Kids is Disney Channel and MTV, encouraging people to dress up in revealing outfits, and try to get laid as many times as possible.
Emo Kids believe everything (even the floor) hates them, and their ego succumbs to peer pressure and starts to hate itself. They believe they're causing everyone misery and hate, and cut themselves, in hopes the pain goes away, when in reality, cutting yourself brings MORE pain.
Just sit her down, and tell her she's beginning to lose herself. Ask her why she's doing this. Because it's cool? Because everyone else is doing it? **** peer pressure. I went to school full of PS3 Fanboys and had the balls to say I own and Xbox. I had a few friends who believed Xbox and PS3 should put down their weapons and shake hands, while 97% believed I was the anti-christ. (The ironic thing was, it was a Catholic School). Sure, I lost my hair and dignity. Sure I chickened out of seventh grade. I'm not cutting myself, I'm not mutilating myself, I'm not screaming into a pillow. I just my hair, and now it's grown back.
Tell her that doing what everyon else does proves nothing, but how weak she is. If she was strong, she'd be herself.
I'm an atheist (because of a childhood experience), but I'm cool with God. He's alright. Satan fails, however. He was pretty much a Scene Angel.
"I'm dead, shut up."
Unless she is one of those kids who has to act all 'evil' because they assume thats what satanism is. Then theres a problem.
"I'm dead, shut up."
Cult related stuff that SOMEHOW transpired into social life?
Quite hard to figure out how something this stupid and illogical came into existence, but in order for such fallacy to exist, a belief in doing said action is the catalyst.
Religion. Which led to Cults. Which might lead to whatever you would call this "self-inflicting wound to ease self" thing.
Well on this topic...
The steps:
1) The victim is depressed and emotional and is irrational with her decisions and actions. The proper action to take is to figure a way to make her take one of the possible solution, without causing more problems. Reverse psychology doesn't always works and can sometimes work against you.
2) The victim might not know anything at all about her surrounding (ie: Thinking the world hates her), so it's possible to remind her of her surrounding (family, friends, etc.) and prove to her that they co-exist with her. Reality is that the world is neutral to all, since action results in reaction from anything in the world, and the action [suicide] will result in reaction [remorse] for many people who has a "link" or relationship to her. Also, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a person's existence to cause another misery if you think of a "newly created" person as a blank sheet of paper. People cannot hate, or care, without reason (If you can hate or love something and have no reason for that, then truthfully you are hiding your reason). If no reason exists, they cannot hate or care for said entity.
3) It is usually a few individuals involved in making a victim become like them. "Monkey see, monkey do". Remove said individual from the "picture" from the victim.
Yes my wording can be tricky but they do have meanings.
OP is 14 years old, and he and her are childhood friends since 3, meaning both are the same age and knew each other for 11 years. Do not give up hope and continue to pursue her. If you even have a childhood friend that you knew for a long time, you should be supporting her recovery. Plus, you'd be even lucky to have a childhood friend, some people (like me) are loner by nature and don't actively seek friends in real life (well I have my reason too).
If you don't like something. Change it.
As for me personally. In life, I do end up finding out I hate certain outcomes, but I deal with it. I do hate how I was born like so or how something occurred like so, but I still live on, because much worse than living on, is giving up.
Because whining about something shows that you still have an attachment for something.
EDIT: I just re-read it, DUDE, don't tell her to just, "talk to you when she gets better", that might make her think you don't care about you, whatever you do, make sure to talk to her, the simple act of talking to her, about anything, music, movies, school, Mexican food, anything can help. - also, my advice may not seem like it would work for you, and it might not, everyone is different, but try something.
another EDIT: dra6o0n knows his stuff.
I attend LHS
Make a chart.
Show her the downside of Satan.
Tell her ;
"Gosh damn, if Satan's so 'Immensly powerful', then why's he all stuck up in a cave with the heating stuck on high for as long as time will exist?"
Tell her that if she was smart, she would not suicide.
Screw what the other guys said. Date her. Make her feel good.
May the power of God, Jesus Christ, and Notch be with you.
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Absolutely not. Think about it. If she's satanic, then she still believes in God. If the ultimate goal is to convert her to Christianity, then what you're suggesting is to convince her that God doesn't exist or might not exist, and then eventually convince her that God DOES exist and that He is who she should be following.
Regardless, do NOT try to force your religion on her. You have to understand and respect first of all that she has a right to believe what she wants to believe, no matter how strongly you disagree. Expressing to her that you understand this concept should in theory persuade her to listen and respect your concerns more. Right now your one and only focus should be to make sure she doesn't do anything drastic and try to get her to talk to you about what's going on. Don't force it. If she starts getting defensive then just back off. Odds are it's just a phase, but the last thing you want is to **** her off and end up doing more harm then good.
It might not be much help, but that's about all I've got. I know it was more what you shouldn't do than what you should do, but I hope it helps. I hope everything works out.
"God loved us so much, that he gave up his only child, the only one of his offspring, to let us live.
Satan despises everything, and if he is so immensly powerful, he wouldn't be cooped up in a hot cave for eternity. Even when you think noone loves you, remember God does. You cannot name ONE thing that God did bad".
Also, you might want to actually date her.
It will make her feel like someone cares, and wants her to be friendly.
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