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This thread is full of fail.

http://www.7tutorials.com/what-windows-8-haters-don-t-understand-about-windows-8

Also, if they are too ****ing lazy to port Steam to WinRT, they can get ****ed. Basically it sounds like "Oh no, MS is going to do something we are doing but they are going to do it better, and this totally isn't our fault for resting on the laurels of worse is better". I love the part where "Oh no, people might use the windows App store instead of our product!" Err... OK, except there are two problems: If somebody knows about and wants steam, which is a lot of people, they will be able to easily download and install/run it with Windows 8 anyways. And people that don't know about it at this point probably aren't going to give two shits about it either. Hell For the last year I've been unable to play games I bought because I don't have an internet connection. for Single Player Games. and I can't "prepare it for offline use" because... there is no ****ing network connection. it's no wonder people are turning to piracy in droves, the software management by the big name game software companies is ****ing awful.

I finally got around to using Windows 8 a few days ago. It was only for a short time, but in that short time I was unable to determine what the **** everybody is bitching about. The best I can gather is people don't like change. That's really all I could see.. some changes. And best of all all my muscle memory still worked (windows key and type to search worked regardless of if I was in metro or not) That said, though, I did end up switching to the standard Desktop instead, simply because as a long-time user of Windows and the conventional taskbar-start menu I found the new arrangement inconvenient (and I was trying to do things other than learn the new method so I switched). I did the same thing with almost every single version of windows before anyway; XP upon first install got reset to classic everything, for example. I avoided Office 2007 for ages because I didn't like the ribbon but I had to use it one time and after a bit of time I found it a lot faster and easier and usable with fewer keystrokes or mouse clicks.

As for the "lack" of a start menu, I don't miss it any more than I missed Program Manager from Windows 95. Exact same ****ing deal, really.

I think it all comes down to people's inbuilt stubbornness and refusal to accept changes.

• Windows 3.1x (1992) - Good
• Windows 95 (1995) - Mixed bag, at the beginning it sucked

is this referring to Windows 3.1x? Did Windows 3.0 suck before 3.1x? and at what point did Windows95 stop sucking? I would argue that it was when people started to accept the changes. windows95 didn't have any Service packs that fixed any major suck issues early on, so the only variable was people, and they started to accept it. If something doesn't change, than it isn't going from a "it sucks" to a "it doesn't suck" state, it's the people who are changing,

• Windows 98 (1998) - Good
• Windows ME (2000) - Sucked (hard)

I've run both 98SE and ME, and I still have no ****ing clue what people are talking about with regards to ME sucking. Windows 98 is certainly not better than it by any metric, with the exception of allowing DOS mode boot. On the other hand, I actually had a clean install of ME and not a machine with ME pre-installed with a ****ton of crapware.

• Windows XP (2001) - Good

sound
familiar?

XP was universally panned as a useless piece of **** OS by at least as many (and probably the same) people who think Vista is terrible. No doubt they are the same people who hated Windows 95 and the taskbar and petititoned Microsoft to make Program Manager the default again. Basically, these people are morons who cannot even learn from their own mistakes. First they hate the OS, than they accept it, and when a new version is released suddenly they claim to have been devout fans of the previous one, apparently forgetting those death threats sent to Bill gates for unleashing the XP Help and Support center on them, for which the resounding complain was essentially that it was different than winhelp or HTML help, and thus is bad.

• Windows Vista (2006) - Sucked although not as hard as ME

Same as above. I cannot think of any reason that Vista would suck. Especially compared to Windows 7, for which there are scant but minor tweaks.

• Windows 7 (2009) - Good
• Windows 8 (2012?) - ???

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The only thing that is inherently good/better about Windows 7 compared to Windows Vista in a major way was the different marketing approach. That's all.

That said, I probably won't move to it as my main OS for a while, for two reasons:

1. Windows 7 has worked fine for me, and Win8 doesn't fundamentally give me anything I need
2. I don't want the hassle of a clean install, and upgrade installations are not the best way to experience a new OS properly. Many of the problems with ME and Vista was people upgrading from Windows 98 and XP respectively to the newer OS; upgrade installations basically mean you take all your crap with you, and compatibility concerns were a problem paired with the fact that the systems were often underpowered for the newer OS, especially in the latter case, left a bad taste in the mouths of those who used them.

Quote from Hlywood

So in a nutshell, the default windows 8 has no desktop. It has basicially an app store and a start bar. So Gabe fears people will turn to publishing games on the "app store" rather than on steam. And since steam is an application that has to be found and downloaded, he figures people who do not know about steam will simply check the app store for games.

Uhhhhhhh about the no desktop thing.



The app store still lacks quite a few features of Steam and I doubt games will quit using it any time soon.

Also if they hate app stores why the **** are they moving to Ubuntu.


Notice how Ubuntu has a market and it has games.

Quote from Sillen

Oh look, it's BC_Programming defending Microsoft, the only one in this thread doing it. Maybe it's because he relies so much on their products and does not want what he has invested so much time into to be hated on?

Oh, and most gamers are probably going to stick with Windows 7 for as long as Microsoft keeps supporting it.

He is not defending them he is just being truth full.

In all honesty Windows 8 UI is not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be most people just hate change.

Quote from DawnOfNights

That would be awesome! An Os based on Vlave, sweet!
That is something I would buy, not this piece of crap windows 8.

Ya except that it would only have valve games because everyone else is still going to use DirectX unless MS ****s up something.

Ya that stupid Windows 8 with its optimizations to lower memory usage and the new scheduler that is giving some cpus gains in the 6-10% range.


If you hate Windows 8 program menu then never switch to a Linux distro the vast majority of DE have a similar set up.