Well i'm buying a new PC later on today, and I thought I may as well get some opinions before it's finalized.
Processor: Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Tubro)
Ram: Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB (4x8GB) DDR3 1600
Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce GTX770 ACX Superclocked 2GB
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth Z77
If you want to know exactly what i'm getting click here and click Load Config and enter 10009093 https://www.stealthm...hp?computerid=3
Stealthmachines because I need financing that's not overseas because well I simply can't afford 3.5k in a single day, mainly because my job doesn't make me rich XD.
edit: Before somebody says "Why no RAID", I don't need raid because i'm using each HD to help me organize. For example my SSD is going to host my OS and other confidental files that I can't afford to lose. While my second HD is going to host my game installations and program files. Lastly my 3rd HD is going to host my recorded videos, torrents, and anything else that takes up a lot of room :3.
Yeah pretty much, I need the financing and I have no idea how to even put together all the hardware (I'm more of a software guy/script kiddie although it is fairly obvious that I know somewhat what i'm talking about when I build a pc, just can't do the physical side of it and actually put it together lol.
What are you going to do with this? Are you actually going to use something that requires that much RAM?
Run 15 instances of Skyrim ofc. Lol no but I don't actually plan to buy a pc for a long time after this so this needs to be the best as I can get it to survive the time. Plus I run a lot of high-requirement games and use a lot of high-requirement programs for projects that I work on and hobby projects.
Yeah pretty much, I need the financing and I have no idea how to even put together all the hardware (I'm more of a software guy/script kiddie although it is fairly obvious that I know somewhat what i'm talking about when I build a pc, just can't do the physical side of it and actually put it together lol.
So you are saying you want our help to help you hack?
That's by far the most ignorant post I've ever seen.
You haven't seen the worst man, there are seriously people on here who think you need 32gb of RAM and people who think its okay to pair a $130 CPU with a $450 GPU
Since you need to get a prebuilt in order to finance it, I would recommend using Avadirect instead. They have much better pricing compared to the side you had configured a computer on. If you go to the below link, you can configure a system with a 3770k, Z77 motherboard, aftermarket cooler and paste, an HD 7950 graphics card, 16GB of RAM, a 650W Seasonic power supply, a 120GB SSD, and two 2TB hard drives for about $1800. That's a lot more affordable than your original computer and a bit more reasonable specs wise as well. That price is also including Windows 7 ultimate as well since you had that in your configuration.
Are you sure you need the features of Windows Ultimate though? If you don't need it you can save some money switching to Home Premium.
You haven't seen the worst man, there are seriously people on here who think you need 32gb of RAM and people who think its okay to pair a $130 CPU with a $450 GPU
A $130 CPU is more than enough for a $450 GPU, if you and I are thinking of the same CPU. Hell, an OC'd 4300 or 3240 can handle a 7970 just fine.
Get one 8GB stick of RAM, then upgrade with another 8GB stick of RAM if needed. If you can't do that, get 2x4GB then get another 2x4GB down the road. I sincerely doubt it will be needed. And please, for the love of god, don't get that overpriced Dominator Platinum crap. Get the cheapest stuff available.
i5 4670k @ 4.9GHz - Stock Heatsink - The rest is melted silicon but I think I have a graphics card in there somewhere It surprises me how many people on this forum can't read benchmarks.
Get one 8GB stick of RAM, then upgrade with another 8GB stick of RAM if needed. If you can't do that, get 2x4GB then get another 2x4GB down the road. I sincerely doubt it will be needed. And please, for the love of god, don't get that overpriced Dominator Platinum crap. Get the cheapest stuff available.
I'm just assuming for now that he'll need at least 16GB because 32GB is most likely unnecessary. That way the price will most likely just go down if anything gets changed, since the parts I used to get the price were already quality pieces. I do agree that the regular Platinum RAM isn't really worth it, but the new Dominator RAM with the color strip on top are kind of nice. They're not as tall as the Vengeance and aren't as expensive as the Platinum's.
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Since you need to get a prebuilt in order to finance it, I would recommend using Avadirect instead. They have much better pricing compared to the side you had configured a computer on. If you go to the below link, you can configure a system with a 3770k, Z77 motherboard, aftermarket cooler and paste, an HD 7950 graphics card, 16GB of RAM, a 650W Seasonic power supply, a 120GB SSD, and two 2TB hard drives for about $1800. That's a lot more affordable than your original computer and a bit more reasonable specs wise as well. That price is also including Windows 7 ultimate as well since you had that in your configuration.
Are you sure you need the features of Windows Ultimate though? If you don't need it you can save some money switching to Home Premium.
I went on AVADirect after you quoted this, I started customizing and I couldn't see any HD that go past 1TB which is a problem because I need at least 3TB (I currently use a external HD with a capacity of 5TB, but I don't really it being a usb hog, plus the write speed is horrific and I don't want to buy another external HD). Also I looked all through their website but I couldn't find where it says they even offer financing.
About the 32GB of ram, I do host about two local servers daily (too cheap to pay for a hosting company to handle my files and processes) and they can be complete hogs, (especially if I or one of my friends accidently lets a memory leak go by unscathed). So I need to be able to host those servers, especially in a year or so when google fiber comes to my city (and hopefully my area) then that RAM will really come in handy . Also I do a bit of 3d projects, like rendering a map for a game i'm helping a friend with and this map is HUGE, which is about all I can say to that because NDA :\
The reason for Win7 Ultimate was because it really wan't that much more so why not just get ultimate; also Home Premium only supports 16GB of RAM if i'm not mistaking.
A $130 CPU is more than enough for a $450 GPU, if you and I are thinking of the same CPU. Hell, an OC'd 4300 or 3240 can handle a 7970 just fine.
A 4350 is equivalent to a dual core i3, even worse actually. A 6350 still bottlenecks extremely in some games. How are those capable of reaching your GPU's full potential in all games? Looks like you need a basic lesson in bottlenecking.
I went on AVADirect after you quoted this, I started customizing and I couldn't see any HD that go past 1TB which is a problem because I need at least 3TB (I currently use a external HD with a capacity of 5TB, but I don't really it being a usb hog, plus the write speed is horrific and I don't want to buy another external HD). Also I looked all through their website but I couldn't find where it says they even offer financing.
About the 32GB of ram, I do host about two local servers daily (too cheap to pay for a hosting company to handle my files and processes) and they can be complete hogs, (especially if I or one of my friends accidently lets a memory leak go by unscathed). So I need to be able to host those servers, especially in a year or so when google fiber comes to my city (and hopefully my area) then that RAM will really come in handy . Also I do a bit of 3d projects, like rendering a map for a game i'm helping a friend with and this map is HUGE, which is about all I can say to that because NDA :\
The reason for Win7 Ultimate was because it really wan't that much more so why not just get ultimate.
That clears things up a bit. I guess Avadirect doesn't offer any sort of financing on their computers. That really sucks. The only other companies I could find for the US that offered anywhere close to decent pricing was iBuyPower and CyberPowerPC. The problem I found with them however is they only allow for two storage drives including the primary drive. If you want multiples of the same drive, they automatically set it up as a RAID configuration.....With iBuyPower they at least allowed you to buy a 4TB storage drive where as CyberPowerPC only had 2TB drives as the largest and if you wanted two they are automatically put into RAID 1.
So if you are okay with using one 4TB drive instead of two 2TB ones you can use iBuyPower since they support BillMeLater. For them, it was a bit less than $2000 for a 3770k, an MSI Z77A-G45 mobo, 7950, 120GB SSD, 4TB HDD, 32GB of RAM, a 650W Corsair power supply, and a Graphite 600T case. That's probably the best price you're going to get from any custom configuration that will allow you to pay later.
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Quote from TheFieldZy »
Nobody's perfect, so neither is Hannah Montana Linux, but it's pretty great.
Quote from BC_Programming on Operating Systems »
They all suck. They just suck differently. Sort of like prostitutes.
That clears things up a bit. I guess Avadirect doesn't offer any sort of financing on their computers. That really sucks. The only other companies I could find for the US that offered anywhere close to decent pricing was iBuyPower and CyberPowerPC. The problem I found with them however is they only allow for two storage drives including the primary drive. If you want multiples of the same drive, they automatically set it up as a RAID configuration.....With iBuyPower they at least allowed you to buy a 4TB storage drive where as CyberPowerPC only had 2TB drives as the largest and if you wanted two they are automatically put into RAID 1.
So if you are okay with using one 4TB drive instead of two 2TB ones you can use iBuyPower since they support BillMeLater. For them, it was a bit less than $2000 for a 3770k, an MSI Z77A-G45 mobo, 7950, 120GB SSD, 4TB HDD, 32GB of RAM, a 650W Corsair power supply, and a Graphite 600T case. That's probably the best price you're going to get from any custom configuration that will allow you to pay later.
Well originally I was going to use CyberPower PC but then I remembered I always get this itch to buy stupid if I have money saved up, so I figured financing would be best because i'd much rather spend $100-$300 a month than save that amount and pay in full a few months later. I know it's a lot cheaper to use Bill Me Later, but financing seems a bit more reliable to me. Also RAID isn't for me at all xD, I like organizing my files and write speeds are a factor since i'm running servers and sometimes recording and i'd much rather have 3HD/SSD than a 'glued' together single HD/SDD.
I'm not trying to say y'alls ways are bad, i'm just saying it isn't right for me in my current situation. When I posted this topic I was mainly asking if it was an alright setup and if there's anything else I could add or replace inside StealthMachines (or another financing custom pc website) that would make the pc even faster or better, not so much save money but within reason.
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A 4350 is equivalent to a dual core i3, even worse actually. A 6350 still bottlenecks extremely in some games. How are those capable of reaching your GPU's full potential in all games? Looks like you need a basic lesson in bottlenecking.
What games, Prime95? Here's some benchmarks using a heavily overclocked 770. Do you notice any extreme frame rate disparity between a 6300 and a 2500k? That doesn't even account for the increased clockspeed of the 6350s and 3240s and the 6300/4300's overclocking potential. Paying another $80+ for 4 FPS is madness.
Even in a CPU bound game, where three 7970s are used to specifically create a CPU bottleneck, the $120 3220 maxes out the monitor. Remember, this is in a $2000+ build.
For reference, even when a GPU bottleneck is present in the high end, most CPUs still pull 60 FPS. There's also a clear disparity between intel and AMD cpus, but that's just how the game was coded. Remember, Civ V is the most CPU-bound game I know of, mostly because it doesn't have much to render, and it has a LOT to calculate.
Even according to Anand, a Piledriver quad-core (not even the top bin!) can withstand a single 7970
The A8-5600K scores within a percentage point or two across the board in single GPU frame rates with both a HD7970 and GTX 580
i5 4670k @ 4.9GHz - Stock Heatsink - The rest is melted silicon but I think I have a graphics card in there somewhere It surprises me how many people on this forum can't read benchmarks.
Processor: Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Tubro)
Ram: Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB (4x8GB) DDR3 1600
Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce GTX770 ACX Superclocked 2GB
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth Z77
If you want to know exactly what i'm getting click here and click Load Config and enter 10009093
https://www.stealthm...hp?computerid=3
Stealthmachines because I need financing that's not overseas because well I simply can't afford 3.5k in a single day, mainly because my job doesn't make me rich XD.
edit: Before somebody says "Why no RAID", I don't need raid because i'm using each HD to help me organize. For example my SSD is going to host my OS and other confidental files that I can't afford to lose. While my second HD is going to host my game installations and program files. Lastly my 3rd HD is going to host my recorded videos, torrents, and anything else that takes up a lot of room :3.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100 92.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($239.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($339.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Mushkin Chronos 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($155.97 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($155.97 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($419.99 @ Amazon)
Sound Card: Creative Labs Recon3D Fatal1ty Professional 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card ($92.13 @ TigerDirect)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 ATX Full Tower Case ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 1050W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($167.00 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($185.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $2456.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-22 14:01 EDT-0400)
Yeah pretty much, I need the financing and I have no idea how to even put together all the hardware (I'm more of a software guy/script kiddie although it is fairly obvious that I know somewhat what i'm talking about when I build a pc, just can't do the physical side of it and actually put it together lol.
Run 15 instances of Skyrim ofc. Lol no but I don't actually plan to buy a pc for a long time after this so this needs to be the best as I can get it to survive the time. Plus I run a lot of high-requirement games and use a lot of high-requirement programs for projects that I work on and hobby projects.
That's by far the most ignorant post I've ever seen.
You haven't seen the worst man, there are seriously people on here who think you need 32gb of RAM and people who think its okay to pair a $130 CPU with a $450 GPU
Are you sure you need the features of Windows Ultimate though? If you don't need it you can save some money switching to Home Premium.
https://www.avadirect.com/desktop-pc-configurator.asp?PRID=24471
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Get one 8GB stick of RAM, then upgrade with another 8GB stick of RAM if needed. If you can't do that, get 2x4GB then get another 2x4GB down the road. I sincerely doubt it will be needed. And please, for the love of god, don't get that overpriced Dominator Platinum crap. Get the cheapest stuff available.
It surprises me how many people on this forum can't read benchmarks.
I'm just assuming for now that he'll need at least 16GB because 32GB is most likely unnecessary. That way the price will most likely just go down if anything gets changed, since the parts I used to get the price were already quality pieces. I do agree that the regular Platinum RAM isn't really worth it, but the new Dominator RAM with the color strip on top are kind of nice. They're not as tall as the Vengeance and aren't as expensive as the Platinum's.
I went on AVADirect after you quoted this, I started customizing and I couldn't see any HD that go past 1TB which is a problem because I need at least 3TB (I currently use a external HD with a capacity of 5TB, but I don't really it being a usb hog, plus the write speed is horrific and I don't want to buy another external HD). Also I looked all through their website but I couldn't find where it says they even offer financing.
About the 32GB of ram, I do host about two local servers daily (too cheap to pay for a hosting company to handle my files and processes) and they can be complete hogs, (especially if I or one of my friends accidently lets a memory leak go by unscathed). So I need to be able to host those servers, especially in a year or so when google fiber comes to my city (and hopefully my area) then that RAM will really come in handy . Also I do a bit of 3d projects, like rendering a map for a game i'm helping a friend with and this map is HUGE, which is about all I can say to that because NDA :\
The reason for Win7 Ultimate was because it really wan't that much more so why not just get ultimate; also Home Premium only supports 16GB of RAM if i'm not mistaking.
A 4350 is equivalent to a dual core i3, even worse actually. A 6350 still bottlenecks extremely in some games. How are those capable of reaching your GPU's full potential in all games? Looks like you need a basic lesson in bottlenecking.
That clears things up a bit. I guess Avadirect doesn't offer any sort of financing on their computers. That really sucks. The only other companies I could find for the US that offered anywhere close to decent pricing was iBuyPower and CyberPowerPC. The problem I found with them however is they only allow for two storage drives including the primary drive. If you want multiples of the same drive, they automatically set it up as a RAID configuration.....With iBuyPower they at least allowed you to buy a 4TB storage drive where as CyberPowerPC only had 2TB drives as the largest and if you wanted two they are automatically put into RAID 1.
So if you are okay with using one 4TB drive instead of two 2TB ones you can use iBuyPower since they support BillMeLater. For them, it was a bit less than $2000 for a 3770k, an MSI Z77A-G45 mobo, 7950, 120GB SSD, 4TB HDD, 32GB of RAM, a 650W Corsair power supply, and a Graphite 600T case. That's probably the best price you're going to get from any custom configuration that will allow you to pay later.
Well originally I was going to use CyberPower PC but then I remembered I always get this itch to buy stupid if I have money saved up, so I figured financing would be best because i'd much rather spend $100-$300 a month than save that amount and pay in full a few months later. I know it's a lot cheaper to use Bill Me Later, but financing seems a bit more reliable to me. Also RAID isn't for me at all xD, I like organizing my files and write speeds are a factor since i'm running servers and sometimes recording and i'd much rather have 3HD/SSD than a 'glued' together single HD/SDD.
I'm not trying to say y'alls ways are bad, i'm just saying it isn't right for me in my current situation. When I posted this topic I was mainly asking if it was an alright setup and if there's anything else I could add or replace inside StealthMachines (or another financing custom pc website) that would make the pc even faster or better, not so much save money but within reason.
Edit: Or whatever the RAID option built into the motherboard is called.
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/SteevyT/saved/21PI
Even in a CPU bound game, where three 7970s are used to specifically create a CPU bottleneck, the $120 3220 maxes out the monitor. Remember, this is in a $2000+ build.
For reference, even when a GPU bottleneck is present in the high end, most CPUs still pull 60 FPS. There's also a clear disparity between intel and AMD cpus, but that's just how the game was coded. Remember, Civ V is the most CPU-bound game I know of, mostly because it doesn't have much to render, and it has a LOT to calculate.
Even according to Anand, a Piledriver quad-core (not even the top bin!) can withstand a single 7970
And don't even get me started on Linus.
It surprises me how many people on this forum can't read benchmarks.