For example, 1.9's prerelease. With potionmaking, he ripped off PotionCraft in some ways. Notch even made a manchild of himself when the creator of PotionCraft sent him an email. (Link: http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/123677995264245760 )
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So just because some kid beat him to it, Notch isn't allowed to add new official content to the game? lol
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All I see is some kid throwing a pissy fit in an e-mail in attempt to gain (more) internet fame.
Notch can add what he wants, when he wants. In a game like this, its hard to be original. Next thing you know, he'll be adding airships and the mod maker of that will be up in arms. What about planes, or god forbid, alternate weapons? Who knows, maybe next you'll see him adding new textures and the texture pack makers will be up in arms over that.
Sigh.
I don't understand people. They come up with an idea and think they own it. No idea under the sun is new. Someone, somewhere, has thought of it and put it to use. It isn't stealing when you take a preexisting idea and run with it. I don't think the Grimm brothers are going to rise up from the grave and type up a poorly written rage-mail about how Notch is now using dragons, and clearly they thought of them first.
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You for real? Since when did developers need to start asking modders for permission to touch their own game? Let alone give credit?
Given the vast difference between them it's absurd to expect any kind of acknowledgement let alone compensation. Most things Mojang implements that modders have previously done a version of are only vaguely the same category of idea. Notch is nice enough to allow, and even encourage modding, plenty of other companies would crush/sue anyone fiddling with their game and distributing revised parts of it.
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Why aren't you giving credit to the person who invented forums?
They're called "bulletin boards" and have been in action since before 99% of people know what a computer network was, let alone the internet. :tongue.gif:
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They're called "bulletin boards" and have been in action since before 99% of people know what a computer network was, let alone the internet. :tongue.gif:
Let's sue this guy cause he didn't give credit to the guy who first used bulletin boards!
For example, 1.9's prerelease. With potionmaking, he ripped off PotionCraft in some ways. Notch even made a manchild of himself when the creator of PotionCraft sent him an email. (Link: http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/123677995264245760 )
Hyper, scroll up. Somewhere up there I posted something about them both looking bad, since Notch was blatantly entitling the E-mailer a loser.
Loser isn't a term for younger people to use. Adults use the term as well, especially when somebody acts or does things like the guy who sent the email. Also, Notch did block out the guy's email so he wouldn't get a shitstorm of responses from us fans.
For example, 1.9's prerelease. With potionmaking, he ripped off PotionCraft in some ways. Notch even made a manchild of himself when the creator of PotionCraft sent him an email. (Link: http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/123677995264245760 )
-100 faith in Minecraft.
Looking at the PotionCraft thread, the creator had nothing to do with the email. PotionCraft is nothing like Minecraft potions anyways... The guy was just raging and served as a perfect example of a bad email.
The entire premise of the OP assumes that Notch and Jeb haven't been so completely overwhelmed by coding actual Minecraft content that they are freely pursuing, downloading and testing mods with the intent of "stealing" the ideas. I think they have enough on their plates as it is.
For example, 1.9's prerelease. With potionmaking, he ripped off PotionCraft in some ways. Notch even made a manchild of himself when the creator of PotionCraft sent him an email. (Link: http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/123677995264245760 )
-100 faith in Minecraft.
after checking all of the complaints in that letter the brewing stand is not in potions mod
better than wolves cauldron is way different in appearence then the vanilla cauldron
the babyanimals on please that is just funny all notch did was lower the size of the body of the animals and maybe the head little havent checked they are not the babyanimals mods moddles moddifyed
you fail the letter writer fails and notch did origional work
(and his scripting is origional {well maybe the baby animal stuff mostly a direct posy and past of his normal anial script})
First off in order to make a mod for minecraft currently the developers have to decompile the code to build the mod. This is against around 99% of the EULA's in the world. I don't know what notch and jeb's stance is on that, but they obfuscated the code for a reason. Secondly if you want a custom block to spawn in the world you have to hook into the world generator (I think, or is it renderer) and there is another violation of 99% of the EULA's in the world. You cannot reverse engineer or modify the game code.
This is a risk that all mod developers have to take when building mods for the game. The game is not officially out, nor does it have a official mod system.
I also would like to point out that bigger companies like Blizzard are known for taking addons and putting them into WoW (i.e. taking the various closet addons and put them out of business by making a equipment swapper apart of basic WoW.
Always a risk is doing this stuff, because if your project is good enough, it is likely to get stolen under the EULA shield and used without paying the developer any kind of royalty for the idea.
There is no full proof that they even knew about the mod. If the mod didn't have COPYRIGHT on it and such then the modder couldn't do a damn thing about it anyways.
If notch did know and all that then he SHOULD give credit.
For example, 1.9's prerelease. With potionmaking, he ripped off PotionCraft in some ways. Notch even made a manchild of himself when the creator of PotionCraft sent him an email. (Link: http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/123677995264245760 )
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Big deal.
It's not like they signed some legal document barring Notch from taking creative license with their mods. If it wasn't for the game, the mod wouldn't exist anyway.
Saying that Notch stole from the mods by re-integrating their ideas into his game is idiotic. It's like saying that the modders stole from Minecraft by adding ANY mod that involves mining, animals, terrain generation, the inventory system, etc, etc.
I would normally take something like that as solid evidence, but face it, everyone knows notch got the idea of pistons from the pistons mod, as he copied it almost exactly, but everytime he talked about how they where adding pistons, he treated it like it has their own original idea. Is it really that hard to say, "You guys really seemed to like this, so we made it official!"?
And as brought up, Notch titled the picture of the email "This guy is a loser.." Because Mr. Hot-Shot game designer who promises things like mod support and doesn't get around to it for years and has had many issues he has vented to the internet, isn't himself in some way a loser. Where does he have some moral high-ground to call someone else a loser? Because he has money? It just makes him seem like he thinks he is better then the people who develop fan-based content, and no one likes that when it boils down to it.
Do I think the person should have raged? No. Do I think Notch stole this idea? Not necessarily. Do I think Notch needs to think about what he says more, because being in a position of popularity means more people listen to you? Yes. It's the idea of (don't be mad, this is just an example) if some random person bashed a minority, people would say whatever, if a popular news anchor did, it would bring people up in arms. When people listen, you need to watch what you say.
I would normally take something like that as solid evidence, but face it, everyone knows notch got the idea of pistons from the pistons mod, as he copied it almost exactly, but everytime he talked about how they where adding pistons, he treated it like it has their own original idea. Is it really that hard to say, "You guys really seemed to like this, so we made it official!"?
actually i believe he had permission from the coder to implement his mod into the game
but notch chose to write his own code with the blessing of the modder because he felt pistons needed some tweaking to fit into minecraft
And as brought up, Notch titled the picture of the email "This guy is a loser.." Because Mr. Hot-Shot game designer who promises things like mod support and doesn't get around to it for years and has had many issues he has vented to the internet, isn't himself in some way a loser. Where does he have some moral high-ground to call someone else a loser? Because he has money? It just makes him seem like he thinks he is better then the people who develop fan-based content, and no one likes that when it boils down to it.
a few things
the guy who sent the e-mail IS a loser
did you read that ****ing thing?
how do you think you would cope if every day, all the time, a group of people just consistently told you that your doing a **** job at the thing you love doing, that 1000 people have already done it and could do it better, and that you should probably just give up
Do I think the person should have raged? No. Do I think Notch stole this idea? Not necessarily. Do I think Notch needs to think about what he says more, because being in a position of popularity means more people listen to you? Yes. It's the idea of (don't be mad, this is just an example) if some random person bashed a minority, people would say whatever, if a popular news anchor did, it would bring people up in arms. When people listen, you need to watch what you say.
i'm not saying that notch shouldn't have done it
but we all need to remember
he is a MAN
he is only human
i am honest to god surprised that he has only snapped twice since minecraft took off
honestly if i was him i'd just halt all development on minecraft, and say **** you all, you brought me to his
For example, 1.9's prerelease. With potion making, he ripped off PotionCraft in some ways. Notch even made a manchild of himself when the creator of PotionCraft sent him an email. (Link: http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/123677995264245760 )
-100 faith in Minecraft.
To point out an Ad hom., with an Ad hom., doesn't make you anymore at moral high ground than it did Notch in the first place. Aside from the email being wrong in it's original point, the majority of the body is a giant red herring.
Notch said himself that he won't add mod content. He did once, for the shader, that was the only time. Pistons was Jeb's idea and he pulled it off himself.
And old saying goes, 'There's no such thing as a new idea.'. That's very applicable. They are potions, most games that are sandboxes have potion elements. Beyond that, most games have potion elements. Saying that a mod based on potions has any OC compared to a game developed that has potion elements, doesn't have much weight.
So your superhero Swedish game developer is actually human. That's the only valid point left.
Note: Cauldrons-as an idea-and in relation to potion maker are older than Better Than Wolves.
So just because some kid beat him to it, Notch isn't allowed to add new official content to the game? lol
May the force be without you.
Notch can add what he wants, when he wants. In a game like this, its hard to be original. Next thing you know, he'll be adding airships and the mod maker of that will be up in arms. What about planes, or god forbid, alternate weapons? Who knows, maybe next you'll see him adding new textures and the texture pack makers will be up in arms over that.
Sigh.
I don't understand people. They come up with an idea and think they own it. No idea under the sun is new. Someone, somewhere, has thought of it and put it to use. It isn't stealing when you take a preexisting idea and run with it. I don't think the Grimm brothers are going to rise up from the grave and type up a poorly written rage-mail about how Notch is now using dragons, and clearly they thought of them first.
Mojang kind of failed at holding up their end of that "agreement" in making a modding API.
Lacking said API, no one has signed any "agreement" thus those are just words.
Given the vast difference between them it's absurd to expect any kind of acknowledgement let alone compensation. Most things Mojang implements that modders have previously done a version of are only vaguely the same category of idea. Notch is nice enough to allow, and even encourage modding, plenty of other companies would crush/sue anyone fiddling with their game and distributing revised parts of it.
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Why aren't you giving credit to the person who invented forums?
They're called "bulletin boards" and have been in action since before 99% of people know what a computer network was, let alone the internet. :tongue.gif:
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Let's sue this guy cause he didn't give credit to the guy who first used bulletin boards!
Simpsons did it! Simpsons did it!
Loser isn't a term for younger people to use. Adults use the term as well, especially when somebody acts or does things like the guy who sent the email. Also, Notch did block out the guy's email so he wouldn't get a shitstorm of responses from us fans.
Looking at the PotionCraft thread, the creator had nothing to do with the email. PotionCraft is nothing like Minecraft potions anyways... The guy was just raging and served as a perfect example of a bad email.
after checking all of the complaints in that letter the brewing stand is not in potions mod
better than wolves cauldron is way different in appearence then the vanilla cauldron
the babyanimals on please that is just funny all notch did was lower the size of the body of the animals and maybe the head little havent checked they are not the babyanimals mods moddles moddifyed
you fail the letter writer fails and notch did origional work
(and his scripting is origional {well maybe the baby animal stuff mostly a direct posy and past of his normal anial script})
Exactly what came to my mind.
This is a risk that all mod developers have to take when building mods for the game. The game is not officially out, nor does it have a official mod system.
I also would like to point out that bigger companies like Blizzard are known for taking addons and putting them into WoW (i.e. taking the various closet addons and put them out of business by making a equipment swapper apart of basic WoW.
Always a risk is doing this stuff, because if your project is good enough, it is likely to get stolen under the EULA shield and used without paying the developer any kind of royalty for the idea.
If notch did know and all that then he SHOULD give credit.
Big deal.
It's not like they signed some legal document barring Notch from taking creative license with their mods. If it wasn't for the game, the mod wouldn't exist anyway.
Saying that Notch stole from the mods by re-integrating their ideas into his game is idiotic. It's like saying that the modders stole from Minecraft by adding ANY mod that involves mining, animals, terrain generation, the inventory system, etc, etc.
I would normally take something like that as solid evidence, but face it, everyone knows notch got the idea of pistons from the pistons mod, as he copied it almost exactly, but everytime he talked about how they where adding pistons, he treated it like it has their own original idea. Is it really that hard to say, "You guys really seemed to like this, so we made it official!"?
And as brought up, Notch titled the picture of the email "This guy is a loser.." Because Mr. Hot-Shot game designer who promises things like mod support and doesn't get around to it for years and has had many issues he has vented to the internet, isn't himself in some way a loser. Where does he have some moral high-ground to call someone else a loser? Because he has money? It just makes him seem like he thinks he is better then the people who develop fan-based content, and no one likes that when it boils down to it.
Do I think the person should have raged? No. Do I think Notch stole this idea? Not necessarily. Do I think Notch needs to think about what he says more, because being in a position of popularity means more people listen to you? Yes. It's the idea of (don't be mad, this is just an example) if some random person bashed a minority, people would say whatever, if a popular news anchor did, it would bring people up in arms. When people listen, you need to watch what you say.
i'm not saying that notch shouldn't have done it
but we all need to remember
he is a MAN
he is only human
i am honest to god surprised that he has only snapped twice since minecraft took off
honestly if i was him i'd just halt all development on minecraft, and say **** you all, you brought me to his
To point out an Ad hom., with an Ad hom., doesn't make you anymore at moral high ground than it did Notch in the first place. Aside from the email being wrong in it's original point, the majority of the body is a giant red herring.
Notch said himself that he won't add mod content. He did once, for the shader, that was the only time. Pistons was Jeb's idea and he pulled it off himself.
And old saying goes, 'There's no such thing as a new idea.'. That's very applicable. They are potions, most games that are sandboxes have potion elements. Beyond that, most games have potion elements. Saying that a mod based on potions has any OC compared to a game developed that has potion elements, doesn't have much weight.
So your superhero Swedish game developer is actually human. That's the only valid point left.
Note: Cauldrons-as an idea-and in relation to potion maker are older than Better Than Wolves.
Mod support isn't that easy.That also has nothing to do with what you're talking about, thanks for the red herring.