I had another topic asking if there was any plans for this. It appears not. Also people seem torn weather it was good or not.
The way I see it, wooden tools are far too quickly replaced. After building a wooden pick the very next thing you do is collect 3 cobble stone blocks and make a stone pick, that for ever replaces any wooden tools you would have ever made.
And when you fall back on your most basic tool, its always a stone tool seeing as stone is so much more bountiful.
and my very last reason for letting stone be the new tier1 tool.
in real life *gasp* rocks and stones are the lowest tier of tool mankind has used. So unless a new player seen a minecraft video or knew before hand to make a wooden pick, he/she would assume the first tool they made would need to be of stone just from there knowledge of human history.
Simply allowing people to collect cobble stone (albe it very slowly) by hand would allow you to set stone tools as tier1. You dont even need to remove wooden tools, just allowing people to punch cobble stone to collect it would be enough that no one would ever bother even making a wooden pick any more.
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That's like spawning in a world where the grass is diamond, the dirt is iron, the stone is redstone and the trees are coal, but there's no wood to make a pickaxe with.
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"Minecraft? Realistic? Really? This is a game where you punch trees to get wood, you can make the wood into wooden planks in less than five seconds, and trees don't fall even if you remove a piece of the trunk from the middle. This is a game where animate corpses, giant spiders and exploding green terrorists emerge at night to hunt you down, farm animals run rampant across the countryside, and you can stop the flow of molten lava with a block of snow."
To get basic tools humans would get large stones found on the ground and use them to sharpen other stones that they would then use as scrapers to clean hides or tie to a stick for a club or spear like weapon.
Seeing as minecraft doesnt have loose rocks just laying around I thought the best way to interpret that would be to punch stone to get cobble stone. in real life this can be thought of as pulling lose rocks from the stone cliff side. Much like punching a tree can be seen as breaking off branches rather than cutting a tree down with your hand.
if you was to take a wooden pick to a stone wall, the pick would break really quickly and you would have nothing to show for it.
My standing isnt "This is how it works in real life, so it should work exactly like this in the game". but rather
"This is one way simulate realism through the game's mechanics".
Here is one way of looking at it with no realism interpretation involved:
"If you can punch down a tree, you should beable to punch down stone"
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But then all the other things would be taken out... and breaking stone with your hands makes pick axes almost completly useless.
he means you slowly break your first 3 stone blocks with your hands, make a pick, mine the rest with stone since that's what you'll be using most of the time
But then all the other things would be taken out... and breaking stone with your hands makes pick axes almost completly useless.
he means you slowly break your first 3 stone blocks with your hands, make a pick, mine the rest with stone since that's what you'll be using most of the time
Why not just break a tree, make a pick, then get stone?
As for me, I'd be screwed without wooden tools. I get caught out at night with all my stone stuff worn out, I need my emergency supplies, however lousy.
Better idea is just balancing the weapons somehow to make wood more useful.
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But then all the other things would be taken out... and breaking stone with your hands makes pick axes almost completly useless.
he means you slowly break your first 3 stone blocks with your hands, make a pick, mine the rest with stone since that's what you'll be using most of the time
Why not just break a tree, make a pick, then get stone?
As for me, I'd be screwed without wooden tools. I get caught out at night with all my stone stuff worn out, I need my emergency supplies, however lousy.
Better idea is just balancing the weapons somehow to make wood more useful.
This used to be the case. Notch removed the ability to destroy stone with your bare hands to force people to use the wooden pick-axe. Chances are, its probably not going back.
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whut would you actually se them for? other than other implausibkle suggestions?
The way I see it, wooden tools are far too quickly replaced. After building a wooden pick the very next thing you do is collect 3 cobble stone blocks and make a stone pick, that for ever replaces any wooden tools you would have ever made.
And when you fall back on your most basic tool, its always a stone tool seeing as stone is so much more bountiful.
and my very last reason for letting stone be the new tier1 tool.
in real life *gasp* rocks and stones are the lowest tier of tool mankind has used. So unless a new player seen a minecraft video or knew before hand to make a wooden pick, he/she would assume the first tool they made would need to be of stone just from there knowledge of human history.
Simply allowing people to collect cobble stone (albe it very slowly) by hand would allow you to set stone tools as tier1. You dont even need to remove wooden tools, just allowing people to punch cobble stone to collect it would be enough that no one would ever bother even making a wooden pick any more.
That too.
Realism argument followed by "LOLPUNCHSTONE!" is just...Well, dumb. Why beat around the bush? That was just dumb. XP
Seeing as minecraft doesnt have loose rocks just laying around I thought the best way to interpret that would be to punch stone to get cobble stone. in real life this can be thought of as pulling lose rocks from the stone cliff side. Much like punching a tree can be seen as breaking off branches rather than cutting a tree down with your hand.
if you was to take a wooden pick to a stone wall, the pick would break really quickly and you would have nothing to show for it.
My standing isnt "This is how it works in real life, so it should work exactly like this in the game". but rather
"This is one way simulate realism through the game's mechanics".
Here is one way of looking at it with no realism interpretation involved:
"If you can punch down a tree, you should beable to punch down stone"
he means you slowly break your first 3 stone blocks with your hands, make a pick, mine the rest with stone since that's what you'll be using most of the time
That's like disabling the ability to dig a dirt cave as shelter because once you have a castle you don't need dirt caves anymore.
Why not just break a tree, make a pick, then get stone?
As for me, I'd be screwed without wooden tools. I get caught out at night with all my stone stuff worn out, I need my emergency supplies, however lousy.
Better idea is just balancing the weapons somehow to make wood more useful.
agreed
I'm sick of people like you. Actually read the op or shut the **** up, its all very clearly outlined.
I read it. It said nothing about anything that would improve the game. Maybe you need to read it and get off my damn back.
Everybody does except the guy who started this thread.
spell check died today...
To me, it doesn't matter. But how would you get stone so quickly?
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