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We've passed the recruitment phase really. If people join now, they gonna have to have enough interest that they wouldn't do that anyway.
At this point, Precipice is an institution, and we should be more worried about preserving and boiling it down rather then making it easier to join.
We made a deal for one, as well as doing research at the UND scientific headquarters in New England on jet technology.
So I assume, considering South American mineral reserves, we might have churned out a few in the last few years.
And Ethiopia would still have those, I seem to remember 100 of them.
As international economics concerns there are three levels. In order of least capable to most: [mineral] producer, manufacturer, and service economy.
The Brazilian economy in the early part of the twentieth century was set primarily in agriculture, particularly in the production of coffee.
Real World Brazilian economic reforms let loose a period that it was highly dependent on imports in its bid to transition out of an agricultural economy in the sixties after centralization reforms during the 1930's revolution. But even in the events of the 1930's, the new Federal Government was still highly involved in protectionist policies to defend the Coffee Economy and its major agricultural sector. And even around there, and for some point later, Brazilian industrial growth was basically what is seen in Modern mexico: textiles.
The current economic measure I think you're using - modern Brazil - is really an effect of a culmination of events stemming from a Second Great War where enterprise found a viable window to enter through in the post-war days, and a gradual rise of industry from the earlier reforms.
In so far as I can see, since the world never got that World War 2 the window for an easy path to industrialization never happened and is probably somewhere in the transition of an agricultural economy to Industry Lite, if not a little passed that having moved on from making T-shirts and going into making maybe radios.
There's also the political instability Vilage and I poked at in the US between divergence and 1970 that would have made Wallstreet a little iffy maybe with the amount of reforms and anti-reforms that moved through them and the British banking sphere getting nuked and still being dead.
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Also, I posted. And Revan. How fabulous.
Shh! Neither of you get jets! If we keep havin' to say this, we gonna hafta take out a newspaper and starting boppin' yah on the noses.
Ethiopia's Sukhoi's are in poor condition. Ten years old, and in a country that doesn't have the technology to upkeep them correctly or backwards engineer them.
I'm not sure New England would be economically stable enough to quickly and efficiently backwards engineer a Sukhoi for the Brazillians, so if they have one at all it would be less useful then even the junk that the Ethiopians have languishing in some shed somewhere.
And Germany... has no reason to have jets. They'd have to have invented them from scratch, since neither China nor Spain is going to be sharing with them. (no Ethiopia... nor Brazil...)
The US too would have been in that spectrum. Too alone, and without any significant allies to let look and examine their small fleet of jets. The only other person that got them would have bee Florida when they rebelled, having stolen a few wings. And they were upgraded to being a general all-South rebellion.
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And I bring into question the new technology being proposed in the post.
Prussia has no sea access to the Black Sea. There is plainly no logical way they could have destroyed it. And even besides the question of sense, it was Keen's last post, his dying wish if you will and likely the only remaining part of his legacy once this all goes down. The least you could do is not destroy it considering how OP Prussia's invasion is already, destroying half of Poland's navy in one attack and all and what appears to be an unchallenged bombing campaign of its cities from both the Caucasus and the Prussian mainland. Nevermind how you got planes into the Caucasus anyway.
I'm not calling for a review of the entire Prussian invasion, just saying something doesn't make any logical or canonical sense.
And that technology has been under development since 1976, as clearly enumerated in my previous posts.
I've told you several times now. Keen wasn't around to verify. You weren't around to confirm either way. We had to guess. And so we did. It's not hard to simply assume it was being built on the Baltic Sea. We've ret-conned bigger things for the sake of the RP. And it's not like we meant any wrong when we guessed it'd be on the Baltic Sea. We just guessed and moved on with our story.
They don't? They can't sail into the Mediterranean and up into the Black Sea? Of course they can. In fact, those ships were there long before I planned to invade Poland. They were there dealing with the Armenians. And if they can't, how can Brazil make regular trips across the Atlantic?
But it does make sense.
And if i remember correctly, Keen left saying Poland was up for grabs and whatnot cause he wasn't certain when, or if he would ever come back. We can't make Poland a no-fire zone simply because Keen is away.
Explain to me how it is OP.
And then, for good measure, explain to me how Brazil's everything isn't OP in comparison.
It's not completely unchallenged. Freddy's claim to the Russian territories is one of a few reasons I could list. And Prussia isn't attacking from the Caucasus. I don't know where you got that from.
It makes perfect sense.
What doesn't make sense is Brazil being what it is in the RP. Brazil making trips across the Atlantic like they can. Brazil sending people across the world when they have bigger issues domestically. Brazil being able to afford the crap they have/do. I could go on for a while on things that make little sense with Brazil. I could go on for several days if I had enough food and water to properly review all the questionable stuff you've done since the start.
I would buy that if it wasn't clearly stated on the post that it was in the Black Sea. If you put more effort into looking for it, you would have found the post.
Yes, you can. But did you say you were sailing there prior? No. Does everyone question me when I have forces mysteriously appear and not mentioning I sent them? Yes.
Up for grabs means you can play as them, not blow their nation to bits without much of a fight.
I saw you were bombing the Ukraine, specifically Odessa. Unless you're bombing it from all the way across the Slavic Union without being shot down along the way (which would be quite OP) you must be bombing it from the Caucasus or Turkey. It may have been a thing that Tempest did without you noticing.
Unchallenged meaning in all of your posts I don't see the Polish really resisting in any meaningful way. It seems like a one-sided slaughter. The entirety of Poland's Baltic navy being destroyed without any news of a single ship of yours being sunk. Bombing places all over Poland and Ukraine, no evident air resistance, anti-air guns.
Brazil has sent troops four places in their entire time in the RP, the Russian Republic, New England, Australia, and Central America. The last one of these is not even a very sea-based operation. For the most part I've been refraining from those types of actions since 1976 since I knew that it was too much at the time. The only one since then was the UND intervention in Australia. The technological advancements,as few as they are, were commissioned by the UND and supported by other nations' know-how and funding. In essence, all I've developed is a new tank which is up-to-date with the mid-70s, some rockets and a type of bomb. The only reason it seems so outrageous is you keep on bringing it up over and over. And considering that according to time, I haven't sent any troops anywhere for three years, I don't feel like sending troops to help Poland is overly absurd.
Yes, because it would have been so much harder for us to make the exact same post, but with the word 'Odessa' changed to 'Gdansk'
/sarcasm
It would have been the same amount of work. We get nothing from making the post take place on either port. There was nothing to gain; there was no reason to lie. It was an honest mistake. A very insignificant one, too. So I don't see the big deal.
Both coasts are being hit anyway. So either way the Indomitable is dead.
They didn't mysteriously appear there. It was part of my public agreement with Evan that, during the timskip years, Prussia sent forces to Turkey, including ships that helped take and patrol the Black Sea and its coasts. Those same forces, now withdrawn from Armenia, are part of the forces invading Ukraine. They didn't magically appear there. They were there the whole time. And I even made a post where Frederick announced they were changing course for Ukraine.
Anyone can attack any NPC nation.
And there will be a fight. We just haven't gotten there yet since, you know, we're only like, a handful of posts in. And hell, even in those few posts Tempest mentioned some Prussian losses, which included ships and aircraft. I plan to go further, but with time. These were surprise attacks, after all. And those are always one-sided.
It's being bombed from sea - the Black Sea.
See above.
You really shouldn't go arguing points after just skimming through people's posts.
I'm arguing that you couldn't destroy it with what you're sending. Perhaps you bombed them, and there's some damage, but you wouldn't have submarines in place to take anything down. If you don't have air bases in Turkey/the Caucasus, then there's no way you could have sent air forces all that way either. And without the support from the Prussian mainland, defeating them would be substantially more difficult if not impossible right next to the Ukranian mainland.
Fair enough, but within eight hours you would think they would be able to regroup sufficiently to not all die.
Do you have aircraft carriers?
I did read them, but the losses seem so insignificant as to not even matter.
This would be a decent point if we were assuming the Indomitable was docked in Ukraine. But we're not. We're now assuming it was docked with the Baltic fleet.
I don't see why not.
This is a fair point, but not one we can't look passed. It really isn't hard to believe they made it work. They could have taken off from Turkey, or the Caucasus. A lot of them, like the airships, could have probably took off from sea itself. There's a lot that could have been done to circumvent the lack of aircraft carriers. Maybe it was my mistake that I didn't mention it, but I was rushed enough as it was, with Tempest asking me to post, plus my usual ADHD-induced laziness/unproductivity.
As for ground forces, I am doing all this on the assumption that Ukraine is significantly less protected than Poland. Seeing as 1) It's a recently-taken territory, 2) It's not as important (to the Poles, at least)nor threatened, 3) The Baltic fleet was attacked first, and so Poland would have been focused on that at the time of their landing, which would have scattered their troops northward. All this mixed with plain-and-simple confidence on my part.
I have changed my post.
I've said it too many times, and I think it is oftentimes missed. This ain't a game. You have to learn how to take your place in the story and play it up. There is a hierarchy of power. China and Spain are first tier, Germany and Canada second, and Brazil and Ethiopia third. That is the way it works. Not wearing your place correctly will make your part of the story poor.
I think Canada lost that category long ago. That spot may be Japan or France's, perhaps.
But it is understood.