i had a RAT 7 mouse and it was TINY! my hands aren't that big but it just seems small even with everything as big as it could get, plus if you rest your palm on it at all with the palm rest extended it just keeps tipping backwards on you
Maybe for people with no knowledge of what product they are buying.
Except that's my point. Only people who have no knowledge of what they are buying actually think that there is any performant difference between your average mouse/keyboard and mice/keyboards designed for "gaming"; most of these people delude themselves into thinking that because their games need high-end graphics cards and so forth, they need some sort of "high-end" keyboard, what they forget is that keyboards and mice are exceedingly simple devices whose core formula is pretty much the same regardless of the shell you put it in.
There are many products with high end price and low end performance, and I'm not here to convince you to change your opinion.
Peripheral wise? Not really. Keyboards, of course, for a good mechanical keyboard it's going to be pricey, but you are actually paying for switch quality, not pointless "gamer" ********. Most "gamer" keyboards are exactly the same as their "standard" counterparts, with the exception of a higher price tag and possibly some idiotic rearrangement of the keys. (That is, they all use the shitty membrane keyswitch). Mice are much the same.
I buy a decent mouse with a faster polling rate so I can utilize my fast reaction time in shooters.
My point exactly. a "faster polling rate" doesn'pit make any difference. It just means you have to **** around with your sensitivity slider. People who claim to have a response time that will make that higher polling rate relevant are idiots, to be perfectly frank. I mean, for one think, the default USB polling rate of is 125Hz, or 8ms of latency. Combine that with the fact that your average monitor has maybe a 5-8ms response time, with a typical refresh rate that refreshes the screen every 16.6ms- and pair with that the fact that it takes 120ms for any of this to even register in your brain at all, and people ought to realize that their paying for nothing that really matters.
I buy a keyboard with no ghosting so I can use multiple macros at once time.
Only extremely cheap keyboards have ghosting. And you don't need a "gamer" keyboard to avoid it. Just get an actual good keyboard; pretty much any mechanical switch keyboard usually has the better circuitry that doesn't have ghosting or limit the pressed keys. Meanwhile, however, I don't notice anything myself, and I make heavy use of shortcuts like Control-Shift-F2, Control Shift F9, Shift F9, Shift F10, etc. Though I can't see the point in using multiple shortcuts simultaneously. If a game actually has a state where you can gain from using multiple shortcuts, it's badly designed anyway.
Conventional keyboards stop after just 3 simultaneous button presses.
"Conventional" of course meaning the cheap 5 dollar keyboards that come with systems. Replacing them with a good mechanical keyboard is a good idea. Replacing it with a "gamer" keyboard merely swaps one piece of **** for an overpriced piece of ****. Sure, it might remove the ghosting, but you can get keyboards that avoid that for 20 dollars. If you really want a good keyboard, you would get a mechanical switch keyboard, which typically don't have the issue since they are usually pricier. They don't have "gamer" features like stupid light-up keys or similar pointless ******** though, so some gamers might not feel like they got their money's worth. Or their parent's money's worth, as the case often is.
If you've ever played any competitive games such as CSS, TF2, or Starcraft II you would realize that conventional equipment doesn't hold up.
*****, please- I was playing Quake/C&C in tournaments when you were probably in ****ing diapers. It didn't matter what the keyboard or mouse was, or how many buttons they had, or how many keys you could press simultaneously. As it is for me now the important thing was key layout. It doesn't matter how many keys you can press at once if you have to train yourself to some stupid ****ing rearrangement of keys. Like my wireless keyboard. Instead of the F-keys being in groups of 4, they are in groups of 3. It makes the keyboard ****ing useless to me.
but it does allow the people who want to get better, do just that.
No, Like I said, it separates morons with no idea what they are buying or the fact that your typical keyboard mouse outside the 5 dollar specials is going to have all the "advanced features" of a gamer keyboard (save the bright flashy pointless ****, of course).
If using what you do now suffices for you, then keep doing so.
My keyboard cost more than a typical "gamer" keyboard, but it's not a "gamer" keyboard. it's just a high-quality keyboard engineered to be good at being a keyboard. My point is, keyboards marketed as "gamer" keyboards are typically the same guts you'd find in keyboards that cost 40-50 dollars less, just thrown into a fancy casing. With pointless things like "OMG look they use red keycaps for WASD!" **** thrown in as if it adds value.
Don't bring everyone else down to your level just because you may have had a bad experience with a certain product.
I didn't have a bad experience with any product. It's just common sense that manufacturers will put cheap **** into a fancy case and sell it for a high price margin, and that stupid people with more money than brains will buy up all the ******** "technology" sticker claims that are on the box as truth. This has worked well for Apple and companies selling Apple products; For example, circa the release of the original iMac; a USB floppy drive "for windows" in a standard beige case was a quarter the price of the exact same drive for a mac. the only difference between them was the floppy drive for the mac was in a translucent case. Both drives were exactly the same otherwise and had no differences aside from what colour the cheap plastic around them is.
Wall of text much?
Personally, I enjoy mechanical gaming keyboards. They are about the same price as other mechanical ones, but the macro keys are useful.
Funny part is I barely use the macros for gaming.
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The only use for the "gaming keyboards" is the macro crap so you can bypass the games built in limits on the macro system and get banned from the game. Mouse as long as it is a laser mouse you won't notice a difference all the adjustable weights are all gimmicks.
The gaming equipment are marketed by "good gamers" at tournaments and anything that has to do with those things needs to die.Gaming tournaments are a scourge upon gaming for the most part. It make people aggressive to the point of hating the other human beings.
I have the g510 gaming keyboard and honestly the only reason i use it is because of the 18 programmable keys which most of the time i dont even use for gaming. I use it to quickly open up programs and such and another reason i like it is because it lights up :tongue.gif:
Gaming mice are meant to support people for tournaments and other gaming sessions.
They are supposed to handle lots of clicking, heat, and occasionally, sweat.
Keyboards on the other hand we're meant for the same thing AND key response.
I could go buy some high-end, wireless Dell keyboard, and after an hour or two of Minecraft, the keys will stick, get moist, and possibly break (In around a month of that).
There's HUGE difference.
-Apogle
So... which product package did you read all that off of, and why the **** do you believe it?On another note, regarding Mice and keyboards:
For me, a keyboard is about a million times more important than a mouse. Without a Mouse, I can still navigate around windows and use the system, it's just more time consuming, for resizing/moving windows for example. Without a keyboard, though, I'm pretty much ****ed. Of course most people don't know half the window navigation shortcuts so they'd be ****ed without a mouse too.
Microsoft Sidewinder x4 (Yes, I actually need to be able to press 26 keys at once [well, more like 8])
Logitech M500 mouse
Works pretty well for me. Might see if I can somehow get a mechanical sometime soon though, my younger brother would probably really like this keyboard.
The mouse is fine, I just need to get a wrist-rest for my mousepad.
Well this thread came back out of no-where. Might as well update, i now have the G510 with the Razer Naga. Absolutely love the naga, it's extremely comfortable and saves tones of time with the programmable buttons whilst in-game. Thinking about trying to do a custom carbon fiber skin on both the mouse and parts of the keyboard and whenever i get my NZXT Switch 810 for christmas i'll add a few carbon fiber parts on that for style points
Get the razer naga hex, its click life cycle is massive! Its perfect for attacking. Also try the razer mamba, its got a 4g sensor and has custom color lighting. To shop for this, either check amazon(save a lot more!), or razerzone.com(expensive and 4-6 WEEKS for shipping).
Get the razer naga hex, its click life cycle is massive! Its perfect for attacking. Also try the razer mamba, its got a 4g sensor and has custom color lighting. To shop for this, either check amazon(save a lot more!), or razerzone.com(expensive and 4-6 WEEKS for shipping).
This is supposed to be a good mmo mouse, but the drivers are pretty bad for it, I would wait to get it.
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However, I use a 7 year-old Dell keyboard. Thinking about teh Das.
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/mice/devices/5092 and this
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Except that's my point. Only people who have no knowledge of what they are buying actually think that there is any performant difference between your average mouse/keyboard and mice/keyboards designed for "gaming"; most of these people delude themselves into thinking that because their games need high-end graphics cards and so forth, they need some sort of "high-end" keyboard, what they forget is that keyboards and mice are exceedingly simple devices whose core formula is pretty much the same regardless of the shell you put it in.
Peripheral wise? Not really. Keyboards, of course, for a good mechanical keyboard it's going to be pricey, but you are actually paying for switch quality, not pointless "gamer" ********. Most "gamer" keyboards are exactly the same as their "standard" counterparts, with the exception of a higher price tag and possibly some idiotic rearrangement of the keys. (That is, they all use the shitty membrane keyswitch). Mice are much the same.
My point exactly. a "faster polling rate" doesn'pit make any difference. It just means you have to **** around with your sensitivity slider. People who claim to have a response time that will make that higher polling rate relevant are idiots, to be perfectly frank. I mean, for one think, the default USB polling rate of is 125Hz, or 8ms of latency. Combine that with the fact that your average monitor has maybe a 5-8ms response time, with a typical refresh rate that refreshes the screen every 16.6ms- and pair with that the fact that it takes 120ms for any of this to even register in your brain at all, and people ought to realize that their paying for nothing that really matters.
Only extremely cheap keyboards have ghosting. And you don't need a "gamer" keyboard to avoid it. Just get an actual good keyboard; pretty much any mechanical switch keyboard usually has the better circuitry that doesn't have ghosting or limit the pressed keys. Meanwhile, however, I don't notice anything myself, and I make heavy use of shortcuts like Control-Shift-F2, Control Shift F9, Shift F9, Shift F10, etc. Though I can't see the point in using multiple shortcuts simultaneously. If a game actually has a state where you can gain from using multiple shortcuts, it's badly designed anyway.
"Conventional" of course meaning the cheap 5 dollar keyboards that come with systems. Replacing them with a good mechanical keyboard is a good idea. Replacing it with a "gamer" keyboard merely swaps one piece of **** for an overpriced piece of ****. Sure, it might remove the ghosting, but you can get keyboards that avoid that for 20 dollars. If you really want a good keyboard, you would get a mechanical switch keyboard, which typically don't have the issue since they are usually pricier. They don't have "gamer" features like stupid light-up keys or similar pointless ******** though, so some gamers might not feel like they got their money's worth. Or their parent's money's worth, as the case often is.
*****, please- I was playing Quake/C&C in tournaments when you were probably in ****ing diapers. It didn't matter what the keyboard or mouse was, or how many buttons they had, or how many keys you could press simultaneously. As it is for me now the important thing was key layout. It doesn't matter how many keys you can press at once if you have to train yourself to some stupid ****ing rearrangement of keys. Like my wireless keyboard. Instead of the F-keys being in groups of 4, they are in groups of 3. It makes the keyboard ****ing useless to me.
No, Like I said, it separates morons with no idea what they are buying or the fact that your typical keyboard mouse outside the 5 dollar specials is going to have all the "advanced features" of a gamer keyboard (save the bright flashy pointless ****, of course).
My keyboard cost more than a typical "gamer" keyboard, but it's not a "gamer" keyboard. it's just a high-quality keyboard engineered to be good at being a keyboard. My point is, keyboards marketed as "gamer" keyboards are typically the same guts you'd find in keyboards that cost 40-50 dollars less, just thrown into a fancy casing. With pointless things like "OMG look they use red keycaps for WASD!" **** thrown in as if it adds value.
I didn't have a bad experience with any product. It's just common sense that manufacturers will put cheap **** into a fancy case and sell it for a high price margin, and that stupid people with more money than brains will buy up all the ******** "technology" sticker claims that are on the box as truth. This has worked well for Apple and companies selling Apple products; For example, circa the release of the original iMac; a USB floppy drive "for windows" in a standard beige case was a quarter the price of the exact same drive for a mac. the only difference between them was the floppy drive for the mac was in a translucent case. Both drives were exactly the same otherwise and had no differences aside from what colour the cheap plastic around them is.
Personally, I enjoy mechanical gaming keyboards. They are about the same price as other mechanical ones, but the macro keys are useful.
Funny part is I barely use the macros for gaming.
The gaming equipment are marketed by "good gamers" at tournaments and anything that has to do with those things needs to die.Gaming tournaments are a scourge upon gaming for the most part. It make people aggressive to the point of hating the other human beings.
Well any leisure activity when you make it all about wining and losing makes people aggressive and takes the fun out of it.
Just ordered a WASD Keyboard with a custom white/green colourscheme.
Backlighting and programmable keys are pretty useless.
So... which product package did you read all that off of, and why the **** do you believe it?On another note, regarding Mice and keyboards:
For me, a keyboard is about a million times more important than a mouse. Without a Mouse, I can still navigate around windows and use the system, it's just more time consuming, for resizing/moving windows for example. Without a keyboard, though, I'm pretty much ****ed. Of course most people don't know half the window navigation shortcuts so they'd be ****ed without a mouse too.
It's late and I don't like your attitude, so I'll just say it.
Your biased opinions about "GAMER" peripherals are not needed, and are unnecessary.
We are here to discuss our favorite gaming keyboards and mice, not to discuss your opinion whether you think the "GAMER" tag is real or not.
Nice to know.
No, really. When looking for good gaming devices, no company is going to tell you that regular hardware may be just fine.
Its irritating though because the changing lights on both don't actually sync up with each other.
Logitech M500 mouse
Works pretty well for me. Might see if I can somehow get a mechanical sometime soon though, my younger brother would probably really like this keyboard.
The mouse is fine, I just need to get a wrist-rest for my mousepad.
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Really dude? You had to necro this?
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