So I recently got creative on a survival server (Drnservers.com), and I got mad and went and griefed a little bit. A while ago, The owner contacted me saying
[9:29:54 PM] DRNSERVERS: slider?
[9:30:08 PM] Michael: ?
[9:30:25 PM] DRNSERVERS: Do you have time to talk for a second.
[9:30:56 PM] Michael: Sure
[9:31:03 PM] DRNSERVERS: well first off
[9:31:05 PM] DRNSERVERS: I heard you griefed.
[9:31:10 PM] Michael: Pffft
[9:31:21 PM] DRNSERVERS: Well, is there a reason?
[9:31:24 PM] DRNSERVERS: Were you angry?
[9:31:28 PM] Michael: Yep
[9:31:32 PM] DRNSERVERS: Why is this?
[9:31:40 PM] Michael: Cause
[9:31:54 PM] DRNSERVERS: Cause what?
[9:32:52 PM] DRNSERVERS: Michael?
[9:32:53 PM] Michael: Cause i was bored.
[9:32:55 PM] DRNSERVERS: Ok
[9:33:00 PM] DRNSERVERS: well boredom isnt good.
[9:33:01 PM] DRNSERVERS: 2 things
[9:33:05 PM] DRNSERVERS: 1. I can go on mcbans.com
[9:33:09 PM] DRNSERVERS: and have you globally banned
[9:33:13 PM] Michael: From what
[9:33:17 PM] DRNSERVERS: Minecraft
[9:33:19 PM] DRNSERVERS: Servers
[9:33:19 PM] Michael: wtf
[9:33:22 PM] Michael: ..
[9:33:25 PM] DRNSERVERS: about 59,000 of them
[9:33:31 PM] Michael: Why..
[9:33:44 PM] DRNSERVERS: 2. I have logs of your IP so I could have your internet withdrawn for abuse of legal TOS.
LEAVING OUT THE IP INFORMATION HE GIVES ME AT THIS PART.
Then, we go into some things about not ever being pushed toward any ToS (To mention, before this I had no idea he had ToS)
[9:44:47 PM]Terms Of Service
DRNServers Terms Of Service , By playing on any of our game servers or visiting our website you are automatically entitled to agreeing to them.
[9:44:59 PM] DRNSERVERS: its the same when you go on a website
[9:45:05 PM] DRNSERVERS: Your automatically entitled.
[9:45:27 PM] DRNSERVERS: The website is mentioned numerous times in our servers.
Now suddenly, NO ONE can log into his server. They get the error "Took too long to login". I had multiple people try.
[9:59:12 PM] Michael: I need to kno
[9:59:17 PM] Michael: Where you got the TOS legalised
[9:59:31 PM] DRNSERVERS: Santa Barbara Legal Group
[9:59:35 PM] DRNSERVERS: If you live in cali
[9:59:38 PM] DRNSERVERS: or anywhere near SB
[9:59:45 PM] DRNSERVERS: They have a office in Montecito
[10:00:05 PM] DRNSERVERS: But seriously, I have a college course tommorrow so... I cant waste my time with you
[10:00:20 PM] DRNSERVERS: Tell me right here, do you want to pay? Or shall I just escalate this to a Legal Claim?
I googled this Legal group, as well as several friends, and nothing came up but a Legal Group known as Montecito Legal Group (Located in Santa Barbara)
After this I asked repeditly for details of the Legal Group that legalized his ToS. He couldnt provide any, and each time I asked, He said "I'm escalating this to a law suit".
Therefor, this is where i need help. If he cant provide proof of the Law firm are his ToS BS? Or are they bs anyways? Next, I never saw ANYTHING about Terms of service on the server. I did however find a link to them. http://www.drnservers.com/tos Some friends have told me I could counter-sue for Discrimination of ToS. Idk what to do at this point, PLEASE HELP!!
Sounds like a shake-down to me. Unless he provides evidence that these ToS are legally binding, there isn't anything he can do to you. Even if it was legalized, I doubt there is any real legal course of action he could take...
Sounds like a shake-down to me. Unless he provides evidence that these ToS are legally binding, there isn't anything he can do to you. Even if it was legalized, I doubt there is any real legal course of action he could take...
Exactly the point im trying to prove. He WONT provide any details whatsoever about the Law Firm he said legalized the ToS. Yet, I did have creative and builder, and I griefed, which may be considered exploiting server features. HOWEVER. I still COULD have griefed the same things, the same amounts, without creative. Is that still exploiting creative?
Also, I did pay $15, just to get him off my back for a bit. It was through PayPal though, Which I will most likely just do a chargeback tomorrow.
Can he even take any legal action?
I mean, going to court over "He burnt down 'don131517's house..in Minecraft."
Besides, can't he just disable you from accessing his server's stuff (server, forums, etc) from breaking his ToS? I'm pretty sure he can't have it entirely withdrawn.
Sounds like a bunch of B.S to me. Just some server owner trying to scare poor little griefers. xD
Can he even take any legal action?
I mean, going to court over "He burnt down 'don131517's house..in Minecraft."
Besides, can't he just disable you from accessing his server's stuff (server, forums, etc) from breaking his ToS? I'm pretty sure he can't have it entirely withdrawn.
Sounds like a bunch of B.S to me. Just some server owner trying to scare poor little griefers. xD
He's already banned me (I really don't care). But yea he could. The whole deal started by trying to say I broke his ToS. Without the proof of his Law firm legalizing them, He is just looking like a retard.
Yep. Then he tried tracing my IP, and assured me that I lived in Some "Greeley, Colorado". Which as far as i'm concerned, I don't live there. I live about 1000 Miles east. Now he's making me laugh though :tongue.gif: He's said goodnight about 8 times. LOL
Don't do anything more and forget about it. If he comes back, hold the fact that he never provided details and that you can counter-sue against him. He is most likely trolling and trying to get your money, so if you introduce the fact you can sue him for real, he might just **** off.
Numbers 14 and 12 are just stupid things to put in a TOS... and why doesn't he allow people from nigeria to play? is he some sort of racist, you should bring that up. And if he does try to take you to court (which i seriously doubt he could) just imagine what a judge would say when he says "he destroyed something in an online game" in my opinion, i would say dont even worry about it man :tongue.gif:
Number 10 is your answer.
10. You have no association with any "Hacking Groups" and do not have any access to any "Computer Hacking Tools".
You may as well point out that everyone from now on is now banned from there site/servers because they use the internet and own a computer.
Otherwise they have no legal grounds aginst you.
To put it in simple words and simple terms. You never signed anything, you never agreed to anything, you can not be sued for logging and playing a game on a server they host.
You griefed, shame on you. But that doesn't give them the ability to sue you or persue any legal course of action aginst you for it.
Griefing is bad, but nothing illegal about it. This is B.S. no doubt. don't pay him, have him give proof, and if anything tell him you know it isn't real, and try to make him tell the truth
He is just scaring you. It is true that no court will charge you over damaging an e-house.
It must be some random thinking "I can use the law for everything"
dude, unless you signed or aggreed to rules and he has proof of that, he cant sue you. the worse he can do is put you on MCban (wich i really dont like as for it only takes one admin who decides to be a badmin).
dude, unless you signed or aggreed to rules and he has proof of that, he cant sue you. the worse he can do is put you on MCban (wich i really dont like as for it only takes one admin who decides to be a badmin).
Appearently by visiting his website, were automatically agreeing to the ToS.
First of all relax this is just mc. He cant just sue you or put you behind bars for griefing... I think hes exagerating or just messing with you. Dont worry about being sued... Again its mc and u wont get sued. The worst thing that can happen is mcban. Just try reasoning with him that you wont grief anymore or just apoligize. Depending how bad you griefed i dont think it should be that extreme. Plently of times ive been banned from servers cause my mouse spazzed out and a op was hovering over me. Worst comes to worse play at a friends house with their ip on a new account (or theirs if they allow it) I dont really think he will put u in mcban for griefing 1 server that probably wasnt that badly. He can easily just ban you, use a undo command, and be done with you instead of putting you on mcban. Again i think hes playing with you.
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[9:29:54 PM] DRNSERVERS: slider?
[9:30:08 PM] Michael: ?
[9:30:25 PM] DRNSERVERS: Do you have time to talk for a second.
[9:30:56 PM] Michael: Sure
[9:31:03 PM] DRNSERVERS: well first off
[9:31:05 PM] DRNSERVERS: I heard you griefed.
[9:31:10 PM] Michael: Pffft
[9:31:21 PM] DRNSERVERS: Well, is there a reason?
[9:31:24 PM] DRNSERVERS: Were you angry?
[9:31:28 PM] Michael: Yep
[9:31:32 PM] DRNSERVERS: Why is this?
[9:31:40 PM] Michael: Cause
[9:31:54 PM] DRNSERVERS: Cause what?
[9:32:52 PM] DRNSERVERS: Michael?
[9:32:53 PM] Michael: Cause i was bored.
[9:32:55 PM] DRNSERVERS: Ok
[9:33:00 PM] DRNSERVERS: well boredom isnt good.
[9:33:01 PM] DRNSERVERS: 2 things
[9:33:05 PM] DRNSERVERS: 1. I can go on mcbans.com
[9:33:09 PM] DRNSERVERS: and have you globally banned
[9:33:13 PM] Michael: From what
[9:33:17 PM] DRNSERVERS: Minecraft
[9:33:19 PM] DRNSERVERS: Servers
[9:33:19 PM] Michael: wtf
[9:33:22 PM] Michael: ..
[9:33:25 PM] DRNSERVERS: about 59,000 of them
[9:33:31 PM] Michael: Why..
[9:33:44 PM] DRNSERVERS: 2. I have logs of your IP so I could have your internet withdrawn for abuse of legal TOS.
LEAVING OUT THE IP INFORMATION HE GIVES ME AT THIS PART.
Then, we go into some things about not ever being pushed toward any ToS (To mention, before this I had no idea he had ToS)
[9:44:47 PM]Terms Of Service
DRNServers Terms Of Service , By playing on any of our game servers or visiting our website you are automatically entitled to agreeing to them.
[9:44:59 PM] DRNSERVERS: its the same when you go on a website
[9:45:05 PM] DRNSERVERS: Your automatically entitled.
[9:45:27 PM] DRNSERVERS: The website is mentioned numerous times in our servers.
Now suddenly, NO ONE can log into his server. They get the error "Took too long to login". I had multiple people try.
[9:59:12 PM] Michael: I need to kno
[9:59:17 PM] Michael: Where you got the TOS legalised
[9:59:31 PM] DRNSERVERS: Santa Barbara Legal Group
[9:59:35 PM] DRNSERVERS: If you live in cali
[9:59:38 PM] DRNSERVERS: or anywhere near SB
[9:59:45 PM] DRNSERVERS: They have a office in Montecito
[10:00:05 PM] DRNSERVERS: But seriously, I have a college course tommorrow so... I cant waste my time with you
[10:00:20 PM] DRNSERVERS: Tell me right here, do you want to pay? Or shall I just escalate this to a Legal Claim?
I googled this Legal group, as well as several friends, and nothing came up but a Legal Group known as Montecito Legal Group (Located in Santa Barbara)
After this I asked repeditly for details of the Legal Group that legalized his ToS. He couldnt provide any, and each time I asked, He said "I'm escalating this to a law suit".
Therefor, this is where i need help. If he cant provide proof of the Law firm are his ToS BS? Or are they bs anyways? Next, I never saw ANYTHING about Terms of service on the server. I did however find a link to them. http://www.drnservers.com/tos Some friends have told me I could counter-sue for Discrimination of ToS. Idk what to do at this point, PLEASE HELP!!
Sounds like a shake-down to me. Unless he provides evidence that these ToS are legally binding, there isn't anything he can do to you. Even if it was legalized, I doubt there is any real legal course of action he could take...
Exactly the point im trying to prove. He WONT provide any details whatsoever about the Law Firm he said legalized the ToS. Yet, I did have creative and builder, and I griefed, which may be considered exploiting server features. HOWEVER. I still COULD have griefed the same things, the same amounts, without creative. Is that still exploiting creative?
Also, I did pay $15, just to get him off my back for a bit. It was through PayPal though, Which I will most likely just do a chargeback tomorrow.
I mean, going to court over "He burnt down 'don131517's house..in Minecraft."
Besides, can't he just disable you from accessing his server's stuff (server, forums, etc) from breaking his ToS? I'm pretty sure he can't have it entirely withdrawn.
Sounds like a bunch of B.S to me. Just some server owner trying to scare poor little griefers. xD
G T R E S C G H
He's already banned me (I really don't care). But yea he could. The whole deal started by trying to say I broke his ToS. Without the proof of his Law firm legalizing them, He is just looking like a retard.
From the ToS:
"12. You do not live in Nigeria."
So, according from him. He can obtain someone's IP adress, trace it back to Nigeria, and sue them because they looked at his sites ToS?
How in the world does this thing get legalized? He mad.
EDIT:
XDD Also,
"16. You are here solely for the purpose of entertainment and nothing other than that. (Unless authorized by an Owner of DRNServers.com)"
Gosh dangit. Now even I can be sued as well. :biggrin.gif:
We're in the same boat, buddy. Lol.
This guy's a joke. :]
G T R E S C G H
10. You have no association with any "Hacking Groups" and do not have any access to any "Computer Hacking Tools".
You may as well point out that everyone from now on is now banned from there site/servers because they use the internet and own a computer.
Otherwise they have no legal grounds aginst you.
To put it in simple words and simple terms. You never signed anything, you never agreed to anything, you can not be sued for logging and playing a game on a server they host.
You griefed, shame on you. But that doesn't give them the ability to sue you or persue any legal course of action aginst you for it.
It must be some random thinking "I can use the law for everything"
Appearently by visiting his website, were automatically agreeing to the ToS.