Here I was thinking we wouldn't see much toward this time of the year on the GPU landscape, but AMD are already close enough to the launch of their Radeon HD 8800 series with sources now leaking out some information on silicon that is codenamed "Oland"
Oland is built on the same 28nm process, throwing in 3.4 billion transistors onto a die-area of around 270 mm². If the news is solid, we're looking at the Radeon HD 8870 "Oland XT" outperforming its predecessor, the HD 7870 in both performance per watt, and cost-performance ratios.
If the chart is right, the HD 8870 could begin offering performance close to that of today's high-end offerings, which would really shake up the market. The HD 8870 clocks in at 1050MHz, with 1100MHz PowerTune Boost frequency, with its little brother the HD 8850 clocked at 925MHz with 975MHz boost frequency. Both SKUs have memory clocking in at 6GHz, providing an insane 192GB/s of memory bandwidth - even at a proposed $199 price for the HD 8850.
If the chart is correct, we're looking at some serious delicious GPUs to be offered up soon from AMD.
Read about this yesterday. IF these rumors are true and they offer even a tiny boost over the last generation at a decent price (IIRC the 8xxx series will be priced significantly lower than their 7xxx counterparts, although I don't remember where I read this) then AMD will dominate the GPU market for some time to come.
Looking forward to seeing AMD become competitive again, what with their last processors being a flop and their GPU's being beaten by Nvidia's. Any news on Piledriver?
If AMD manages to pull this off without too many problems they will lead the market for a long time to come. And if the 8xxx series comes out, I feel that it's time for an upgrade both for my CPU and for my GPU. Also (without creating a new thread and cluttering up the forums), does anybody have any information on when AMD's new CPU's will arrive, and their expected performance in comparison to SB/IB?
Hmm... I have a 5450 (though due to weird driver issues, I'm using the HD3000, with pretty much equal performance) and a 2500k. I think I'll upgrade to either the 7850 or 8850, depending how far the 7850 drops in price
I'm pretty sure NVIDIA is waiting on purpose to see what's 8000 series' performance and will adapt GK110 a bit to that... or maybe it's late just like last time, perhaps 700 series will come later than 8000 series, but will still beat it.
I'm pretty sure NVIDIA is waiting on purpose to see what's 8000 series' performance and will adapt GK110 a bit to that... or maybe it's late just like last time, perhaps 700 series will come later than 8000 series, but will still beat it.
AFAIK the 700 series is still planned for Q2-ish 2013 while the 8000 series is (rumored) to be set for Q4 2012 or so.
Well we haven't adjusted for Nvdia time and AMD time yet.
So Q2 2013 for Nvidia means..... Q3 possibly Q4 2013, unless AMD comes up with something then it magically ends up being Q1 with driver issues and heat problems.
Q4 2012 for AMD probably means Q1 2013. OR Q2 2013. Or Q3 2012........... Or Q3 2013. Basically somewhere between now, and a year from now.
Given everything, this is a highly likely scenario.
I am so tempted..... My 560Ti is barely over 6 months old but..... Such a low price for that kind of performance.........
I hate being poor, FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.......
Cannot be worse then my HD5770 "got when they was ~200 USD and new". Though still has bite, but I cannot afford to buy anything. Maybe black friday will have some good stuff on sale.
Mean time, the 8000 series looks to focus on just power consumption while greatly streamlining performance. While still all on same die fabrication size. Kinda impressive if true. That would mean good news for 22nm or what ever next fabrication is on the list.
But 199 USD rumored for a 8850, me gusta.
Nvidia, Y U NO give AMD some competition back, dis be monopoly. Oh well, what ever works works, but something needs to drive prices down on AMD side "cough Nvidia".
Nvidia, Y U NO give AMD some competition back, dis be monopoly. Oh well, what ever works works, but something needs to drive prices down on AMD side "cough Nvidia".
Add to that that their consumer cards now CANNOT use GPU acceleration for things like rendering now, as of the 600 series.....
AMD pretty much has everything in their favor atm.
I see. I'm hoping for Q1 2013, at best. By then I should be able to afford an 8870 based on current price speculation.
I forgot to mention that Intel between all of that will announce HD 5000 graphics using a powerpoint presentation where the slides are shown very fast to give the illusion of a game being played.
It's a step up from having VLC play a video of a game like they did this year for HD 4000, and less easy to mess up.
Darn it, and the mid range Nvidia GPU's just released. Why can't AMD go back to making mainstream GPU's, thus eliminating competition and allowing Nvidia to release a new line every 2 years or so, each significantly better than the last, not just small increments.
Right now is just a flat out bad time to build a PC, SB is near the end of its life, IB-E and Hasewell are on their way, DRR4, the R8000 series and possibly SATA 12Gbps, by next year.
Darn it, and the mid range Nvidia GPU's just released. Why can't AMD go back to making mainstream GPU's, thus eliminating competition and allowing Nvidia to release a new line every 2 years or so, each significantly better than the last, not just small increments.
Right now is just a flat out bad time to build a PC, SB is near the end of its life, IB-E and Hasewell are on their way, DRR4, the R8000 series and possibly SATA 12Gbps, by next year.
There is never a good time to buy parts, it just advances that fast. And what do you mean AMD should go back to making mainstream GPU's? AMD has full control over anything that costs less than the 660 Ti because below that Nvidia's pricing is horrid. If AMD is able to sell the 8850 for $200 that means that you are basically getting a 7950 for the price of a 7850. That's excellent news if they can pull it off.
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Add to that that their consumer cards now CANNOT use GPU acceleration for things like rendering now, as of the 600 series.....
AMD pretty much has everything in their favor atm.
GPU acceleration as a whole for video does not bother me to bad, that is what Intel Quick Sync works at. Without a very high end card, its hard to out do quick sync.
But another reason they nerfing is I assume to enforce buying in AMDs case FireStreams and Quadros in Nvidias side. In which are built for rendering and stream workings.
AMD may own in the GPU department, but never "apart from APUs" the CPU department.
There is never a good time to buy parts, it just advances that fast. And what do you mean AMD should go back to making mainstream GPU's? AMD has full control over anything that costs less than the 660 Ti because below that Nvidia's pricing is horrid. If AMD is able to sell the 8850 for $200 that means that you are basically getting a 7950 for the price of a 7850. That's excellent news if they can pull it off.
That's arguable, but it was batter time to buy parts say a year and a half ago then it is today simply because we are in the middle of all this crap changing and advancing so fast.
Nvidia has had a hard time this release the production issues with TSMC the late release compared to AMD. Maybe we will finally see the XDR2 ram we were told would be in the 7xxxx series.
Maybe I can grab a PD or SR CPU and get a good 8 series GPU here soon.
That being if games start needing something better then my OCed 6970 at normal desktop resolutions.
Oland is built on the same 28nm process, throwing in 3.4 billion transistors onto a die-area of around 270 mm². If the news is solid, we're looking at the Radeon HD 8870 "Oland XT" outperforming its predecessor, the HD 7870 in both performance per watt, and cost-performance ratios.
If the chart is right, the HD 8870 could begin offering performance close to that of today's high-end offerings, which would really shake up the market. The HD 8870 clocks in at 1050MHz, with 1100MHz PowerTune Boost frequency, with its little brother the HD 8850 clocked at 925MHz with 975MHz boost frequency. Both SKUs have memory clocking in at 6GHz, providing an insane 192GB/s of memory bandwidth - even at a proposed $199 price for the HD 8850.
If the chart is correct, we're looking at some serious delicious GPUs to be offered up soon from AMD.
Being tweaked 7000 cards means prices will stay low and performance will stay high.
Nvidia's 700 series is a long ways off, and they have no plans for a "600.5" series. They literally have nothing to compete with.
Man it hasn't been like this since...... what, the 3 series?
I am so tempted..... My 560Ti is barely over 6 months old but..... Such a low price for that kind of performance.........
I hate being poor, FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.......
So Q2 2013 for Nvidia means..... Q3 possibly Q4 2013, unless AMD comes up with something then it magically ends up being Q1 with driver issues and heat problems.
Q4 2012 for AMD probably means Q1 2013. OR Q2 2013. Or Q3 2012........... Or Q3 2013. Basically somewhere between now, and a year from now.
Cannot be worse then my HD5770 "got when they was ~200 USD and new". Though still has bite, but I cannot afford to buy anything. Maybe black friday will have some good stuff on sale.
Mean time, the 8000 series looks to focus on just power consumption while greatly streamlining performance. While still all on same die fabrication size. Kinda impressive if true. That would mean good news for 22nm or what ever next fabrication is on the list.
But 199 USD rumored for a 8850, me gusta.
Nvidia, Y U NO give AMD some competition back, dis be monopoly. Oh well, what ever works works, but something needs to drive prices down on AMD side "cough Nvidia".
AMD pretty much has everything in their favor atm. I forgot to mention that Intel between all of that will announce HD 5000 graphics using a powerpoint presentation where the slides are shown very fast to give the illusion of a game being played.
It's a step up from having VLC play a video of a game like they did this year for HD 4000, and less easy to mess up.
Right now is just a flat out bad time to build a PC, SB is near the end of its life, IB-E and Hasewell are on their way, DRR4, the R8000 series and possibly SATA 12Gbps, by next year.
Why do they even make them so fast when we can't even max out the 6Gbps?
There is never a good time to buy parts, it just advances that fast. And what do you mean AMD should go back to making mainstream GPU's? AMD has full control over anything that costs less than the 660 Ti because below that Nvidia's pricing is horrid. If AMD is able to sell the 8850 for $200 that means that you are basically getting a 7950 for the price of a 7850. That's excellent news if they can pull it off.
GPU acceleration as a whole for video does not bother me to bad, that is what Intel Quick Sync works at. Without a very high end card, its hard to out do quick sync.
But another reason they nerfing is I assume to enforce buying in AMDs case FireStreams and Quadros in Nvidias side. In which are built for rendering and stream workings.
AMD may own in the GPU department, but never "apart from APUs" the CPU department.
Most SSD drives sit around 500MB/s, we are getting fairly close, plus you could possibly daisy chain drives together... That's arguable, but it was batter time to buy parts say a year and a half ago then it is today simply because we are in the middle of all this crap changing and advancing so fast.
Maybe I can grab a PD or SR CPU and get a good 8 series GPU here soon.
That being if games start needing something better then my OCed 6970 at normal desktop resolutions.