Here lie the remains of a great thread. One that lasted two years and gained much acclaim over it's lifetime. Even so, there comes a time in every thread's life where one must ask the question, "Is there any point to continuing on?" Unfortunately I have come to the conclusion that there is none, this thread is outdated, and the image hosting site has closed the account on which all of the images were held (hundreds). As you will see in the following quotes, there is no point in continuing our discussion:
This guide was written two years ago, and unfortunately hasn't really been updated since. It is hopelessly outdated. It came out before any of the PVP plugins used today even existed (well... in the form they are now anyway), and I'm glad that this was the case, because PVP in Minecraft today is despicable. It was meant as an introductory foray into the world of PVP interaction in Minecraft, in a perfect and ideal world. We quickly learned (and by WE I mean the people who truly tested these concepts on the once famous Art of War server) that because of human nature, it is impossible to play Minecraft in this way because of cheating, lying, betrayal, and the fact that the creator of Minecraft did not have this style of play in mind. However, we did learn that the most effective form of warfare in Minecraft, in a vanilla environment, IS the "Art of Sneaking in and Stealing Stuff" as referenced by the above poster. In reality, as long as you remain hidden, nobody can hurt you. Don't even announce your presence on a server, simply come in and join other clans. Garner as much information as possible, and then strike everyone at once. There's no strategy to it anymore. It's all social engineering because nobody can be bothered to screen new applicants and test their worth. In a world where everyone starts as equals, you can't really prove your skill. It's impossible to have castle on castle sieges in a game that promotes this type of dishonest play. That is why plugins came into existence, but all of the plugins today are ized versions of what they should be. The factions plugin is complete garbage.
Well, enough about THAT. I haven't played Minecraft in probably over a year now, but I get emails when this thread gets posted on so I figured I'd reply. [/endrant]
The issue with minecraft is that although the building aspect is a good implementation of a concept that has been waiting years to be made alive, mojang did a poor job of actually incorporating terrain and building into the "game" aspect of minecraft.
When you play minecraft, you can either gather materials to build something cool (only in aestheitic sense) OR you can go and explore, kill mobs, get equipment, enchant it, and appreciate the structures and other direct content implemented by the developers. (Which is basically a compressed form of any rpg out there. Nothing original there.) You are usually doing either one or the other. Yes, you can do, both, but its more like playing two different games simultaneously.
They don't go hand in hand. Yes, resources dropped by mobs and gained by exploring can provide you with building materials, and building things like farmland, potion stands, furnaces, and other things that come from simple recipes can give you items which help you in combat, but all of those rewards are entirely arbitrary. Aside from a house, anything useful to build can be done with either one block, or a lot of one block(farmland), and give you arbitrarily implemented items which give you arbitrary bonuses.
In this manner, minecraft does not challenge you to use the building aspect to its fullest. Yes, people have built computers, secret doors, machines, etc, but there is no reason to build them other than to test them. There is nothing for you on which you can use your awesome tnt cannon (Yes, mobs, but its more efficient to slice them with a sword, which is made straight from the workbench). That elevator probably took more time than it would ever save, getting to a useless location. Anything smart enough to get in your base on which you could activate your dart gun trap is also smart enough to punch off the pressure plate so that nothing happens. There is no possible system of blocks in which the average energy per block is over 1 joule, so it is impossible to make a vehicle, other than the ones arbitrarily added, such as boats and minecarts.
The only exception to this is mob towers.They are enitrely player invented, utilize the physics of the game, and provide a useful function that connects it to the game, but some servers consider them cheating. Making things like mob towers, and automatic machines is the point of the game! Why do you think notch allowed you to place blocks!? The buildings are supposed to be practical, and have a function in the game ,or else its not a game, but an art designer, for which Auto CAD is probably a much better idea.
So basically the reason why minecraft didnt hit the potential it could was because the developers think too linearly and believe that the game should be restricted to developer implemented interfaces, and neglected to have the game depend on the players imagination for any purpose other than art, which is pretty boring for a game, and is better done in real life.
With all that said, farewell Minecraft community, thanks for your compliments, your criticisms, and for making my experience with the game an enjoyable one.
Regards,
VMaximus
P.S. Sorry for breaking the post character limit and having it increased... twice.
Very good book, by the way. Definately worth the read. Totally wrong sub-forum though... Multiplayer perhaps?
If this were for Multiplayer, the entire text would be boiled down to one sentence: "Get an admin to give you stacks of diamond and other mats"
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Well this is just me but... Water moats are so wet and dirty and annoying.... Real men make moats of liquid hellfire forged in the bowels of the earth and torn from the teat of the unholy adminium. Real MANLY Men create a LAVAFALL of death.
Actually, my thread is about minecraft... based on the book "The Art of War"
It's about the Art of War, in Minecraft. This is the most pertinent place to put it, so that many people see it whence it's finished.
Actually, your thread is about war in Minecraft, which is pointless in the SINGLE player thread, since you're talking about MULTIPLAYER. Exposure levels don't make this the right forum to post in; it's not a red-light district window to pimp your thread.
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Every time I come to these forums, I think more and more that I'm the only person who plays Minecraft normally.
Every time I come to these forums, I think more and more that there is no such thing as playing Minecraft normally.
Actually, my thread is about minecraft... based on the book "The Art of War"
It's about the Art of War, in Minecraft. This is the most pertinent place to put it, so that many people see it whence it's finished.
Actually, your thread is about war in Minecraft, which is pointless in the SINGLE player thread, since you're talking about MULTIPLAYER. Exposure levels don't make this the right forum to post in; it's not a red-light district window to pimp your thread.
Actually you're right... I thought this WAS the multiplayer thread... It's my mistake. Sorry guys.
Actually, my thread is about minecraft... based on the book "The Art of War"
It's about the Art of War, in Minecraft. This is the most pertinent place to put it, so that many people see it whence it's finished.
Actually, your thread is about war in Minecraft, which is pointless in the SINGLE player thread, since you're talking about MULTIPLAYER. Exposure levels don't make this the right forum to post in; it's not a red-light district window to pimp your thread.
Actually you're right... I thought this WAS the multiplayer thread... It's my mistake. Sorry guys.
Coolio. You can ask a mod to move it for you, when they're done cleaning up 5000 troll and spam threads and handing out warnings and bans. So it should get moved by next week. :biggrin.gif: It is a nice piece of work, I'll be interested in the finished product.
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Every time I come to these forums, I think more and more that I'm the only person who plays Minecraft normally.
Every time I come to these forums, I think more and more that there is no such thing as playing Minecraft normally.
Little weird for minecraft, put pretty epic nonetheless.
Also I read the book (Art of War), still have it in my book bag for when I need to wait for the train. To any one else to who read it, did at least the beginning feel a bit obvious? Like long wars cost more money, or superior armor is superior. My friend argues that it was for a time when people had a education equivalent to a first graders and that these things may not have been obvious, but still....
Little weird for minecraft, put pretty epic nonetheless.
Also I read the book (Art of War), still have it in my book bag for when I need to wait for the train. To any one else to who read it, did at least the beginning feel a bit obvious? Like long wars cost more money, or superior armor is superior. My friend argues that it was for a time when people had a education equivalent to a first graders and that these things may not have been obvious, but still....
Yep, to me some of that stuff was common sense, but your friend is right. People weren't stupid but their knowledge base wasn't nearly as broad, so a lot of stuff merely didn't occur to them, and this book would have been a godsend. Look at the guy who used exponential counting with that chessboard and the grains of rice; he was pretty clever for his day, he got an Imperial advisory position out of that. For my own self, I'd put my military command skill, trained by decades of tactical and strategic games, up against any number of standard real military leaders from the past; I'm also not beholden to any kind of ridiculous formalities or codes either like many leaders and armies were. And even a total idiot of today has more basic information in his tiny mind than a learned man of some ages past (using that information smartly is a separate issue). You've probably had more raw data in your bookbag merely to keep you occupied during idle travel-wait time than entire civilisations have had collected knowledge bases.
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Every time I come to these forums, I think more and more that I'm the only person who plays Minecraft normally.
Every time I come to these forums, I think more and more that there is no such thing as playing Minecraft normally.
Alright guys. I'm done with it for today, anything I add from now on will probably be fitting into the Practical Warfare section rather than the Theory. I have a bunch more ideas but they don't really effect the complete-ness of the thread.
Try not to skim it all but maybe that's just me being a selfish author speaking XD
Happy reading!
Oh and if it sucks you better tell me before I feel all accomplished.
From what I gather, it's a guide to PvP in multiplayer?
A bit long, but I'm sure people will find it useful for reading parts, possibly. If you want to make things link, you can do things like -snip-
Yeah, I put it in the wrong section by accident when posting. I was pretty excited to convert my 18 page rough draft in word into forum format... so I rushed a bit XD.
Basically, it's an pre-emptive attempt at a guide to clan wars in minecraft, but could be applied in smaller situations. It's for when Multiplayer is perfected, so people aren't completely clueless as to how to fight and defend themselves.
I'm going to be updating it constantly as new materials and new ideas come about.
Also, thanks so much for the formatting idea, it makes the post a lot easier to navigate.
12/18/2012
With all that said, farewell Minecraft community, thanks for your compliments, your criticisms, and for making my experience with the game an enjoyable one.
Regards,
VMaximus
P.S. Sorry for breaking the post character limit and having it increased... twice.
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If this were for Multiplayer, the entire text would be boiled down to one sentence: "Get an admin to give you stacks of diamond and other mats"
Actually, your thread is about war in Minecraft, which is pointless in the SINGLE player thread, since you're talking about MULTIPLAYER. Exposure levels don't make this the right forum to post in; it's not a red-light district window to pimp your thread.
It's about the Art of War.
Actually you're right... I thought this WAS the multiplayer thread... It's my mistake. Sorry guys.
thank you for taking the time to right this up man.
Coolio. You can ask a mod to move it for you, when they're done cleaning up 5000 troll and spam threads and handing out warnings and bans. So it should get moved by next week. :biggrin.gif: It is a nice piece of work, I'll be interested in the finished product.
Also I read the book (Art of War), still have it in my book bag for when I need to wait for the train. To any one else to who read it, did at least the beginning feel a bit obvious? Like long wars cost more money, or superior armor is superior. My friend argues that it was for a time when people had a education equivalent to a first graders and that these things may not have been obvious, but still....
Yep, to me some of that stuff was common sense, but your friend is right. People weren't stupid but their knowledge base wasn't nearly as broad, so a lot of stuff merely didn't occur to them, and this book would have been a godsend. Look at the guy who used exponential counting with that chessboard and the grains of rice; he was pretty clever for his day, he got an Imperial advisory position out of that. For my own self, I'd put my military command skill, trained by decades of tactical and strategic games, up against any number of standard real military leaders from the past; I'm also not beholden to any kind of ridiculous formalities or codes either like many leaders and armies were. And even a total idiot of today has more basic information in his tiny mind than a learned man of some ages past (using that information smartly is a separate issue). You've probably had more raw data in your bookbag merely to keep you occupied during idle travel-wait time than entire civilisations have had collected knowledge bases.
Try not to skim it all but maybe that's just me being a selfish author speaking XD
Happy reading!
Oh and if it sucks you better tell me before I feel all accomplished.
Nice job, though.
That said, I like this one.
The National Socialist of minecraftforums, since 2010!
A bit long, but I'm sure people will find it useful for reading parts, possibly. If you want to make things link, you can do things like
for the table of contents to sections. In use:
Text
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Hope you find use in that... it will be helpful if you use it.
Yeah, I put it in the wrong section by accident when posting. I was pretty excited to convert my 18 page rough draft in word into forum format... so I rushed a bit XD.
Basically, it's an pre-emptive attempt at a guide to clan wars in minecraft, but could be applied in smaller situations. It's for when Multiplayer is perfected, so people aren't completely clueless as to how to fight and defend themselves.
I'm going to be updating it constantly as new materials and new ideas come about.
Also, thanks so much for the formatting idea, it makes the post a lot easier to navigate.
@ Cadet Marrero:
What is tmd?