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Quote from BodOwens

Wow, it does look a lot better! Is the enforced fog cliche in swamps still applies?

Fog would look great. I suppose it would be easy to add; whenever it rains, just create a new cloud layer just above the water and force the render distance to tiny (or keep your render distance and just force bedrock fog or something).

Quote from FeatherGuy

I don't think cypress trees live in swamps, although willows certainly do live near water. How about mangrove trees? They look like cypress with the mass of roots but shorter and have wider crowns. And the water level could be shorter.

I based the trees off of what popped up in Google Images. Apparently, they DO exist in wetlands. According to this article, anyway.

I wouldn't mind mangrove trees, but I dislike short trees in general. Since they'll have lots of short branches and leaves at the water level, you'll find it hard to boat across the swamp. You'll also bump your head all the time on land.

(edit: Just saw that Vasouv said no in the poll. Gave me a laugh.)

I came here thinking it would just be another idiot ranting about swamps, but this is actually a very good idea! You have my support.

Recently I've seen a lot of threads whining about swamps. You have the same problem, but you act on the problem and propose an answer to that problem, instead of simply whining that swamps have to be removed. I like your ideas and I like that you do not whine. Support.

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I think its awesome. And, what about crocediles? They will be pretty rare and hostile. Or maybe just neutral and drop stuff like croc teeth, used in weapons. Or maybe croc leather.

Maybe, but crocodiles and alligators have been suggested to death. I'm not saying that they are bad ideas, but if we're adding alligators then swamps will have more biome-specific mobs than any other biome. I'm not saying that that is a bad thing, but they would be better suited to a mob/biome update than simply overhauling swamps.

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I came here thinking it would just be another idiot ranting about swamps, but this is actually a very good idea! You have my support.

Quote from aheberle

Recently I've seen a lot of threads whining about swamps. You have the same problem, but you act on the problem and propose an answer to that problem, instead of simply whining that swamps have to be removed. I like your ideas and I like that you do not whine. Support.

Thank you. You don't know how many people I see that make senseless rants on things. Even when the thing they want changed is actually worthwhile to change, they make no suggestions on how to improve it. This thread was actually kind of a response to those threads (specifically the "Swamps must go!" thread).

Quote from FeatherGuy

I don't think cypress trees live in swamps, although willows certainly do live near water. How about mangrove trees? They look like cypress with the mass of roots but shorter and have wider crowns. And the water level could be shorter.

Coming back on this: I'm thinking of an idea for an improved terrain generator. I imagine that mangroves grow in tropical areas (if they don't... oh well). The generator i'm thinking of would pretty much allow for both temperate swamps and tropical swamps (as well as a bunch of other biomes like savannas and redwood forests). The swamps I suggested could be temperate swamps, while tropical swamps could replace the cypresses with mangroves.

Good idea adding some new trees to swamps, but how about adding vines to the willow tree.
The cypress trees just look right, with those big twisting roots and that, perfect.
As for the color change, I kind of like the depressing color of the swamps, but that's just my opinion. (I guess i'm weird like that.)

I support this.

Nah, cave spiders are very strong. They should stay confined to the depths.

According to the scale model, the number of exposed land is very low, it means that slimes will drown, so how do we keep slimes from drowning?

Quote from BodOwens

According to the scale model, the number of exposed land is very low, it means that slimes will drown, so how do we keep slimes from drowning?

don't let them spawn in swamps? let them uncommonly spawn in plains maybe?

Quote from Runick

don't let them spawn in swamps? let them uncommonly spawn in plains maybe?

I don't think that's a good idea.

Quote from BodOwens

I don't think that's a good idea.

Well I'm all out of ideas.

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Well I'm all out of ideas.

Not letting slimes drown is a good idea.

I like the new generation but do not think new mobs are needed. Two new tree types seems kinda overkill too. I would like it more if it were just oak trees generated in a certain shape. I also still feel that the grass needs to be slightly darker than in other biomes. Also, instead of a new plant, there could simply be leaves in the water with a log under it to stop it from decaying just like bushes in jungles. I also think that there should still be sand and clay, but much less sand.

Quote from BodOwens

Not letting slimes drown is a good idea.

Maybe make them float on water? As in, they'll treat water as land; they can bounce on it and somesuch.

Quote from Artifact123

I like the new generation but do not think new mobs are needed. Two new tree types seems kinda overkill too. I would like it more if it were just oak trees generated in a certain shape. I also still feel that the grass needs to be slightly darker than in other biomes. Also, instead of a new plant, there could simply be leaves in the water with a log under it to stop it from decaying just like bushes in jungles. I also think that there should still be sand and clay, but much less sand.

It appears that you have quite different opinions than me.

Darker grass, quite simply, makes it ugly. Especially the greenish-blackish-purple we have now.

Leaves substituting for duckweed would not look as good as duckweed itself.

There's no reason not to have more trees. Forests get two (birch and oak) and jungles get two (jungle and oak) so why not two here too?

Clay and sand should not spawn here, simply because of the lack of dry land. Even if sand and clay are rare, due to the way they generate it'll just create ugly splotches here too. The bed of the water would look ugly and the land would look ugly due to the splotches reaching up on to the land.

(I also hate the new generator but that's irrelevant.)

I think some few frogs could be added, the second trees you show are very good, I liked them so much, the first not at all,
they could drop poison, that can be used in next versions for making poison darts, but have to be a very little quantify of
frogs to not unbalance the game and make all so much easy, just my wonder.

Quote from Kholdstare

Maybe make them float on water? As in, they'll treat water as land; they can bounce on it and somesuch.




It appears that you have quite different opinions than me.

Darker grass, quite simply, makes it ugly. Especially the greenish-blackish-purple we have now.

Leaves substituting for duckweed would not look as good as duckweed itself.

There's no reason not to have more trees. Forests get two (birch and oak) and jungles get two (jungle and oak) so why not two here too?

Clay and sand should not spawn here, simply because of the lack of dry land. Even if sand and clay are rare, due to the way they generate it'll just create ugly splotches here too. The bed of the water would look ugly and the land would look ugly due to the splotches reaching up on to the land.

(I also hate the new generator but that's irrelevant.)

Yeah but Jungle and Forest use already existing oak trees so they only have one new tree. Wht is the point of having new types of trees if the logs and leaves barely look different? Trees that are naturally generated are counted as structures just like dungeons and villages. That's also how vines generate on swamp trees. The cypress and willow trees, unless their wood looks really different, might as well use oak logs and leaves generated in a certain shape to resemble these trees. And I'm saying grass should be SLIGHTLY darker than normal grass, not as dark as it is in current swamps. And as of now swamps serve as a nice way of acquiring plenty of clay easily Just dirt would look dull as hell.

Quote from Artifact123

Yeah but Jungle and Forest use already existing oak trees so they only have one new tree. Wht is the point of having new types of trees if the logs and leaves barely look different? Trees that are naturally generated are counted as structures just like dungeons and villages. That's also how vines generate on swamp trees. The cypress and willow trees, unless their wood looks really different, might as well use oak logs and leaves generated in a certain shape to resemble these trees. And I'm saying grass should be SLIGHTLY darker than normal grass, not as dark as it is in current swamps. And as of now swamps serve as a nice way of acquiring plenty of clay easily Just dirt would look dull as hell.

It should just use the default swamp coloring (the one under the overlay), whatever it is. The picture uses jungle as a placeholder.

And, anyway, it should use new logs. The ones in the pictures use oak and jungle logs as placeholders (i'm no artist) but it would give builders more options which is always a good thing. Not to mention that if you wanted more cypresses or willows, you would have to manually build them like I did (all of those trees took around 30 minutes to build combined which was a pain in the butt, and I was on creative) if they used oak and jungle logs.

Oh, and plain dirt would be "dull as hell"? Yeah, well, it would be ugly as hell otherwise. I don't care if clay is easy to get in swamps, clay is easy to get in any shallow body of water (aka rivers and springs).

I like swamps right now how they are ugly, not everything ANYWHERE is pretty.
Think of swamps as those ugly dogs, they are ugly in a nice way, same as swamps.