Well, it's officially September 11th everywhere in the lower 48 of the USA now.
This brings us to the 9th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Getting close to a decade now.
I'm just curious... what do you guys do to remember that day? How do you respect the dead, and those that suffered from the attacks? Any stories about that day you wish to share? Just general remembrance stuff. I'm curious as to what the views of the MC community are on 9/11 and 9/11 remembrance.
This is mainly pointed at the Americans here, of course, but anyone can jump in on the conversation.
Oh, and flamers, haters, trollers, and whatever-elsers who wish to disrespect a very sad day in American history and a tremendous loss of life, or who wish to disrespect those who have controversial (but respectfully stated) views/beliefs about 9/11, will be booted off of Freedom Tower personally, by me. Try to keep the discussion civil, no matter how much you disagree with something. This is, after all, a serious subject matter.
-Patriot Day 2010-
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- September 11, 2001
We shall never forget.
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I still remember where I was when I heard about the first tower. It's a shame there is so much controversy this time around, with the mosque at ground zero and the quran-burning pastor.
You may never forget, but will you ever understand?
I sure do. It's a lesson both to take action & preventative measures when you can (9/11 could have been stopped, but certain things that would have stopped it weren't in place), and a lesson in tolerance, to accept the Muslim community as part of America and the world, and that it is radicalism that leads to the worst terrors in the world, not a single religion or culture.
There are plenty of more lessons, of course, but those are two of the biggies. Unfortunately, not everyone seems to get that second one...
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I am glad that you understand the importance of tolerance, but do you understand that 9/11 was not an unprovoked attack?
Edit: The thing that gets me about 9/11 is that tens of thousands of people die in various wars, disasters, famines and nobody in America really gives a ****, then three thousand Americans die and suddenly it's the story of the century, it is really telling of how Americans think of people in other countries.
It is really frightening to me that a nation as concerned about "morality" and "freedom" as America thinks of foreigners as some kind of inhuman mass without any individuality or humanity, especially a nation as armed as America...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20100907/pl_usnw/DC60870
And now for my opinion on 9/11. We all talk about how we mourn grievously for the affected individuals and the loss of two grand buildings, right? Yet for those of us who did not lose friends, family, and the likes should would we really mourn? Speak out on it? Or should we just have a moment of silence to pay respect to those families who actually DID lose friends and family.
Story/reflection/history time kiddies, from Uncle Mally Hally.
I was across the Hudson River, going to school (6th) in good old Brooklyn and then... lock down till the end of school. It was an odd walk home. As with the morning, the sky was clear in the afternoon but there was an uneasy feeling in the air. It was a similar feeling to the day I learned that one of my grandparents passed. Same clear weather but with a very odd feeling in the air.
When I got home and watched the rerun of the attack... eh. I didn't think much of it then but nine years later at age 21? I see it differently than I did back then. If I was 21 back then, well, I might have joined the armed forces despite my poor physical condition. Gladly I was not since with vast hindsight, I would of been sweep in a patriotic fever that blinded many people. Being young and watchful of events concerning what 9/11 sparked... I hopefully learned many things from my "elders" concerning what to do and how to react in time of crisis, fear and uncertainty. One thing is to not to overreact, that is for damn sure (Iraq).
Now with the current controversies with the Mosque near Ground Zero and the Koran Burning that might happen today... this **** might get dead serious. I think years of not being able to get Osama to finish the fight and with our current hardships are starting to convert to deep suspicion and hatred of Islam. As coolpilot said, Islam is not we should be after, it is the radical movements within Islam, which in my opinion should not be even consider Islamic in nature in any way. I have known many Islamic folks and they are normal and fine. Yes, they have a different set of cultural rules and norms but besides that, they are good people. I know for sure that they can cook some great food.
Well, now to get back to preparing for the next attack since... face it. It will come. I don't expect planes flying into skyscrapers but... just... whatever. That damn "pastor" better not get his flock to burn those Korans.
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I am glad that you understand the importance of tolerance, but do you understand that 9/11 was not an unprovoked attack?
Edit: The thing that gets me about 9/11 is that tens of thousands of people die in various wars, disasters, famines and nobody in America really gives a ****, then three thousand Americans die and suddenly it's the story of the century, it is really telling of how Americans think of people in other countries.
It is really frightening to me that a nation as concerned about "morality" and "freedom" as America thinks of foreigners as some kind of inhuman mass without any individuality or humanity, especially a nation as armed as America...
Can't speak for coolpilot but yes I know that it was not an unprovoked attack. The United States had it coming with it's political ******** in the Middle East that started soon after or even before the end of World war II. Speak to anybody from the Middle East and you'll know where the seeds of 9/11 and the terrorists that pulled came about.
And really, for your edit... does people in any one town or any one neighborhood from anywhere in the world care about what happens across town? Chances are, no. Even if it was a "yes", it would only be short lived unless it affected them directly. Now apply it to a global scale. Chances are the answer will remain the same, more or less.
This attribute is universal to the whole of humanity or at least pretty near it.
The United States in my mind is quite unique in the history of superpowers. We have a Constitution which grants pretty much anyone the chance to do almost anything they want. It wasn't always this way but from it's creation, the Constitution has evolved into what it is today because it was designed in such a way that it allows it to happen. Now we value freedom quite a bit because what the Constitution and its amendments grants.
However, we are still human, like the rest of humanity. Add in the role of being a superpower and well... we have what we have got. We got the Team America, The World Police.
Really, if it wasn't us, it would be some other country to take the superpower role to be hated on. Before the end of World War II (And effectively, before World War I), it was the British who was the superpower with numerous other sea faring European (For the most part) countries. They took a dump on each other and the people they conquered decided to take a dump on them. Moving back even further... we got the Romans. Those "barbarians" sure hated the Romans.
Meh, enough late night ranting... to close... at least its the United States that won out, not a super powerful Soviet superpower. Next up the bat maybe China... no rest for being connected to America and China for being Chinese American...
/rant /wake
Edit: Holy ****, big ass rant. Finally see it in its whole... sorry.
I was too young to care.
It's a great tragedy, but I can't really say the event itself directly affected my life in any way.
I was at school anyway, I didn't learn about it until.. a few hours after I got home?
Edit: I didn't even bother reading the thread, in fear that sand people would destroy my city.
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I shall be leashing it, and taking it for a walk across someone's crops. If they glassed the top, I shall destroy, and then walk.
By day, innocent Cobblestone manufacturer. By night, malicious pig-walker.
I was too young to remember the day, but I have a clear image in my mind of what happened and where I was.
And don't give me crap about tolerance. I don't hate muslims, but I'm not taking any crap from them, IN THEIR KORAN is stuff about holy war and jihad. Not to mention they pretty much completely INSULT women thinking that they're unfit and force them to wear clothing, and I'm SURE that a lot of those women would love to not be muslim, but they can't do anything about it.
Plus, the imam basically threatened the USA in that interview. Let us build the mosque there or else your soldiers will die? I don't think so. That guy in Florida is just as radical, but he wasn't making any threats. Although I expect he'll get killed in 'unknown circumstances' some time later.
tl;dr The Islam faith is a radical one, which instructs people to commit crimes like this, and they'll go straight to heaven.
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I was too young to remember the day, but I have a clear image in my mind of what happened and where I was.
And don't give me crap about tolerance. I don't hate muslims, but I'm not taking any crap from them, IN THEIR KORAN is stuff about holy war and jihad. Not to mention they pretty much completely INSULT women thinking that they're unfit and force them to wear clothing, and I'm SURE that a lot of those women would love to not be muslim, but they can't do anything about it.
Plus, the imam basically threatened the USA in that interview. Let us build the mosque there or else your soldiers will die? I don't think so. That guy in Florida is just as radical, but he wasn't making any threats. Although I expect he'll get killed in 'unknown circumstances' some time later.
tl;dr The Islam faith is a radical one, which instructs people to commit crimes like this, and they'll go straight to heaven.
Incorrect.
The Muslim religion actually practices peace and harmony.
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I shall be leashing it, and taking it for a walk across someone's crops. If they glassed the top, I shall destroy, and then walk.
By day, innocent Cobblestone manufacturer. By night, malicious pig-walker.
I was too young to remember the day, but I have a clear image in my mind of what happened and where I was.
And don't give me crap about tolerance. I don't hate muslims, but I'm not taking any crap from them, IN THEIR KORAN is stuff about holy war and jihad. Not to mention they pretty much completely INSULT women thinking that they're unfit and force them to wear clothing, and I'm SURE that a lot of those women would love to not be muslim, but they can't do anything about it.
Plus, the imam basically threatened the USA in that interview. Let us build the mosque there or else your soldiers will die? I don't think so. That guy in Florida is just as radical, but he wasn't making any threats. Although I expect he'll get killed in 'unknown circumstances' some time later.
tl;dr The Islam faith is a radical one, which instructs people to commit crimes like this, and they'll go straight to heaven.
...Those are extremist and radicals. Christianity and Judaism has them too, along with every other religion and faith.
I was too young to remember the day, but I have a clear image in my mind of what happened and where I was.
And don't give me crap about tolerance. I don't hate muslims, but I'm not taking any crap from them, IN THEIR KORAN is stuff about holy war and jihad. Not to mention they pretty much completely INSULT women thinking that they're unfit and force them to wear clothing, and I'm SURE that a lot of those women would love to not be muslim, but they can't do anything about it.
Plus, the imam basically threatened the USA in that interview. Let us build the mosque there or else your soldiers will die? I don't think so. That guy in Florida is just as radical, but he wasn't making any threats. Although I expect he'll get killed in 'unknown circumstances' some time later.
tl;dr The Islam faith is a radical one, which instructs people to commit crimes like this, and they'll go straight to heaven.
"God" killed more people in the bible, why shouldn't we have a holiday for that?
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I shall be leashing it, and taking it for a walk across someone's crops. If they glassed the top, I shall destroy, and then walk.
By day, innocent Cobblestone manufacturer. By night, malicious pig-walker.
I am glad that you understand the importance of tolerance, but do you understand that 9/11 was not an unprovoked attack?
Edit: The thing that gets me about 9/11 is that tens of thousands of people die in various wars, disasters, famines and nobody in America really gives a ****, then three thousand Americans die and suddenly it's the story of the century, it is really telling of how Americans think of people in other countries.
It is really frightening to me that a nation as concerned about "morality" and "freedom" as America thinks of foreigners as some kind of inhuman mass without any individuality or humanity, especially a nation as armed as America...
This man says it all. I'm not mourning for anyone on September 11 because I didn't know anyone who DID die on that day. Simple as that. :biggrin.gif:
Jihad is not holy war. Jihad is a struggle for good. It could be working hard in a mosque, or quitting smoking, or something to that effect.
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Not to mention they pretty much completely INSULT women thinking that they're unfit and force them to wear clothing, and I'm SURE that a lot of those women would love to not be muslim, but they can't do anything about it.
That kind is stuff is not religious, it is cultural. There are Christian women from Mulsim countries such as Lebanon that live in non-Muslim countries, yet still wear the clothes because it is their own culture. Not to mention that this stuff didn't show up before about 1950. And I hope you realize that in the Quran it specifically said that there is no complusion in religion. You don't have to follow the Muslim faith to be a Muslim, nor do you have to follow it at all.
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Plus, the imam basically threatened the USA in that interview. Let us build the mosque there or else your soldiers will die?
He was being logical. People from groups such as Hamas had publicly stated their support for the project. The imam was saying that if the mosque was not built there, those radical groups might get angry and more aggressively kill American soldiers. Would I be threatening you if I told you not to go outside because there is a crazed gunman shooting people up right outside your door?
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I don't think so. That guy in Florida is just as radical, but he wasn't making any threats. Although I expect he'll get killed in 'unknown circumstances' some time later.
Because saying that unless a harmless community center is moved, he's going to burn a holy book that will have the direct consequences of causing extremist groups to hate not only American troops, but American citizens, and provoking them to kill not only more troops, but more citizens as well, isn't a threat. If what the imam said is a threat, then what is this? Directly murdering American citizens?
Almost lost a close relative in 9/11. She was in the first tower and was so shocked she couldn't move. Luckily a couple of passing women pulled her into a nearby elevator and she got out unscratched.
I was too young to get it when it happened (first grade). But now, quite obviously I do.
I think the reason why people were so upset about it was simply because those in the towers/planes were innocent civilians. It's different from war because those who fight CHOSE to do so. The victims of 9/11 didn't really have that choice.
Although it was a tragedy, I think it's about time as a country that we move on from it. It's been nine years, and treating it like it was the worst thing that ever happened only makes things worse. The terrorists wanted us to be terrorized, and it worked. I mean, it's not like it's the first time any country has ever been attacked on their own soil-it's just that America was under the impression it was indestructible.
So, unless you have a direct relative/friend involved, I would think we should try to move on as a country from 9/11.
This brings us to the 9th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Getting close to a decade now.
I'm just curious... what do you guys do to remember that day? How do you respect the dead, and those that suffered from the attacks? Any stories about that day you wish to share? Just general remembrance stuff. I'm curious as to what the views of the MC community are on 9/11 and 9/11 remembrance.
This is mainly pointed at the Americans here, of course, but anyone can jump in on the conversation.
Oh, and flamers, haters, trollers, and whatever-elsers who wish to disrespect a very sad day in American history and a tremendous loss of life, or who wish to disrespect those who have controversial (but respectfully stated) views/beliefs about 9/11, will be booted off of Freedom Tower personally, by me. Try to keep the discussion civil, no matter how much you disagree with something. This is, after all, a serious subject matter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
September 11, 2001
We shall never forget.
I sure do. It's a lesson both to take action & preventative measures when you can (9/11 could have been stopped, but certain things that would have stopped it weren't in place), and a lesson in tolerance, to accept the Muslim community as part of America and the world, and that it is radicalism that leads to the worst terrors in the world, not a single religion or culture.
There are plenty of more lessons, of course, but those are two of the biggies. Unfortunately, not everyone seems to get that second one...
Edit: The thing that gets me about 9/11 is that tens of thousands of people die in various wars, disasters, famines and nobody in America really gives a ****, then three thousand Americans die and suddenly it's the story of the century, it is really telling of how Americans think of people in other countries.
It is really frightening to me that a nation as concerned about "morality" and "freedom" as America thinks of foreigners as some kind of inhuman mass without any individuality or humanity, especially a nation as armed as America...
And now for my opinion on 9/11. We all talk about how we mourn grievously for the affected individuals and the loss of two grand buildings, right? Yet for those of us who did not lose friends, family, and the likes should would we really mourn? Speak out on it? Or should we just have a moment of silence to pay respect to those families who actually DID lose friends and family.
I was across the Hudson River, going to school (6th) in good old Brooklyn and then... lock down till the end of school. It was an odd walk home. As with the morning, the sky was clear in the afternoon but there was an uneasy feeling in the air. It was a similar feeling to the day I learned that one of my grandparents passed. Same clear weather but with a very odd feeling in the air.
When I got home and watched the rerun of the attack... eh. I didn't think much of it then but nine years later at age 21? I see it differently than I did back then. If I was 21 back then, well, I might have joined the armed forces despite my poor physical condition. Gladly I was not since with vast hindsight, I would of been sweep in a patriotic fever that blinded many people. Being young and watchful of events concerning what 9/11 sparked... I hopefully learned many things from my "elders" concerning what to do and how to react in time of crisis, fear and uncertainty. One thing is to not to overreact, that is for damn sure (Iraq).
Now with the current controversies with the Mosque near Ground Zero and the Koran Burning that might happen today... this **** might get dead serious. I think years of not being able to get Osama to finish the fight and with our current hardships are starting to convert to deep suspicion and hatred of Islam. As coolpilot said, Islam is not we should be after, it is the radical movements within Islam, which in my opinion should not be even consider Islamic in nature in any way. I have known many Islamic folks and they are normal and fine. Yes, they have a different set of cultural rules and norms but besides that, they are good people. I know for sure that they can cook some great food.
Well, now to get back to preparing for the next attack since... face it. It will come. I don't expect planes flying into skyscrapers but... just... whatever. That damn "pastor" better not get his flock to burn those Korans.
Can't speak for coolpilot but yes I know that it was not an unprovoked attack. The United States had it coming with it's political ******** in the Middle East that started soon after or even before the end of World war II. Speak to anybody from the Middle East and you'll know where the seeds of 9/11 and the terrorists that pulled came about.
And really, for your edit... does people in any one town or any one neighborhood from anywhere in the world care about what happens across town? Chances are, no. Even if it was a "yes", it would only be short lived unless it affected them directly. Now apply it to a global scale. Chances are the answer will remain the same, more or less.
This attribute is universal to the whole of humanity or at least pretty near it.
The United States in my mind is quite unique in the history of superpowers. We have a Constitution which grants pretty much anyone the chance to do almost anything they want. It wasn't always this way but from it's creation, the Constitution has evolved into what it is today because it was designed in such a way that it allows it to happen. Now we value freedom quite a bit because what the Constitution and its amendments grants.
However, we are still human, like the rest of humanity. Add in the role of being a superpower and well... we have what we have got. We got the Team America, The World Police.
Really, if it wasn't us, it would be some other country to take the superpower role to be hated on. Before the end of World War II (And effectively, before World War I), it was the British who was the superpower with numerous other sea faring European (For the most part) countries. They took a dump on each other and the people they conquered decided to take a dump on them. Moving back even further... we got the Romans. Those "barbarians" sure hated the Romans.
Meh, enough late night ranting... to close... at least its the United States that won out, not a super powerful Soviet superpower. Next up the bat maybe China... no rest for being connected to America and China for being Chinese American...
/rant /wake
Edit: Holy ****, big ass rant. Finally see it in its whole... sorry.
See? I'm not so malicious...
It's a great tragedy, but I can't really say the event itself directly affected my life in any way.
I was at school anyway, I didn't learn about it until.. a few hours after I got home?
I shall not participate.
Edit: I didn't even bother reading the thread, in fear that sand people would destroy my city.
And don't give me crap about tolerance. I don't hate muslims, but I'm not taking any crap from them, IN THEIR KORAN is stuff about holy war and jihad. Not to mention they pretty much completely INSULT women thinking that they're unfit and force them to wear clothing, and I'm SURE that a lot of those women would love to not be muslim, but they can't do anything about it.
Plus, the imam basically threatened the USA in that interview. Let us build the mosque there or else your soldiers will die? I don't think so. That guy in Florida is just as radical, but he wasn't making any threats. Although I expect he'll get killed in 'unknown circumstances' some time later.
tl;dr The Islam faith is a radical one, which instructs people to commit crimes like this, and they'll go straight to heaven.
Raise my dragons please!!
Incorrect.
The Muslim religion actually practices peace and harmony.
...Those are extremist and radicals. Christianity and Judaism has them too, along with every other religion and faith.
our government did it
This man says it all. I'm not mourning for anyone on September 11 because I didn't know anyone who DID die on that day. Simple as that. :biggrin.gif:
Jihad is not holy war. Jihad is a struggle for good. It could be working hard in a mosque, or quitting smoking, or something to that effect.
That kind is stuff is not religious, it is cultural. There are Christian women from Mulsim countries such as Lebanon that live in non-Muslim countries, yet still wear the clothes because it is their own culture. Not to mention that this stuff didn't show up before about 1950. And I hope you realize that in the Quran it specifically said that there is no complusion in religion. You don't have to follow the Muslim faith to be a Muslim, nor do you have to follow it at all.
He was being logical. People from groups such as Hamas had publicly stated their support for the project. The imam was saying that if the mosque was not built there, those radical groups might get angry and more aggressively kill American soldiers. Would I be threatening you if I told you not to go outside because there is a crazed gunman shooting people up right outside your door?
Because saying that unless a harmless community center is moved, he's going to burn a holy book that will have the direct consequences of causing extremist groups to hate not only American troops, but American citizens, and provoking them to kill not only more troops, but more citizens as well, isn't a threat. If what the imam said is a threat, then what is this? Directly murdering American citizens?
I think the reason why people were so upset about it was simply because those in the towers/planes were innocent civilians. It's different from war because those who fight CHOSE to do so. The victims of 9/11 didn't really have that choice.
Although it was a tragedy, I think it's about time as a country that we move on from it. It's been nine years, and treating it like it was the worst thing that ever happened only makes things worse. The terrorists wanted us to be terrorized, and it worked. I mean, it's not like it's the first time any country has ever been attacked on their own soil-it's just that America was under the impression it was indestructible.
So, unless you have a direct relative/friend involved, I would think we should try to move on as a country from 9/11.