Aren't you the person who messaged me asking me was your build good? You had a $160 ODD in there? Remember? And when I told you, you where spending too much money, you never replied, even though I was right?
Don't listen to this guy. He claimed that his build with a 3960X, H100, a RIVE, 64GB Corsair Dominator, a $160 ODD, and two 660s would get more FPS than a build I put together for him with a 3770k, 16GB, Extreme4, and two 680s.
Honestly, don't know, don't post.
Just ignore him, the guy thinks it's funny to run around and troll in the Politics section as well.
You're joking, right? 300 FPS should never be achieved. You'll be taxing your card far too much. It's also bad for your monitor and system as a whole. Screen tearing can occur when your FPS is higher than your monitor's refresh rate.
Oh no, my graphics card will get shot in 15 years instead of 20! The horror, the horror! Screen tearing doesn't occur with 3xB and I would chose screen tearing over the occasional less-than-refresh FPS.
Aren't you the person who messaged me asking me was your build good? You had a $160 ODD in there? Remember? And when I told you, you where spending too much money, you never replied, even though I was right?
Don't listen to this guy. He claimed that his build with a 3960X, H100, a RIVE, 64GB Corsair Dominator, a $160 ODD, and two 660s would get more FPS than a build I put together for him with a 3770k, 16GB, Extreme4, and two 680s.
You continuously said that what I picked was overkill for what I need but I kept telling you that I already have hardware equivalent to what you're suggestion and it does NOT meet my needs. Just because it meets the needs of most people does not mean it met my needs. You seemed to think that I just wanted to play games and was completely ignoring the fact that I needed it for running intensive software.
From what I recall from my orders, Amazon/NCIX don't tax (NCIX being Canadian based, Amazon because well, their loopholes).
Not sure about the others.
Amazon always charges me for tax, I live in NY if it makes a difference? Newegg is the only other retailer that I've ordered computer parts from and it doesn't charge me for tax.
Unless you are doing rendering 24/7 an i5 will do just as well as an i7
Hyper 212 EVO actually performs better than pretty much every closed loop out there (and it is like $25)
I don't know much about MoBo's to be honest, but that one looks seriously overpriced. You can hit a stable 4.5+GHz OC on my $150 MoBo.
Overpriced RAM is stupidly overpriced.
SSD is fine, but you really need to have an HDD in there unless you are just doing word processing and internet, at which point the entire build is pointless.
How did you even find a graphics card like that that is that overpriced?
Case is fine.
PSU is fine, although about 1.5x what you need. I would go with the 650 watt version.
Your optical drive is more stupidly overpriced than your RAM.
Monitor looks fine.
If you don't have studio speakers, a soundcard like the one you have listed is unnecessary.
The suggested overkill build is actually more powerful than the one you made.
The suggested not overkill build will still max every game out there (also, isn't the 7970 more powerful than the 680?)
When you are specifying exactly what you're needing 300 fps for, especially if you are doing high end media work that does require such high end equipment, please specify that you actually need that in your profession.
This thread was not designed for high end media work, so 60 Hz monitors thus 60 fps are the highest we need.
Oh no, my graphics card will get shot in 15 years instead of 20! The horror, the horror! Screen tearing doesn't occur with 3xB and I would chose screen tearing over the occasional less-than-refresh FPS.
I've never heard of a 45Hz monitor. 300Hz is the standard for high-end media.
You continuously said that what I picked was overkill for what I need but I kept telling you that I already have hardware equivalent to what you're suggestion and it does NOT meet my needs. Just because it meets the needs of most people does not mean it met my needs. You seemed to think that I just wanted to play games and was completely ignoring the fact that I needed it for running intensive software.
Your build is silly. Who are you, AntVenom?
A 7870 can max out BF3, don't know don't post.
When you are specifying exactly what you're needing 300 fps for, especially if you are doing high end media work that does require such high end equipment, please specify that you actually need that in your profession.
This thread was not designed for high end media work, so 60 Hz monitors thus 60 fps are the highest we need.
My response was in response to his response, not to this thread.
Your build is silly. Who are you, AntVenom?
A 7870 can max out BF3, don't know don't post.
The build I showed was for ME, because I needed to performance. I don't only want to play games... I needed to run my extremely intensive software that loads the system in RAM for incredibly fast reads/writes. The components him (and pretty much everybody else) were recommending me simply could not meet my needs. I can prove this to myself because I already have very similar hardware, getting the same hardware is pointless, and, in fact, some people were recommending me to DOWNGRADE what I already had...?
If you were interested, this is what I have and my software could barely function:
I literally reread everything. You posted that 300 fps is what you considered smooth, and you never mentioned anything about professional work nor intense software, nor that you could even support 300 fps.
From everything I've seen you post, you seem to have little knowledge of hardware.
Also, an i5-3570k and 7870 will crush that laptop of yours.
The build I showed was for ME, because I needed to performance. I don't only want to play games... I needed to run my extremely intensive software that loads the system in RAM for incredibly fast reads/writes. The components him (and pretty much everybody else) were recommending me simply could not meet my needs. I can prove this to myself because I already have very similar hardware, getting the same hardware is pointless, and, in fact, some people were recommending me to DOWNGRADE what I already had...?
If you were interested, this is what I have and my software could barely function:
Intel i7 3640QM @ 2.7GHz (up to 3.7GHz)
GTX 670M w/ 3GB VRAM
2x 4GB 1600MHz RAM
Those are LAPTOP components. Of course they aren't going to work out for high-end computing! A 670M is nowhere near a desktop 670 in terms of performance.
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Why would you ever need a 3930K? A 3770k is a powerhouse, and will plough through anything. A 3930K is a waste of money.
Why would you get the H100? You realise there are far cheaper alternatives that perform better.
Why would you EVER choose that MoBo? A MSI MPower is all you ever need, a RIVE is a waste.
Why would you spend so much out on RAM? Did you honestly just pick the most expensive there?
So, wait. You've spent over $200 on RAM, but your not willing to put in a very fast SSD and forgot a HDD?
A 680? My 7970 is on par with it now, for a lot cheaper.
Sound card? Do you have VERY high quality speakers and headphones?
Why would you get the 800D? It's not like your doing watercooling or anything, it's a waste.
You got a Silver Cert PSU with that overkill build? Why not get the Hale90 or something else that's very high quality?
HAHAHAHA A $189 ODD? OH MY GOD THAT'S A FIRST! XD
I'm going to be honest, I can't tell wether your stupid or a troll because I've never seen you do anything in threads other than give awful advice or just make smart remarks. Does it do anything for anyone? No. It's funny how you think because your laptop specs aren't the best, that you need a stupidly overkill computer.
He probably just picked the second-most expensive thing that looked remotely reasonable(and yet, none of it is).
Why would you ever need a 3930K? A 3770k is a powerhouse, and will plough through anything. A 3930K is a waste of money.
Why would you get the H100? You realise there are far cheaper alternatives that perform better.
Why would you EVER choose that MoBo? A MSI MPower is all you ever need, a RIVE is a waste.
Why would you spend so much out on RAM? Did you honestly just pick the most expensive there?
So, wait. You've spent over $200 on RAM, but your not willing to put in a very fast SSD and forgot a HDD?
A 680? My 7970 is on par with it now, for a lot cheaper.
Sound card? Do you have VERY high quality speakers and headphones?
Why would you get the 800D? It's not like your doing watercooling or anything, it's a waste.
You got a Silver Cert PSU with that overkill build? Why not get the Hale90 or something else that's very high quality?
HAHAHAHA A $189 ODD? OH MY GOD THAT'S A FIRST! XD
I'm going to be honest, I can't tell wether your stupid or a troll because I've never seen you do anything in threads other than give awful advice or just make smart remarks. Does it do anything for anyone? No. It's funny how you think because your laptop specs aren't the best, that you need a stupidly overkill computer.
Alright. Did you COMPLETELY forget the conversation we had? I actually need more than a 3930K. I'm not a little kiddy who plays video games all day. My build IS NOT for playing only games. I chose the H100 because it was an old build, I would choose the H100i. Anyway, I don't need cheaper alternatives, I'm paying for the Corsair name brand and look plus the extra software features. MSI MPower is ugly, my mobo is much better and is a quality name brand with the looks to match. You're kidding, right? The RAM has to be as high-performance as I can get while staying within my budget. The entire point of the build is to use the RAM as the disk for the OS and use the SSD for mass storage. I don't need more than 128GB. You seem, again, even after all of the conversation of me saying this is not for just playing games STILL THINK I NEED A GAMING BUILD. I have tons of hard drives anyway! My selected 680 destroys every 7970 out there, you're entirely mistaken. I have an extremely high quality headset and a professional quality home surround-sound system- I TOLD YOU THIS IN THE CONVERSATION but you seem to think I don't need the card... The Hydra series are all liquid cooling, or did you miss that? Even if I wasn't liquid cooling I would chose the case because it's an absolute beast- extremely durable and aesthetically awesome. I'd go with an Corsair AX 860i now, it wasn't released back then. I need to have fast transfer from BluRay storage and while the ODD might be overkill for me I consider having the best of the best in this category a plus with the extra money I had to spend at the time. If I redid the build I would get a slightly cheaper ODD for headroom on other component upgrades. Anyway, as I told you in the conversation, instead of getting a $3K build last Christmas I am going to get a $5K build this Christmas (2013).
Alright. Did you COMPLETELY forget the conversation we had? I actually need more than a 3930K. I'm not a little kiddy who plays video games all day. My build IS NOT for playing only games. I chose the H100 because it was an old build, I would choose the H100i. Anyway, I don't need cheaper alternatives, I'm paying for the Corsair name brand and look plus the extra software features. MSI MPower is ugly, my mobo is much better and is a quality name brand with the looks to match. You're kidding, right? The RAM has to be as high-performance as I can get while staying within my budget. The entire point of the build is to use the RAM as the disk for the OS and use the SSD for mass storage. I don't need more than 128GB. You seem, again, even after all of the conversation of me saying this is not for just playing games STILL THINK I NEED A GAMING BUILD. I have tons of hard drives anyway! My selected 680 destroys every 7970 out there, you're entirely mistaken. I have an extremely high quality headset and a professional quality home surround-sound system- I TOLD YOU THIS IN THE CONVERSATION but you seem to think I don't need the card... The Hydra series are all liquid cooling, or did you miss that? Even if I wasn't liquid cooling I would chose the case because it's an absolute beast- extremely durable and aesthetically awesome. I'd go with an Corsair AX 860i now, it wasn't released back then. I need to have fast transfer from BluRay storage and while the ODD might be overkill for me I consider having the best of the best in this category a plus with the extra money I had to spend at the time. If I redid the build I would get a slightly cheaper ODD for headroom on other component upgrades. Anyway, as I told you in the conversation, instead of getting a $3K build last Christmas I am going to get a $5K build this Christmas (2013).
Okay, if you have a stupid amount of money for a build overkill for anything and since you don't play games, you should of gotten one of those workstation cards. Also, why'd you just compare a 7970 to a 690 in this? You stated you don't play games, so sure. A 7970 is better with games.
Also, you suck with hardware. You just bought the most expensive thing you can find.
It all seems good, but if you get a cheaper optical, you can spend a bit more on the radeon, or just throw in an extra 100 if you really want the optical :$
Okay, if you have a stupid amount of money for a build overkill for anything and since you don't play games, you should of gotten one of those workstation cards. Also, why'd you just compare a 7970 to a 690 in this? You stated you don't play games, so sure. A 7970 is better with games.
Also, you suck with hardware. You just bought the most expensive thing you can find.
I didn't compare a 7970 to a 690- it was to a 680 if you could actually read. I do play games, and the 680 4GB will crush a 7970 3GB.
Also, you suck with hardware. You think I bought the most expensive thing I could find but really I chose what I needed.
Enough of the childish arguments. As you seem to be running intensive software and know what you're doing, I assume you bought what you needed. I won't argue there.
The 7970 and 680 are roughly equal for gaming, especially on the latest drivers.
When running intensive software that only supports CUDA and not OpenCL for GPU acceleration, then a 680 will smoke a 7970. When a program supports both, it's whatever.
Can you PLEASE explain your logic, as I (and I'm sure everyone else too) isn't getting it. You're asking for help, then when one of us helps you you shove it in his/her face and rant on about your needs?
I can ASSURE you Mhyles has read every one of your needs and provided a list of parts that meet your needs.
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From what I recall from my orders, Amazon/NCIX don't tax (NCIX being Canadian based, Amazon because well, their loopholes).
Not sure about the others.
Just ignore him, the guy thinks it's funny to run around and troll in the Politics section as well.
"Programmers never repeat themselves. They loop."
I've never heard of a 45Hz monitor. 300Hz is the standard for high-end media.
Don't lie. This was my build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/okLo
This was your "overkill" (bahahah!) build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/otXR
And this was your suggested build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/omCS
You continuously said that what I picked was overkill for what I need but I kept telling you that I already have hardware equivalent to what you're suggestion and it does NOT meet my needs. Just because it meets the needs of most people does not mean it met my needs. You seemed to think that I just wanted to play games and was completely ignoring the fact that I needed it for running intensive software.
Just a developer :-)
Amazon always charges me for tax, I live in NY if it makes a difference? Newegg is the only other retailer that I've ordered computer parts from and it doesn't charge me for tax.
Jesus your build is stupidly expensive.
Unless you are doing rendering 24/7 an i5 will do just as well as an i7
Hyper 212 EVO actually performs better than pretty much every closed loop out there (and it is like $25)
I don't know much about MoBo's to be honest, but that one looks seriously overpriced. You can hit a stable 4.5+GHz OC on my $150 MoBo.
Overpriced RAM is stupidly overpriced.
SSD is fine, but you really need to have an HDD in there unless you are just doing word processing and internet, at which point the entire build is pointless.
How did you even find a graphics card like that that is that overpriced?
Case is fine.
PSU is fine, although about 1.5x what you need. I would go with the 650 watt version.
Your optical drive is more stupidly overpriced than your RAM.
Monitor looks fine.
If you don't have studio speakers, a soundcard like the one you have listed is unnecessary.
The suggested overkill build is actually more powerful than the one you made.
The suggested not overkill build will still max every game out there (also, isn't the 7970 more powerful than the 680?)
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/SteevyT/saved/21PI
When you are specifying exactly what you're needing 300 fps for, especially if you are doing high end media work that does require such high end equipment, please specify that you actually need that in your profession.
This thread was not designed for high end media work, so 60 Hz monitors thus 60 fps are the highest we need.
"Programmers never repeat themselves. They loop."
Your build is silly. Who are you, AntVenom?
A 7870 can max out BF3, don't know don't post.
The build I showed was for ME, because I needed to performance. I don't only want to play games... I needed to run my extremely intensive software that loads the system in RAM for incredibly fast reads/writes. The components him (and pretty much everybody else) were recommending me simply could not meet my needs. I can prove this to myself because I already have very similar hardware, getting the same hardware is pointless, and, in fact, some people were recommending me to DOWNGRADE what I already had...?
If you were interested, this is what I have and my software could barely function:
Just a developer :-)
I literally reread everything. You posted that 300 fps is what you considered smooth, and you never mentioned anything about professional work nor intense software, nor that you could even support 300 fps.
From everything I've seen you post, you seem to have little knowledge of hardware.
Also, an i5-3570k and 7870 will crush that laptop of yours.
"Programmers never repeat themselves. They loop."
Link to said software?
Those are LAPTOP components. Of course they aren't going to work out for high-end computing! A 670M is nowhere near a desktop 670 in terms of performance.
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He probably just picked the second-most expensive thing that looked remotely reasonable(and yet, none of it is).
Just a developer :-)
Okay, if you have a stupid amount of money for a build overkill for anything and since you don't play games, you should of gotten one of those workstation cards. Also, why'd you just compare a 7970 to a 690 in this? You stated you don't play games, so sure. A 7970 is better with games.
Also, you suck with hardware. You just bought the most expensive thing you can find.
Also, you suck with hardware. You think I bought the most expensive thing I could find but really I chose what I needed.
Just a developer :-)
Enough of the childish arguments. As you seem to be running intensive software and know what you're doing, I assume you bought what you needed. I won't argue there.
The 7970 and 680 are roughly equal for gaming, especially on the latest drivers.
When running intensive software that only supports CUDA and not OpenCL for GPU acceleration, then a 680 will smoke a 7970. When a program supports both, it's whatever.
"Programmers never repeat themselves. They loop."
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Can you PLEASE explain your logic, as I (and I'm sure everyone else too) isn't getting it. You're asking for help, then when one of us helps you you shove it in his/her face and rant on about your needs?
I can ASSURE you Mhyles has read every one of your needs and provided a list of parts that meet your needs.