NOTE: This is not a rant, this is just an opinion/suggestion so Minecraft can reach more satisfaction
So recently Notch released Beta 1.2 and this update added a wider range of possibilities to Minecraft. One of the main features in this update are the dyes that can be applied to sheep and their wool. One of the ingredients thats makes it possible to dye sheep is bonemeal. Bonemeal is acquired by killing skeletons.
Skeletons drop bones now.
Bones = 3 Bonemeal
If you didn't know already bonemeal can be used to INSTANTLY grow grain and trees (there might be more I don't know about).
My Opinion: If bonemeal is supposed to act as a fertilizer, then the time crops take to be fully grown should probably be reduced. They shouldn't be grown fully immediately in one second. I know that this sounds like I'm trying to make MC more realistic, and knowing that MC is a very unrealistic game hence the fact in real life tearing down a house with your hands can take hours, and tearing down one in MC can take you minutes, but I think bonemeal should not have the ability to grow trees/grain immediately because it makes the game way too easy.
HOWEVER... people say bonemeal is an efficient way to get wood and is a life saver..
Should bonemeal changed? I want your opinion. Please be ON TOPIC when replying.
Some poll results:
EDITS:
1.19.11 - I'm changing the poll due to more ideas. FINAL POLL.
It amazes me that in a game where you are encouraged to do whatever you want people still want to complain about things like this. The answer is simple if you do not want to use it Invedit/MCedit/Bonemeal/charcoal Whatever Do not use it.
If you are admin on smp I'm shure you can control things like this on your world
It amazes me that in a game where you are encouraged to do whatever you want people still want to complain about things like this. The answer is simple if you do not want to use it Invedit/MCedit/Bonemeal/charcoal Whatever Do not use it.
If you are admin on smp I'm shure you can control things like this on your world
And then there's the other 90% of people in the world who actually like to discuss why things are broken instead of putting on a blindfold.
And then there's the other 90% of people in the world who actually like to discuss why things are broken instead of putting on a blindfold.
Then enlighten us; why is it broken? It's a lot easier for me to set up a tree farm than it is to hunt for skeletons. And instantaneous tree growth is useful for building and stuff.
How is this broken? If you are gonna spawn yourself tons of bones to use for fertilizer, why not just spawn the end products directly and skip the middleman. (ie wood and wheat)
Otherwise, obtaining massive quantities of bonemeal is not feasible, seeing as you need to fight Skeletons to get it. If you built a monster spawner/grinder, you've already won the game anyways.
First of all this poll is stupid. One you have to work to get bonemeal (unless you find a dungeon), you have to kill skeletons and sometimes they may not drop bonemeal. Two peple that play on peaceful difficulty cannot get it because mobs drop it. Three i dont think its a big deal, i ;like getting stuff faster like trees :biggrin.gif:
Yeah, it's a little debatable. If you're fighting the skeletons "fairly" then it's handy that one of the things they drop helps you grow your recovery food faster. Where it gets unbalanced is when people build dungeon traps or general spawning grinders. But once you've got the resources to do that sort of thing, it doesn't really make much difference how fast trees/wheat grow. (Both my tree farm and my wheat farm produce more than I could use even without bonemeal.)
It would have been better if the zombie's drops had been changed, though. Zombies are still pretty useless at the moment -- zombie spawner traps are mostly a waste of time, while skeleton traps were already useful. This change just unbalanced things even further.
It amazes me that in a game where you are encouraged to do whatever you want people still want to complain about things like this. The answer is simple if you do not want to use it Invedit/MCedit/Bonemeal/charcoal Whatever Do not use it.
If you are admin on smp I'm shure you can control things like this on your world
And then there's the other 90% of people in the world who actually like to discuss why things are broken instead of putting on a blindfold.
We can edit things into our inventories. We can mod the game to do things that aren't in it originally.
And you complain about a thing as simple as Bonemeal being "broken"? No.
Bonemeal is fine... Please, OP, stop making new polls :\
This is the first thread I made in months lol...
Yes, I checked after writing the post. There was another guy earlier who had a poll that ended in just about the same way.
Anyway, Bonemeal only gets ridiculous once you have a spawner. But by then (unless extremely lucky) you'll have a massive treefarm/farm anyway, and bonemeal will be all but useless. As it is now, the balance is fair.
It only really helps you get wood and wheat. Wood is easy to get anyway, and wheat makes bread, which is a pretty shti health item. Who cares if you speed these things up?
Might be a little too common, maybe skeletons should only drop when you kill them, or 1 bone= 1 meal, but Im fine.
Although it feels odd to harvest so much in the mornings now...
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It only really helps you get wood and wheat. Wood is easy to get anyway, and wheat makes bread, which is a pretty shti health item. Who cares if you speed these things up?
Actually bread is only a bad in-combat health item. It is still the best out-of-combat health item there is, due to its easy craftability and stackability.
Like i said in the other poll regarding this, people only whine when their game gets harder, not when it gets easier.
Also anyone saying you have to farm skeletons to get bonemeal is stupid tbh. You can collect quite a bit of bonemeal without a single sword swing, how? Well there this thing called spawning at night, and then when the sun comes up? Poof, dead skeletons, and bones everywhere. I've gotten so many bones i just started leaving them everywhere.
Farming is already jokingly easy to do, or gather porkchops, or anything for food, it just seems kinda silly to make tree farming even more easy then it already is.
And then there's the other 90% of people in the world who actually like to discuss why things are broken instead of putting on a blindfold.
Then enlighten us; why is it broken? It's a lot easier for me to set up a tree farm than it is to hunt for skeletons. And instantaneous tree growth is useful for building and stuff.
Four words, which the OP already wrote more or less.
It
Is
Too
Easy
On that note, I'm not gonna even waste the effort or time to respond to any idiot who is just gonna say. "If you don't like it, don't use it." If i was working with a designer and that was their answer to evaluating how something is, I'd probably fire them, that's about as lazy ass as you can get. Please provide meaningful discussion or click the back button. Other then that, by all means! I love to discuss the pros/cons to each thing.
My opinion: Personally i think the only nerf it'd need is either: Make it not grow plants instantly, or make alot less bonemeal per bone, maybe 1:1. As of now it just made easy crap even easier. On wheat its not a big deal, its more that it piles up and makes tree farming even more of a joke then it already is. For the sake of not screwing people out of dye though i think i should just speedup plant growth instead of it being instant.. vs nerfing the bonemeal per bone.
So recently Notch released Beta 1.2 and this update added a wider range of possibilities to Minecraft. One of the main features in this update are the dyes that can be applied to sheep and their wool. One of the ingredients thats makes it possible to dye sheep is bonemeal. Bonemeal is acquired by killing skeletons.
Skeletons drop bones now.
Bones = 3 Bonemeal
If you didn't know already bonemeal can be used to INSTANTLY grow grain and trees (there might be more I don't know about).
My Opinion: If bonemeal is supposed to act as a fertilizer, then the time crops take to be fully grown should probably be reduced. They shouldn't be grown fully immediately in one second. I know that this sounds like I'm trying to make MC more realistic, and knowing that MC is a very unrealistic game hence the fact in real life tearing down a house with your hands can take hours, and tearing down one in MC can take you minutes, but I think bonemeal should not have the ability to grow trees/grain immediately because it makes the game way too easy.
HOWEVER... people say bonemeal is an efficient way to get wood and is a life saver..
Should bonemeal changed? I want your opinion.
Please be ON TOPIC when replying.
Some poll results:
EDITS:
1.19.11 - I'm changing the poll due to more ideas. FINAL POLL.
Results after 450 votes!
61 votes!
If you are admin on smp I'm shure you can control things like this on your world
Srs face.
http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=211244
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Prizes: [Zombie], [Diamond] x10
And then there's the other 90% of people in the world who actually like to discuss why things are broken instead of putting on a blindfold.
Then enlighten us; why is it broken? It's a lot easier for me to set up a tree farm than it is to hunt for skeletons. And instantaneous tree growth is useful for building and stuff.
Otherwise, obtaining massive quantities of bonemeal is not feasible, seeing as you need to fight Skeletons to get it. If you built a monster spawner/grinder, you've already won the game anyways.
This is the first thread I made in months lol...
It would have been better if the zombie's drops had been changed, though. Zombies are still pretty useless at the moment -- zombie spawner traps are mostly a waste of time, while skeleton traps were already useful. This change just unbalanced things even further.
We can edit things into our inventories. We can mod the game to do things that aren't in it originally.
And you complain about a thing as simple as Bonemeal being "broken"? No.
Yes, I checked after writing the post. There was another guy earlier who had a poll that ended in just about the same way.
Anyway, Bonemeal only gets ridiculous once you have a spawner. But by then (unless extremely lucky) you'll have a massive treefarm/farm anyway, and bonemeal will be all but useless. As it is now, the balance is fair.
Although it feels odd to harvest so much in the mornings now...
Actually bread is only a bad in-combat health item. It is still the best out-of-combat health item there is, due to its easy craftability and stackability.
Also anyone saying you have to farm skeletons to get bonemeal is stupid tbh. You can collect quite a bit of bonemeal without a single sword swing, how? Well there this thing called spawning at night, and then when the sun comes up? Poof, dead skeletons, and bones everywhere. I've gotten so many bones i just started leaving them everywhere.
Farming is already jokingly easy to do, or gather porkchops, or anything for food, it just seems kinda silly to make tree farming even more easy then it already is.
1 bone = 3 bonemeal
3 bonemeal = 3 wheat
3 wheat = 1 bread.
So 1 skeleton = 1-2 bread. What's so bad about this, again?
Four words, which the OP already wrote more or less.
It
Is
Too
Easy
On that note, I'm not gonna even waste the effort or time to respond to any idiot who is just gonna say. "If you don't like it, don't use it." If i was working with a designer and that was their answer to evaluating how something is, I'd probably fire them, that's about as lazy ass as you can get. Please provide meaningful discussion or click the back button. Other then that, by all means! I love to discuss the pros/cons to each thing.
My opinion: Personally i think the only nerf it'd need is either: Make it not grow plants instantly, or make alot less bonemeal per bone, maybe 1:1. As of now it just made easy crap even easier. On wheat its not a big deal, its more that it piles up and makes tree farming even more of a joke then it already is. For the sake of not screwing people out of dye though i think i should just speedup plant growth instead of it being instant.. vs nerfing the bonemeal per bone.