Back when Mojang wasn't entirely owned by Microsoft, the updates that were made were usually not security fixes but was new things that were added to the game.
Do you think that they should update the version every time there are security fixes, or whenever there is an actual update to the game that is notable?
Of course, securing the game of exploitation is nice and all, but it doesn't entirely deserve a version # update in my opinion.
Patches affecting software version identifiers is an industry standard dating back decades and there is absolutely no reason not to do it, it brings consistency and awareness of progress to those who need it (servers, modders...). The system right now works just fine; bugfixes and security updates increment the right-most value while major content updates increment the middle one.
Also, Mojang is the one developing, releasing and labelling these updates, not MS.
If they didn't have different version numbers, you wouldn't know if you were running the secure version or the unsecure version. You have to use your head.
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Software versions work like this: major.minor.patch (you could swap those words with other things but that's basically it). All 1.x.x patches are like this. The 1.X patches (1.7, 1.8, etc.) are the ones where they add new content.
Don't forget, the Mojang team still works on Minecraft. I don't see why Microsoft would just control which numbers to name the update.
What do you mean it "ruins the tradition"? Look at 1.7.2 through 1.7.10, 1.4.2 through 1.4.7, etc. They all have patches that fix issues (and maybe small changes sometimes). 1.0.4 wasn't the Pretty Scary Update, 1.4 was.
Yes they should update the x.x.x version number every time they release a security patch. That's how pretty much everyone does it, and how it's always been done in Minecraft. Security fixes are important.
It's been many months since 1.8 was released. I wouldn't want to wait all they way till 1.9 to get security fixes.
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Two things....Before 1.8 came out, around 1.7.4 days, when searching for Minecraft information (builds, seeds, etc) I would find beta1.8 stuff. Stuff that was no longer current, but seemed like it was. Confused the hell out of me, how the beta from years ago had a higher version number than the release did. Then I saw MCPE. Still in alpha, but when they post the snapshots for it, they call it beta even though the screenshot says alpha.
I don't even know how many times I have said this but. Microsoft does not do the updates for minecraft, it only owns it. Mojang is still running it like if nothing happened. Please, please stop saying things like Microsoft this Microsoft that. For Mojang is still developing the game. Microsoft is simply the funding of it.
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Seriously though, I don't see what's wrong with having a bunch of updates to fix bugs rather than just one big update. Better have them be fixed immediately instead of a year or two from now, since that's how often the major updates get released now. And, to be frank, Minecraft seriously needs some bug fixing. Like, desperately.
The one thing that concerns me, the OP seems more interested in additional features than glaring security holes. Not to mention the bugs. I don't think we'll ever really see a fully optimized game.
I've noticed a big disconnect between generations in understanding software version releases, difference between developer and publisher, need for security and bug-free programming. Kind of sad.
To answer your question about my opinion, HellsTheNetha; there is absolutely nothing happening now that hasn't happened with Minecraft since 2010-ish. There isn't anything different happening here since the 80's with programming. Your musings are not productive and discoveries of thought would be better spent on other topics.
The one thing that concerns me, the OP seems more interested in additional features than glaring security holes. Not to mention the bugs. I don't think we'll ever really see a fully optimized game.
I've noticed a big disconnect between generations in understanding software version releases, difference between developer and publisher, need for security and bug-free programming. Kind of sad.
To answer your question about my opinion, HellsTheNetha; there is absolutely nothing happening now that hasn't happened with Minecraft since 2010-ish. There isn't anything different happening here since the 80's with programming. Your musings are not productive and discoveries of thought would be better spent on other topics.
"Big disconnect between generations" is a hefty generalization. But more on the point. All Microsoft did when they bought minecraft was put a big fat "we're making money off this" label on it. Other than that, Microsoft doesn't really make much input on the game or how it's developed/updated.
@DanAllen117, I understand, but I've slowly started loosing my faith in humanity when 1) a 10 year old tried telling me that the sinking of the Titanic was just a movie, it never really happened. 2) A girl asked me after I showed her the giant book I was reading, (JRR Tolkien "The Lord of the Rings" yes it had all the books, abridged notations and excerpts form unfinished novels) and said "They made a book out of the movie?!" 3) a 13 year old tried arguing with me that the United States' Independence Day was our celebration of independence from France. Something is odd when two decades of age difference, these things are happening.
However, that is off topic. I really do try my best when it comes to these things not to generalize, but an overwhelming majority of kids who are growing up in the world today have unrealistic expectations and don't bother looking into something before spouting off about it.
I also am very well aware that Microsoft and Mojang have both repeated over and over again that Microsoft will NOT be influencing Mojang in any way, except to cut any funding when Minecraft stops being popular and selling.
I think I also woke up on the wrong side of the coffin this morning ;-)
I didn't realize that Microsoft didn't fully own the company (and game) at the time and I apologize for that.
Microsoft DOES fully own Mojang. Just because they own it, though, doesn't mean they want to be making all/any of the decisions beyond money concerns. Think of it as a parent paying for a game for their kid to play. Even though the parent is the one footing the bill, they're not necessarily going to be interested in playing the game and might only play along with the kid (or not even play at all and just occasionally check up on things to make sure everything's on the up and up).
If u update the source code, the version should reference this entirely
You yourself, you had something cool you wrote, you saved the source, you wrote a patch to fix some things or add another, and did not update the version identifier, so both versions state the same, main difference is then most likely filesize, is this sufficient? No, another person using the app would look at this new version, look at it, be all like "its the same.. meh", not to mention the issues you would see down the road from the unmatched code from the unmatched version
In programming, the version number is split into 2 (sometimes 3) parts, known as major & minor, the major build (say 1 for minecraft) is typically incremented when a large milestone has been completed, or a huge step in the overall system.
The minor (say .8 for minecraft) is typically used for minor additions or small updates, such as general fixes or patches
For minecraft/microsoft, i would say they are following standards really well, however they use a third placement for version reference, which we will call the build ID, so we could then say that the major here is the actual app version, so minecraft version 1. while the minor would then
List the newest implementation ID for the milestone (EG:7/8/9), while build simply lists the build ID of said milestone
It is also good to note that the "decimal" in version numbering is not actually a decimal place, for example, 1.8 is NOT "one & one eighth", it is simply the 8th release of version 1 of said program.
@DanAllen117, I understand, but I've slowly started loosing my faith in humanity when 1) a 10 year old tried telling me that the sinking of the Titanic was just a movie, it never really happened. 2) A girl asked me after I showed her the giant book I was reading, (JRR Tolkien "The Lord of the Rings" yes it had all the books, abridged notations and excerpts form unfinished novels) and said "They made a book out of the movie?!" 3) a 13 year old tried arguing with me that the United States' Independence Day was our celebration of independence from France. Something is odd when two decades of age difference, these things are happening.
However, that is off topic. I really do try my best when it comes to these things not to generalize, but an overwhelming majority of kids who are growing up in the world today have unrealistic expectations and don't bother looking into something before spouting off about it.
I also am very well aware that Microsoft and Mojang have both repeated over and over again that Microsoft will NOT be influencing Mojang in any way, except to cut any funding when Minecraft stops being popular and selling.
I think I also woke up on the wrong side of the coffin this morning ;-)
Well luckily for me. My precise age group, (those born in '92 and '93, narrowly sidestepped the generation of ignorance and lack of overall common knowledge. So I can't blame you too much, or maybe I just surrounded myself with a slightly smarter crowd during my school years. The world may never know. But I do think it's safe to say that because of how minecraft has become popular in the unique manner that it has, it still hasn't quite hit its peak in popularity. For all intents and purposes, it is practically the single longest living game in pop culture since Battle Toads, Pong, and 007 Goldeneye (not in that order).
EEEHHHHH!!!!!! Wrong. Mojang is not owned by Microsoft. The intellectual property that is Minecraft is owned my Microsoft. Microsoft has no ownership over Cobalt, Scrolls, and any other patents carried by Mojang. Markus Persson left the ownership of Mojang in Jens' hands.
I think minecraft should have security updates but not as many! Every version from 1.8.1 to 1.8.7 has had changelog: We have released Minecraft version 1.8.blank to fix some security issues. Updating is highly recommended from older versions, and is 100% compatible with all 1.8 versions.
I miss Friday updates that actually add something!
EEEHHHHH!!!!!! Wrong. Mojang is not owned by Microsoft. The intellectual property that is Minecraft is owned my Microsoft. Microsoft has no ownership over Cobalt, Scrolls, and any other patents carried by Mojang. Markus Persson left the ownership of Mojang in Jens' hands.
Actually, you are wrong. Mojang was bought by Microsoft:
"Yes, the deal is real. Mojang is being bought by Microsoft."
However, Mojang is still operating just as they did before, with Jeb still in charge of the Mojang company, and only Notch being gone. Microsoft is basically the "parent company" of Mojang, which could be considered a "child company". Mojang makes its own decisions, and Microsoft merely checks in to see how things are going. Nobody at Microsoft is working on the Minecraft updates (except for the Hololens development and possibly the Windows 10 Edition.) If Microsoft was doing the updates for Minecraft, Mojang wouldn't exist.
You know, "1.8, 1.8.1, 1.8.2", That stuff.
To me, I think it kind of ruins the tradition.
Back when Mojang wasn't entirely owned by Microsoft, the updates that were made were usually not security fixes but was new things that were added to the game.
Do you think that they should update the version every time there are security fixes, or whenever there is an actual update to the game that is notable?
Of course, securing the game of exploitation is nice and all, but it doesn't entirely deserve a version # update in my opinion.
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Patches affecting software version identifiers is an industry standard dating back decades and there is absolutely no reason not to do it, it brings consistency and awareness of progress to those who need it (servers, modders...). The system right now works just fine; bugfixes and security updates increment the right-most value while major content updates increment the middle one.
Also, Mojang is the one developing, releasing and labelling these updates, not MS.
I see it as Game version.update that adds content.bugfix or security update.
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I facepalmed hard at this.
Figured it was time for a change.
Yes it does deserve a different version number.
If they didn't have different version numbers, you wouldn't know if you were running the secure version or the unsecure version. You have to use your head.
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Software versions work like this: major.minor.patch (you could swap those words with other things but that's basically it). All 1.x.x patches are like this. The 1.X patches (1.7, 1.8, etc.) are the ones where they add new content.
Don't forget, the Mojang team still works on Minecraft. I don't see why Microsoft would just control which numbers to name the update.
What do you mean it "ruins the tradition"? Look at 1.7.2 through 1.7.10, 1.4.2 through 1.4.7, etc. They all have patches that fix issues (and maybe small changes sometimes). 1.0.4 wasn't the Pretty Scary Update, 1.4 was.
Yes they should update the x.x.x version number every time they release a security patch. That's how pretty much everyone does it, and how it's always been done in Minecraft. Security fixes are important.
It's been many months since 1.8 was released. I wouldn't want to wait all they way till 1.9 to get security fixes.
Don't blame Microsoft (again)
Two things....Before 1.8 came out, around 1.7.4 days, when searching for Minecraft information (builds, seeds, etc) I would find beta1.8 stuff. Stuff that was no longer current, but seemed like it was. Confused the hell out of me, how the beta from years ago had a higher version number than the release did. Then I saw MCPE. Still in alpha, but when they post the snapshots for it, they call it beta even though the screenshot says alpha.
I don't even know how many times I have said this but. Microsoft does not do the updates for minecraft, it only owns it. Mojang is still running it like if nothing happened. Please, please stop saying things like Microsoft this Microsoft that. For Mojang is still developing the game. Microsoft is simply the funding of it.
"The only way to do great work is to love what you do" - Steve Jobs
If Microsoft were really doing the update version numbers, they'd screw it up. Where's Windows 9? Learn to count, Microsoft.
Next thing you know, Microsoft will be - gasp! - Making the game run smoother!
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Seriously though, I don't see what's wrong with having a bunch of updates to fix bugs rather than just one big update. Better have them be fixed immediately instead of a year or two from now, since that's how often the major updates get released now. And, to be frank, Minecraft seriously needs some bug fixing. Like, desperately.
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The one thing that concerns me, the OP seems more interested in additional features than glaring security holes. Not to mention the bugs. I don't think we'll ever really see a fully optimized game.
I've noticed a big disconnect between generations in understanding software version releases, difference between developer and publisher, need for security and bug-free programming. Kind of sad.
To answer your question about my opinion, HellsTheNetha; there is absolutely nothing happening now that hasn't happened with Minecraft since 2010-ish. There isn't anything different happening here since the 80's with programming. Your musings are not productive and discoveries of thought would be better spent on other topics.
"Big disconnect between generations" is a hefty generalization. But more on the point. All Microsoft did when they bought minecraft was put a big fat "we're making money off this" label on it. Other than that, Microsoft doesn't really make much input on the game or how it's developed/updated.
@DanAllen117, I understand, but I've slowly started loosing my faith in humanity when 1) a 10 year old tried telling me that the sinking of the Titanic was just a movie, it never really happened. 2) A girl asked me after I showed her the giant book I was reading, (JRR Tolkien "The Lord of the Rings" yes it had all the books, abridged notations and excerpts form unfinished novels) and said "They made a book out of the movie?!" 3) a 13 year old tried arguing with me that the United States' Independence Day was our celebration of independence from France. Something is odd when two decades of age difference, these things are happening.
However, that is off topic. I really do try my best when it comes to these things not to generalize, but an overwhelming majority of kids who are growing up in the world today have unrealistic expectations and don't bother looking into something before spouting off about it.
I also am very well aware that Microsoft and Mojang have both repeated over and over again that Microsoft will NOT be influencing Mojang in any way, except to cut any funding when Minecraft stops being popular and selling.
I think I also woke up on the wrong side of the coffin this morning ;-)
Sorry about my confusion, guys!
I have been living in a rock when it comes to the news of whats been going on with Mojang (The company of Minecraft).
I didn't realize that Microsoft didn't fully own the company (and game) at the time and I apologize for that.
Thank you for your opinions, though!
Microsoft DOES fully own Mojang. Just because they own it, though, doesn't mean they want to be making all/any of the decisions beyond money concerns. Think of it as a parent paying for a game for their kid to play. Even though the parent is the one footing the bill, they're not necessarily going to be interested in playing the game and might only play along with the kid (or not even play at all and just occasionally check up on things to make sure everything's on the up and up).
Ummm.. as a programmer/dev, this is just STUPID
If u update the source code, the version should reference this entirely
You yourself, you had something cool you wrote, you saved the source, you wrote a patch to fix some things or add another, and did not update the version identifier, so both versions state the same, main difference is then most likely filesize, is this sufficient? No, another person using the app would look at this new version, look at it, be all like "its the same.. meh", not to mention the issues you would see down the road from the unmatched code from the unmatched version
In programming, the version number is split into 2 (sometimes 3) parts, known as major & minor, the major build (say 1 for minecraft) is typically incremented when a large milestone has been completed, or a huge step in the overall system.
The minor (say .8 for minecraft) is typically used for minor additions or small updates, such as general fixes or patches
For minecraft/microsoft, i would say they are following standards really well, however they use a third placement for version reference, which we will call the build ID, so we could then say that the major here is the actual app version, so minecraft version 1. while the minor would then
List the newest implementation ID for the milestone (EG:7/8/9), while build simply lists the build ID of said milestone
It is also good to note that the "decimal" in version numbering is not actually a decimal place, for example, 1.8 is NOT "one & one eighth", it is simply the 8th release of version 1 of said program.
Well luckily for me. My precise age group, (those born in '92 and '93, narrowly sidestepped the generation of ignorance and lack of overall common knowledge. So I can't blame you too much, or maybe I just surrounded myself with a slightly smarter crowd during my school years. The world may never know. But I do think it's safe to say that because of how minecraft has become popular in the unique manner that it has, it still hasn't quite hit its peak in popularity. For all intents and purposes, it is practically the single longest living game in pop culture since Battle Toads, Pong, and 007 Goldeneye (not in that order).
EEEHHHHH!!!!!! Wrong. Mojang is not owned by Microsoft. The intellectual property that is Minecraft is owned my Microsoft. Microsoft has no ownership over Cobalt, Scrolls, and any other patents carried by Mojang. Markus Persson left the ownership of Mojang in Jens' hands.
I think minecraft should have security updates but not as many! Every version from 1.8.1 to 1.8.7 has had changelog: We have released Minecraft version 1.8.blank to fix some security issues. Updating is highly recommended from older versions, and is 100% compatible with all 1.8 versions.
I miss Friday updates that actually add something!
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Actually, you are wrong. Mojang was bought by Microsoft:
https://mojang.com/2014/09/yes-were-being-bought-by-microsoft/
"Yes, the deal is real. Mojang is being bought by Microsoft."
However, Mojang is still operating just as they did before, with Jeb still in charge of the Mojang company, and only Notch being gone. Microsoft is basically the "parent company" of Mojang, which could be considered a "child company". Mojang makes its own decisions, and Microsoft merely checks in to see how things are going. Nobody at Microsoft is working on the Minecraft updates (except for the Hololens development and possibly the Windows 10 Edition.) If Microsoft was doing the updates for Minecraft, Mojang wouldn't exist.
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