Just because you cant afford to buy an minecraft access account does not give you a reason to steal it. It does not give you the right to say that you want it, you will get it and use the software or what ever it is without buying something. Everyone is right, its called "Theft", "stealing" and "illegal" for a reason. Stealing and or Cracking software is vary illegal and can cause one of many things to happen and usually it ends up being jail time if being caught.
Hell, it took me a few weeks to buy Minecraft because I have bills to pay and food to buy for me and my wife. If you really want the game than go outside, rake/shovel or mow someone's yard to get the money. It is not that hard to do and you will find someone who is willing to pay at least $3 or more bucks.
You start pirating games, movies, ect... There wont be any money for them to create new stuff, or expand on there original projects like a big example right here. MINECRAFT!
Think about it...
Sounds like exactly the kind of thing you would hear from a pirate. Keep telling yourself that. It makes you feel better about what your doing and supports my point.
I don't use pirated software or listen to pirated music, so no point for you, sorry.
I think I have a pretty good hold on reality. The only people who say piracy isn't theft are pirates and the victims of said piracy. The fact that some of them are big companies doesn't dilute the crime. Theft is theft.
Also, Piracy still is not theft. You and anyone else can repeat that as often as you want, it doesn't get true. It is copying stuff. That still may be morally bad, but for the discussions sake you have to differentiate that.
Straw man argument...
A paraphrased statement has nothing to do with the original intent- only the manner in which it was said.
Oh, that. By implying you compared piracy and slavery I simply wanted to insult you like you did by calling most people "slackers" and "pudding-brains". Sorry I didn't make that clear enough for you. At the same time it was meant to express that it's copywright law that resembles slavery, not Piracy.
I think I have a pretty good hold on reality. The only people who say piracy isn't theft are pirates and the victims of said piracy. The fact that some of them are big companies doesn't dilute the crime. Theft is theft.
If you don't get copyright law in it's present form dilutes your individual rights and does not reward the people who do the actual work, then no, you don't.
I call it piracy cuz that's what it is. You can call beating the dog "discipline" if you like.
...But it's still beating the dog.
That comparison is so wrong on so many Levels I refuse to answer to it.
The "lets stand up to the big companies and not pay for the software they develop" is pretty weak.
You don't want to get it do you ? "If it's worth playing it's worth buying" still applies. Also, you might want to notice the whole thread is about "I give a copy to some friends so they start playing it with me"-Piracy-Level, not Mega-Upload.
I not going to do the line-by-line thing. It's getting old already.
Never cast pearls before swine. -Note: I'm not calling you swine. It means don't waste your breath on people who can't understand.
Just gonna hit 2 of your points.
Notch's quote about piracy is little more than a "there's nothing I can do about it except hope it all works out" resignation. It's hardly support for the concept.
If it's really okie dokie like you say it is- lets all do it!
...See how that works out for you.
No more games, movies, music or books. Piracy only "works" so long as only a limited few actually do it.
The whole point is, if you try to justify anything while even mentioning stealing or pirating you are a bad person... plane and simple.
It comes down to experience again. If you pirate enough, the company looses enough money. Company looses money, the company shuts down... No more company, no more product being released or updated... No more updates, ect... People not happy and everything goes to hell.
It happens all the time in different countries...
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I'm here, I have no life and I play Minecraft... What else do you wanna know?
sounds like a bunch of mindless sheep bleating out the chorus of big wigs and corporations. Piracy, bad? never. Piracy = technological improvements and improved security measures, we are the competition for a far too controlled environment, we are the perfect storm, we are the Kaos Theory of your system. It takes the average person some motive to post on this subject, it takes a low person to blindly call people a thief. It takes a pirate to tell you you are all wrong.
Wrong; all of this accusation that we are stealing from others, all of this judgement, yet most of you people have a religion, you can speak of your neighbors and peers as if you are the one whom deigns freedom of heaven, yet you belittle the man whom enlightened themselves with the knowledge of others, an aptitude that should be merited with grateful words.
I scoff at those whom think I am detrimental to a sole persons, what hogwash ideal would pin me to such a broad definition?
Steal: verb intra
1: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice.
transi
2: to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully.
you see, you are all using the wrong word, since when have I removed anything from anyone's possession? never. never have, never will and there is nothing further you could say to prove me wrong, it is just that simple, morals, my morals tell me I am right, and you are wrong. This could make me just as susceptible too. You see everyone is delegating their morals unto another human being, in my belief, this is the utmost wrong one can do to another, force your opinions down the throat of your converse antagonist, and for most, this is beyond a law, this is divine wisdom, yet you are all breaking your own morale code. Oh but the thief.
about that thief, such a tricky little subject.
To discuss this matter you would have to stem father back than commodities and currency, we must stem back to material possession, as this is how our world relates to the digital realm.
You see, without a price, without an interest, everything would logically be free for all to bare, in the real world this is impossible, but in a fictitious world none of the possession a person attempts can apply, for I could scribe as just a masterpiece, a mirror image of a prior/current artist or developer, and assume it is truth that I scribe this in all effort and creativity of my own, an original as it stands.
but what is this??? Another masterpiece that is 100% identical of the others masterpiece, yet both are fueled by their own creativity, both originals, both the same, both inhabiting the same space, at the same time, a real conundrum you see.
What of your opinion? what of my opinion? none of this matters, because they are both original works and where one puts forth effort and receives/gains, you would call a thief, but for those whom know the process, the road, the dark and lonely places; the good, the bad, and the gray matter are all that matter, everything else is just a time lapse, a series of events to unfold. Opinions being thrown around like they materialize and manifest into a battle of right versus wrong. And all the meanwhile the thief, the initialization of the war, sits in wait, digesting the information given to him, a great mind needs fuel for inspiration, for creativity, what would one behold if this thief was liberated of his title, and given a pen? A pen that could then flow with the fiery of ten thousand war stories, hundreds of songs, or even better yet, an improved variant that you come to learn and love, but would have never been made possible because of someones financials or morale views, how rude of you people to degrade a persons because they want to enlighten themselves with information, I say to you, yes you, The Judge, the viewer, the reader, I say this, **** you.
piracy = creating a copy for you (illegally) but still
it's a copy you're not taking an actual product
what you are doing is reducing the gains of whatever company you pirated out (if that makes any sense)
so yes it's bad, but it's not an incredibly evil thing to do IMO
companies still make TONS of money, even mojang from the product
@Daddums : Nope, you got it wrong. Actually he says it increases the reach of his product in a way it weighs out the ( potential ) loss.
He didn't say that at all. Here's the quote your referring to to support that statement:
"But what if that person likes that game, talks about it to his or her friends, and then I manage to convince three of them to buy the game? I’d make three actual sales instead of blocking out the potentially missed sale of the original person which never cost me any money in the first case."
Hopeful, yes. Reality?- who knows? The key words here are what if. Hardly the absolute statement your affording him.
Also, you still didn't get it. I never said it was okay for all of us to do that, but why read before replying ....
I never suggested you did say it was ok for all of us to do that. I'm not the one twisting words here.
The point was that if the "piracy is ok" argument held any water- it wouldn't depend on a limited number of people doing it to work out. I also asked you who the freeloaders should be- given the fact that we all can't do it or it all falls apart.
And for god's sake, stop using these insulting comparisons.
It wasn't a comparison. I actually went to pains to point that out.
It is certainly true that I have a low opinion about freeloading pirates- that's true enough and I'm entitled to that. I will continue to slice and dice anyone who supports it. By that same token, you're free to do the same to me. God bless America! :wink.gif:
I have similar feelings about griefers and people who cut in line.
Quotes are all screwed up, so I'll use color to separate Lionsmane79 and myself.
He didn't say that at all. Here's the quote your referring to to support that statement:
"But what if that person likes that game, talks about it to his or her friends, and then I manage to convince three of them to buy the game? I’d make three actual sales instead of blocking out the potentially missed sale of the original person which never cost me any money in the first case."
Hopeful, yes. Reality?- who knows? The key words here are what if. Hardly the absolute statement your affording him.
Also, you still didn't get it. I never said it was okay for all of us to do that, but why read before replying ....
I never suggested you did say it was ok for all of us to do that. I'm not the one twisting words here.
The point was that if the "piracy is ok" argument held any water- it wouldn't depend on a limited number of people doing it to work out. I also asked you who the freeloaders should be- given the fact that we all can't do it or it all falls apart.
And for god's sake, stop using these insulting comparisons.
It wasn't a comparison. I actually went to pains to point that out.
It is certainly true that I have a low opinion about freeloading pirates- that's true enough and I'm entitled to that. I will continue to slice and dice anyone who supports it. By that same token, you're free to do the same to me. God bless America! :wink.gif:
I have similar feelings about griefers and people who cut in line.
it is religious toting like this that sullies the very nature of your argument, you are judging people, judgement of people is for your god, whom you just praised, whom just damned you to hell. Have fun subjecting your intellectual properties to copyright hell.
I sympathise for the people who can't afford/buy minecraft.
But people who break the law to obtain a game through piracy, which they don't even need, are bad. Just because you can't afford/buy a game doesnt mean you should use piracy and break the law to obtain it.
Piracy lowers the value of a game and damages profits, sure companies are still making money but its like robbing a pack of lollies and justifying that the shop is still earning plenty of money from other sales.
I sympathise for the people who can't afford/buy minecraft.
But people who break the law to obtain a game through piracy, which they don't even need, are bad. Just because you can't afford/buy a game doesnt mean you should use piracy and break the law to obtain it.
Piracy lowers the value of a game and damages profits, sure companies are still making money but its like robbing a pack of lollies and justifying that the shop is still earning plenty of money from other sales.
Its still wrong.
how is it like robbing a pack of lollies? how does the pirate community justify anything? do they have a twitter? do you keep in constant contact with everyone?
how does piracy lower the value of a game? the price of Minecraft is still the same, last i checked the market still charges $60 US for console games, the value or the commodity of these games stays the same.
see the problem with your ideal that piracy is like robbing a store, is that these pirates, are never at the store, never hold a gun to someones face, never remove an object from a persons possession, and rarely try to justify the actions, because there is no need to, they painstakingly tasked their computer to accomplish a process of reading a program, and then taking a snapshot for further review.
In fact most pirate domain communities preach that if you try it, and you like it, then you buy it. It is a very very very very very very very very market oriented community.
You see, when you are a pirate, and you are not on the forefront of piracy, you wait in line, you have to filter out all of the sluff people post for grabs, wait for months for a game or movie to be coded, released and seeded. this sounds like a small process in comparison to the movie producers or game developers, but this process slows the inevitable, and gives a chance for your product to receive full attention to the market, before being copied and taken away for the world to digest. The only difference I see is a useless thing we call money.
funny to think, that I can log on a friends computer anytime i want, play a game he owns, and have it legally be okay, but when I borrow my friends game, and put it on my own machine all of a sudden it is wrong.(think about this)
it is religious toting like this that sullies the very nature of your argument, you are judging people, judgement of people is for your god, whom you just praised, whom just damned you to hell. Have fun subjecting your intellectual properties to copyright hell.
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Wow.. Just... Wow.
You guys do keep me in chuckle heaven.
God bless America was a familiar phrase that brings to mind our collective freedom to speak our minds. -Sheesh!
In case is matters (it doesn't actually), I'm agnostic.
Your half right however- I DO judge.
..Just like you.
Change of pace ahead: It's been a hoot. I'm going to see a movie with my wife now. Have fun guys. Lord knows I have. The best targets are the ones who shoot themselves
People that buy the cracked game are bad people, but they redeem themselves if they buy the game.
I doubt you'd use this argument with movie/music piracy, would you? It's the same concept, but people give less attention to cracked Minecraft players because Mojang doesn't take into consideration lost profits as much as other companies.
But if you don't think it's worth it to use twenty dollars on a game, then what purpose did you have getting the cracked version? I just watched videos of LPers and such to get to know if I enjoyed the game . . .
Also getting a debit card with $20 isn't all that incredibly hard and you could always put your own money on it . . .
So, I am saving up for a pre-paid card(Im gonna get a $30 one cuz the gME IS $26.95, JUST CHECKED), and I'm currently at $20. My mom said she would pay me to do chore, so after maybe 2 weeks at most, i'll have the money to buy minecraft.
So, If I pirate it now, and pay in a couple weeks, am I a "bad" person because I pirated it?
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note: Then I mention a group of people in my posts, i mean the majority of information i have seen from that group, and my statement may not be accurate for every individual in that group.
God bless America was a familiar phrase that brings to mind our collective freedom to speak our minds. -Sheesh!
In case it matters (it doesn't actually), I'm agnostic.
Your half right however- I DO judge.
..Just like you.
Change of pace ahead: It's been a hoot. I'm going to see a movie with my wife now. Have fun guys. Lord knows I have. The best targets are the ones who shoot themselves
you are right God Bless America WAS a familiar phrase, accept the world decided there was more than one god to refer to so whom do you speak of?
good to know blasphemers still exist, you use god as a reference, yet you are agnostic, huh sounds a bit disrespectful to the people whom pay homage. In fact did you not solemnly swear to god that you are in unity with your wife? Should we not take that seriously because its just a familiar phrase?
So you can morally deny religion, use gods name in vein and belittle and judge others, take a serious religious vow to someone and not feel obligated to refer to the god you swore to, yet one can not copy a program for bettering themselves in your morale code. I find this kind of Hippocratic notion the reason we are all debating the morale ethics of piracy.
hope your full of chuckles when your vows break and your morals do you no good. The worst anyone can see from downloading a program is a letter in the mail, and some good old fashioned authority driven judgement, ya know, like the prohibition days?
moonshiners and such must be evil using your judgement.
Well, you're not the only one to have a good laugh, Daddums.
God bless America was a familiar phrase that brings to mind our collective freedom to speak our minds.
Considering SOPA and PIPA, mentioning America and freedom of speech in one sentence in a thread about pirating is gallows humor at it's best :laugh.gif:
That's nearly Monthy Python-style.
Cracked....or pirated MC, dude if you cant afford to buy a $20.00 game play the classic version till you can! It's cool that you're working towards buying a decent computer, why not save up for the legit game? Its well worth it...first of all you wouldn't be stealing, second you get all the updates for FREE! Don't know about you, but I don't know many games that offer that. The PC gamer demo is what got me started, I restarted it 3 times before I bought the game. Do yourself a favor, don't steal...your conscience will thank you. You seem like a nice kid so im sure you have one. And remember, use the things you want as a motivator to push you in life and you will likely be more successful in everything.
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I have no problem with piracy, considering Notch's standpoint on the matter.
I pirated the game. So did my boyfriend & a handful of friends. We played together (Online on a cracked server) for quite a while until we decided we liked the game. Classic is not an accurate representation of how the game actually is, and thus I do not consider classic a "demo".
That said, we later bought the game and bought 12 extra friends with us. Sometimes, pirating is profitable for the company.
Edit: Piracy isn't stealing, it's merely copying. Stealing implies you're taking something and it will be gone. Piracy doesn't remove the original.
Hell, it took me a few weeks to buy Minecraft because I have bills to pay and food to buy for me and my wife. If you really want the game than go outside, rake/shovel or mow someone's yard to get the money. It is not that hard to do and you will find someone who is willing to pay at least $3 or more bucks.
You start pirating games, movies, ect... There wont be any money for them to create new stuff, or expand on there original projects like a big example right here. MINECRAFT!
Think about it...
I don't use pirated software or listen to pirated music, so no point for you, sorry.
I start to feel bad for you, you're wrong again : http://notch.tumblr.com/post/1121596044/how-piracy-works
Also, Piracy still is not theft. You and anyone else can repeat that as often as you want, it doesn't get true. It is copying stuff. That still may be morally bad, but for the discussions sake you have to differentiate that.
Oh, that. By implying you compared piracy and slavery I simply wanted to insult you like you did by calling most people "slackers" and "pudding-brains". Sorry I didn't make that clear enough for you. At the same time it was meant to express that it's copywright law that resembles slavery, not Piracy.
If you don't get copyright law in it's present form dilutes your individual rights and does not reward the people who do the actual work, then no, you don't.
That comparison is so wrong on so many Levels I refuse to answer to it.
You don't want to get it do you ? "If it's worth playing it's worth buying" still applies. Also, you might want to notice the whole thread is about "I give a copy to some friends so they start playing it with me"-Piracy-Level, not Mega-Upload.
I not going to do the line-by-line thing. It's getting old already.
Never cast pearls before swine. -Note: I'm not calling you swine. It means don't waste your breath on people who can't understand.
Just gonna hit 2 of your points.
Notch's quote about piracy is little more than a "there's nothing I can do about it except hope it all works out" resignation. It's hardly support for the concept.
If it's really okie dokie like you say it is- lets all do it!
...See how that works out for you.
No more games, movies, music or books. Piracy only "works" so long as only a limited few actually do it.
Who should that lucky few be? You?
It comes down to experience again. If you pirate enough, the company looses enough money. Company looses money, the company shuts down... No more company, no more product being released or updated... No more updates, ect... People not happy and everything goes to hell.
It happens all the time in different countries...
Also, you still didn't get it. I never said it was okay for all of us to do that, but why read before replying ....
And for god's sake, stop using these insulting comparisons.
Wrong; all of this accusation that we are stealing from others, all of this judgement, yet most of you people have a religion, you can speak of your neighbors and peers as if you are the one whom deigns freedom of heaven, yet you belittle the man whom enlightened themselves with the knowledge of others, an aptitude that should be merited with grateful words.
I scoff at those whom think I am detrimental to a sole persons, what hogwash ideal would pin me to such a broad definition?
Steal: verb
intra
1: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice.
transi
2: to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully.
you see, you are all using the wrong word, since when have I removed anything from anyone's possession? never. never have, never will and there is nothing further you could say to prove me wrong, it is just that simple, morals, my morals tell me I am right, and you are wrong. This could make me just as susceptible too. You see everyone is delegating their morals unto another human being, in my belief, this is the utmost wrong one can do to another, force your opinions down the throat of your converse antagonist, and for most, this is beyond a law, this is divine wisdom, yet you are all breaking your own morale code. Oh but the thief.
about that thief, such a tricky little subject.
To discuss this matter you would have to stem father back than commodities and currency, we must stem back to material possession, as this is how our world relates to the digital realm.
You see, without a price, without an interest, everything would logically be free for all to bare, in the real world this is impossible, but in a fictitious world none of the possession a person attempts can apply, for I could scribe as just a masterpiece, a mirror image of a prior/current artist or developer, and assume it is truth that I scribe this in all effort and creativity of my own, an original as it stands.
but what is this??? Another masterpiece that is 100% identical of the others masterpiece, yet both are fueled by their own creativity, both originals, both the same, both inhabiting the same space, at the same time, a real conundrum you see.
What of your opinion? what of my opinion? none of this matters, because they are both original works and where one puts forth effort and receives/gains, you would call a thief, but for those whom know the process, the road, the dark and lonely places; the good, the bad, and the gray matter are all that matter, everything else is just a time lapse, a series of events to unfold. Opinions being thrown around like they materialize and manifest into a battle of right versus wrong. And all the meanwhile the thief, the initialization of the war, sits in wait, digesting the information given to him, a great mind needs fuel for inspiration, for creativity, what would one behold if this thief was liberated of his title, and given a pen? A pen that could then flow with the fiery of ten thousand war stories, hundreds of songs, or even better yet, an improved variant that you come to learn and love, but would have never been made possible because of someones financials or morale views, how rude of you people to degrade a persons because they want to enlighten themselves with information, I say to you, yes you, The Judge, the viewer, the reader, I say this, **** you.
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piracy = creating a copy for you (illegally) but still
it's a copy you're not taking an actual product
what you are doing is reducing the gains of whatever company you pirated out (if that makes any sense)
so yes it's bad, but it's not an incredibly evil thing to do IMO
companies still make TONS of money, even mojang from the product
mind you I have minecraft legally
He didn't say that at all. Here's the quote your referring to to support that statement:
"But what if that person likes that game, talks about it to his or her friends, and then I manage to convince three of them to buy the game? I’d make three actual sales instead of blocking out the potentially missed sale of the original person which never cost me any money in the first case."
Hopeful, yes. Reality?- who knows? The key words here are what if. Hardly the absolute statement your affording him.
Also, you still didn't get it. I never said it was okay for all of us to do that, but why read before replying ....
I never suggested you did say it was ok for all of us to do that. I'm not the one twisting words here.
The point was that if the "piracy is ok" argument held any water- it wouldn't depend on a limited number of people doing it to work out. I also asked you who the freeloaders should be- given the fact that we all can't do it or it all falls apart.
And for god's sake, stop using these insulting comparisons.
It wasn't a comparison. I actually went to pains to point that out.
It is certainly true that I have a low opinion about freeloading pirates- that's true enough and I'm entitled to that. I will continue to slice and dice anyone who supports it. By that same token, you're free to do the same to me. God bless America! :wink.gif:
I have similar feelings about griefers and people who cut in line.
it is religious toting like this that sullies the very nature of your argument, you are judging people, judgement of people is for your god, whom you just praised, whom just damned you to hell. Have fun subjecting your intellectual properties to copyright hell.
But people who break the law to obtain a game through piracy, which they don't even need, are bad. Just because you can't afford/buy a game doesnt mean you should use piracy and break the law to obtain it.
Piracy lowers the value of a game and damages profits, sure companies are still making money but its like robbing a pack of lollies and justifying that the shop is still earning plenty of money from other sales.
Its still wrong.
how is it like robbing a pack of lollies? how does the pirate community justify anything? do they have a twitter? do you keep in constant contact with everyone?
how does piracy lower the value of a game? the price of Minecraft is still the same, last i checked the market still charges $60 US for console games, the value or the commodity of these games stays the same.
see the problem with your ideal that piracy is like robbing a store, is that these pirates, are never at the store, never hold a gun to someones face, never remove an object from a persons possession, and rarely try to justify the actions, because there is no need to, they painstakingly tasked their computer to accomplish a process of reading a program, and then taking a snapshot for further review.
In fact most pirate domain communities preach that if you try it, and you like it, then you buy it. It is a very very very very very very very very market oriented community.
You see, when you are a pirate, and you are not on the forefront of piracy, you wait in line, you have to filter out all of the sluff people post for grabs, wait for months for a game or movie to be coded, released and seeded. this sounds like a small process in comparison to the movie producers or game developers, but this process slows the inevitable, and gives a chance for your product to receive full attention to the market, before being copied and taken away for the world to digest. The only difference I see is a useless thing we call money.
funny to think, that I can log on a friends computer anytime i want, play a game he owns, and have it legally be okay, but when I borrow my friends game, and put it on my own machine all of a sudden it is wrong.(think about this)
Why does "Team America : World Police" come to my mind.
P.S:
Oh. You didn't. Now look who's twisting sense.
???
Wow.. Just... Wow.
You guys do keep me in chuckle heaven.
God bless America was a familiar phrase that brings to mind our collective freedom to speak our minds. -Sheesh!
In case is matters (it doesn't actually), I'm agnostic.
Your half right however- I DO judge.
..Just like you.
Change of pace ahead: It's been a hoot. I'm going to see a movie with my wife now. Have fun guys. Lord knows I have. The best targets are the ones who shoot themselves
I doubt you'd use this argument with movie/music piracy, would you? It's the same concept, but people give less attention to cracked Minecraft players because Mojang doesn't take into consideration lost profits as much as other companies.
But if you don't think it's worth it to use twenty dollars on a game, then what purpose did you have getting the cracked version? I just watched videos of LPers and such to get to know if I enjoyed the game . . .
Also getting a debit card with $20 isn't all that incredibly hard and you could always put your own money on it . . .
So, If I pirate it now, and pay in a couple weeks, am I a "bad" person because I pirated it?
you are right God Bless America WAS a familiar phrase, accept the world decided there was more than one god to refer to so whom do you speak of?
good to know blasphemers still exist, you use god as a reference, yet you are agnostic, huh sounds a bit disrespectful to the people whom pay homage. In fact did you not solemnly swear to god that you are in unity with your wife? Should we not take that seriously because its just a familiar phrase?
So you can morally deny religion, use gods name in vein and belittle and judge others, take a serious religious vow to someone and not feel obligated to refer to the god you swore to, yet one can not copy a program for bettering themselves in your morale code. I find this kind of Hippocratic notion the reason we are all debating the morale ethics of piracy.
hope your full of chuckles when your vows break and your morals do you no good. The worst anyone can see from downloading a program is a letter in the mail, and some good old fashioned authority driven judgement, ya know, like the prohibition days?
moonshiners and such must be evil using your judgement.
Considering SOPA and PIPA, mentioning America and freedom of speech in one sentence in a thread about pirating is gallows humor at it's best :laugh.gif:
That's nearly Monthy Python-style.
I pirated the game. So did my boyfriend & a handful of friends. We played together (Online on a cracked server) for quite a while until we decided we liked the game. Classic is not an accurate representation of how the game actually is, and thus I do not consider classic a "demo".
That said, we later bought the game and bought 12 extra friends with us. Sometimes, pirating is profitable for the company.
Edit: Piracy isn't stealing, it's merely copying. Stealing implies you're taking something and it will be gone. Piracy doesn't remove the original.