At the performance range no. But since they are both the top end single GPU's of their line then I feel you can i some cases. (tomshardware compared them in their 7970 reviw).
Edit: The 5870 actually beat the 6970 and 7970 in DirectComputeBenchmark OpenCL. Link.
That is in one benchmark and probably some error within the application its self. It losses 100% of the time comapred to the 7970 in anything else. The 5870 is 40nm 100% it is going to use more power to get the same performance of something at 28nm.
GCN is also vastly different then AMDs past VLIW arch. Once games and drivers optimize for it better we should see some pretty good improvement on the 7970.
I should have my 7970s in a few days but I will have to wait till January for the water blocks. Maybe if EK is fast enough I can get CF benchmarks up within a couple weeks.
Well we got the dual card and there new zero core is supposed to reduce crossfire power consumption.
Hopefully nvidia does not have any setbacks this card needs a completion product to bring price down and the current expectation from nvidia is late march to get there new cards out. AMD Graphics division seems like the only part of AMD that can release on time.
We can only hope, especially with the bulldozer disaster from AMD....
I'd rather not have the IB CPUs end up being $300-400 for low and mid range, and the 7000 series being $400-600 for mid and high range.
DON'T SAY IT WON'T HAPPEN PEOPLE, IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE DURING THE PENTIUM III-4 ERA!!
I should have my 7970s in a few days but I will have to wait till January for the water blocks. Maybe if EK is fast enough I can get CF benchmarks up within a couple weeks.
We can only hope, especially with the bulldozer disaster from AMD....
I'd rather not have the IB CPUs end up being $300-400 for low and mid range, and the 7000 series being $400-600 for mid and high range.
DON'T SAY IT WON'T HAPPEN PEOPLE, IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE DURING THE PENTIUM III-4 ERA!!
Fermi was originally a big heavy mess when it released much like bulldozer but look at fermi now it is very efficient. Granted AMD does not have as deep of pockets as Nvidia.
Nvidia Kepler will probably be better then the 7xxx series AMD always releases first then Nvidia releases something better 5-6 months after.
Trinity should be interesting piledriver arch cpuy with a GCN 7 series gpu on board.
Fermi was originally a big heavy mess when it released much like bulldozer but look at fermi now it is very efficient. Granted AMD does not have as deep of pockets as Nvidia.
Nvidia Kepler will probably be better then the 7xxx series AMD always releases first then Nvidia releases something better 5-6 months after.
Trinity should be interesting piledriver arch cpuy with a GCN 7 series gpu on board.
The big difference between Fermi and BD is that BD's design was flawed from the very beginning, whereas Fermi needed a few tweaks and fixes.
I'm just wondering what the graphics and performance plateau will be for the next gen, the gaps between hardware is starting to get a lot larger than it used to between tiers.
Im going to hold onto my 560ti and wait for the 700/8000 series in 2013, as by then dx12 should be out and the gpus will be much more powerful and more of a worthwhile upgrade then now. But the 7970 is such a sexy card.....
Im going to hold onto my 560ti and wait for the 700/8000 series in 2013, as by then dx12 should be out and the gpus will be much more powerful and more of a worthwhile upgrade then now. But the 7970 is such a sexy card.....
I doubt the 8xxx series will use dx12 Win9 might use it just basing on Microsoft past but 9 wont be out tell 2014. Plus i think we will see the 8xxx series be to 7xxx much what the 6xxx series to 5xxx. 6 was improved arch of 5 and 8 will probably be an improved arch 7 die shrinks for graphics have been taking larger jumps notice we never got 32nm gpus. the next one we get will probably be 20nm.
Also any one know what happened to XDR ram it is vastly better then GDDR and AMD was planning on using it definitely would have given them a massive advantage over nvidia because rambus has issues with them.
I doubt the 8xxx series will use dx12 Win9 might use it just basing on Microsoft past but 9 wont be out tell 2014. Plus i think we will see the 8xxx series be to 7xxx much what the 6xxx series to 5xxx. 6 was improved arch of 5 and 8 will probably be an improved arch 7 die shrinks for graphics have been taking larger jumps notice we never got 32nm gpus. the next one we get will probably be 20nm.
Also any one know what happened to XDR ram it is vastly better then GDDR and AMD was planning on using it definitely would have given them a massive advantage over nvidia because rambus has issues with them.
Microsoft wants to release DX12 with Widnows 8, and only have windows 8 support it, IIRC.
I believe this was stated in one of the MSDN blogs.
As for XDR, last I heard was they were trying to work around some sort of hardware limitation/quirk with motherboards and a PCI-e GPU.
Not as big as a change as I would expect, but still better than the 580 at a similar price.
That is in one benchmark and probably some error within the application its self. It losses 100% of the time comapred to the 7970 in anything else. The 5870 is 40nm 100% it is going to use more power to get the same performance of something at 28nm.
GCN is also vastly different then AMDs past VLIW arch. Once games and drivers optimize for it better we should see some pretty good improvement on the 7970.
I'm happy with my 6950, and I'm saving for another project.
Anyways, I'm heading home I'll be back though in a maybe 2 hours.
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We can only hope, especially with the bulldozer disaster from AMD....
I'd rather not have the IB CPUs end up being $300-400 for low and mid range, and the 7000 series being $400-600 for mid and high range.
DON'T SAY IT WON'T HAPPEN PEOPLE, IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE DURING THE PENTIUM III-4 ERA!!
i envy you -.-
i5-4690K @4.6GHz ~ ASRock Z97X Fatal1ty Killer ~ EKWB Supremacy MX ~ Watercooled SLI STRIX 970s
Project RedShift
Fermi was originally a big heavy mess when it released much like bulldozer but look at fermi now it is very efficient. Granted AMD does not have as deep of pockets as Nvidia.
Nvidia Kepler will probably be better then the 7xxx series AMD always releases first then Nvidia releases something better 5-6 months after.
Trinity should be interesting piledriver arch cpuy with a GCN 7 series gpu on board.
The big difference between Fermi and BD is that BD's design was flawed from the very beginning, whereas Fermi needed a few tweaks and fixes.
I'm just wondering what the graphics and performance plateau will be for the next gen, the gaps between hardware is starting to get a lot larger than it used to between tiers.
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I doubt the 8xxx series will use dx12 Win9 might use it just basing on Microsoft past but 9 wont be out tell 2014. Plus i think we will see the 8xxx series be to 7xxx much what the 6xxx series to 5xxx. 6 was improved arch of 5 and 8 will probably be an improved arch 7 die shrinks for graphics have been taking larger jumps notice we never got 32nm gpus. the next one we get will probably be 20nm.
Also any one know what happened to XDR ram it is vastly better then GDDR and AMD was planning on using it definitely would have given them a massive advantage over nvidia because rambus has issues with them.
Microsoft wants to release DX12 with Widnows 8, and only have windows 8 support it, IIRC.
I believe this was stated in one of the MSDN blogs.
As for XDR, last I heard was they were trying to work around some sort of hardware limitation/quirk with motherboards and a PCI-e GPU.
I don't really care how the reference looks, TBH. I'm sure we'll get some good looking, and well performing, ones by manufacturers.