Does anyone ever remember the old days of Minecraft when Notch had a different job? I seem to remember at least about 400% more updates coming out, compared to today. Now it is his full time job and he has about 5 people in the office. Now a lot of modders have added awesome stuff to Minecraft. Notch has spoken out against mods(maybe because they make him look bad), and that makes me angry. Screw notch's vision of Minecraft(mostly because he has not shared what that is yet). This modding stuff is awesome. So either he needs to pay these modders some money and add the stuff or steal the idea and do it himself. This is our game, and I think we are entitled to our vision of it.
That's only because the source code is for Notch's eyes only, if a modder really goes past the gray area the post will probably be deleted. Also doesn't the moving light mod change the core engine?
Do you even know how they make mods? The modders decompile the .jar, they have the source right in front of them.
And yes, you're right, the lighting mod is an engine mod. Still only 2.
Modders are awesome, and have contributed a lot to this game, but they are piggybacking on a system that Notch built from scratch.
Notch meanwhile has been working on the game, despite the apparent lack of content. Keep in mind that he has to balance this with starting a new company and his personal life.
If the game doesn't satisfy you then feel free to mod it, but stop needlessly bothering everyone else about it.
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Here's why I feel bad for the new forum goers that come here. This is what I see when I enter the MC forums:
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I love how every time someone disagrees with a negative comment about MC they cry "oh look NDF has arrived". Go on any board, and when people open their mouth to complain about a game, you will have people defend it, as they are browsing the boards for a reason. Some people actually use message boards to talk about the game they enjoy, not to cry about it every 5 minutes when they don't get their way.
Quoted for Truth. This forum is devolving into a bitchfest.
Here is a nice scenario, to prove a point many people seem to not understand.
There is a person who works in a grocery store. All is well. People come in every so often to buy milk, bread, eggs, pop, and other foods of various tastes and sizes. In this scenario, the worker is notch. Now, here comes the mean-ass manager of the store, telling him he has to work extra hours to keep him happy. He does this because the store next door seems to be taking everything he has and doubling it. Store owner = The 12 year olds complaining about his slow progress. Store next door = modders, who take his source code and simply multiply it. Our worker is now under a lot of stress, because his manager is expecting so much of him, when really he was doing his best before. Now, he has another side in his life. Which, might I say, is probably more important to him. Very special things are happening on this side. And he is still able to work in the store. Special things on other side = events in notch's social life.
So really, the community is getting anger at notch not because progress is slow, but because they expect him to compete with the progress of (I should quote this, but I'm too lazy to) 9-11 other programmers. Just like in the scenario, he just cannot sell as much food as the 9-11 other workers in the other store!
Overall, I'm just trying to say that progress is the same as before, it's just that the community is coming up with their own mods, so it seems as though Notch is doing nothing. That is false and misleading, and for those who think notch is doing no work, well, you should try opening up your own store right beside Wal-Mart. You just can't compete.
Oh goody, another guy hating on Notch because he and his team can't do the work of an entire modding community made up of countless graphic artists and coders.
Clearly Notch should be ashamed that he isn't a demigod, probably has a life, and most likely cannot update Minecraft 24/7. Oh woe is him.
This whole thread beg one obvious question: why don't the modders just do a complete remake? I sounds like these dozen-or-so people have created as much, of not more, functionality in their mods as exist in the stock game. And i bet it would be faster then trying to decomple the JAR file and integrate their changes without breaking anything else.
To the OP dude I am with you 110% on this.
And don't feed the trolls and ignore all the fanboyz who get ButtHurt when the truth is told.
And lets replace the word MOD with content for the purpose of this post
because that is what a mod really is , it adds content to the game.
Notch has made millions of dollars off this game
Minecraft is the petrock of video games when you really look at it there is not awhole lot todo.
but it sold well.
There is no reason he can not hire some more devs to improve this game
I know for a fact some of these modders are unemployed but have shown there ability to create and update Content and have it pretty bug free think about that these guys are making solid content for a game that's in BETA.
All you Notch defenders need to get out of his thong he doesn't know you nor does he care about you
I'm Pretty sure he cares about the millions pouring into his bank account and if he wants to continue with that
he sure as hell better start adding some content to this game, and i mean more then stupid wool dye and one simple box that any one of these content modders could have made in very short time.
I was coming here to start my own thread about this but when I read this I thought I would mod it some my self.
If you walked into Gamestop and bought this game off the shelf for 20 bucks and it had EA's, Blizzards , Bioware, or any other big company label on it and this is all you get you would be pissed off and don't even say you wouldn't
There is no way this would be acceptable by any means by a big name company.
These guys adding content are doing things that Notch said wasn't possible i give you viewtopic.php?f=25&t=106104 mining helm with light and yes it works this is something Notch said was not possible to do.
Upgraded minecarts, better TNT, better graphics, better minerals,More recipes , more tools, better animals and monsters, The list goes on and on i still playing minecraft because of the awesome amount of content these modders have added to the game if it was not for them and i am 100% sure i am not alone on this this game would be dead to me.
So notch get off some of that money get some real devs in there (not ones that are working on their own game but on minecraft) run it like a real company and start improving this game.
A good chunk of your sales have been based off from word of mouth and hype once that Hype dies out It's over
But what do you care you have made your millions and I am sure you will never even see this post let alone this thread or the many more like it.
OP are you with me on starting a facebook page about demanding some major changes soon i bet if we get enough followers he would sure as hell start to listen.
Are Morrowind/Oblivion/Neverwinter/Warcraft3/Starcraft1&2/AgeofEmpires2 bad games because the best work ever seen on those titles are fan-made mods and maps?
Take Morrowind as an example. Graphics are terrible, gameplay is average. But throw some mods on it and it becomes an amazing game. Does that mean we should say Bethesda did a bad and lame job?
Think about it.
Almost every game out there has mods for it, many of which enhance the original game to a state where people can say it's unquestionably better. Why should the fact that someone else has then picked it up and carried it further detract from the original?
DID you really just compare Notch and his game to Bethesda ????
Wow you sir are retarded sorry to resort to 3rd grade insults but that is the best way to describe you at this point after that statement.
Are Morrowind/Oblivion/Neverwinter/Warcraft3/Starcraft1&2/AgeofEmpires2 bad games because the best work ever seen on those titles are fan-made mods and maps?
Take Morrowind as an example. Graphics are terrible, gameplay is average. But throw some mods on it and it becomes an amazing game. Does that mean we should say Bethesda did a bad and lame job?
Think about it.
Almost every game out there has mods for it, many of which enhance the original game to a state where people can say it's unquestionably better. Why should the fact that someone else has then picked it up and carried it further detract from the original?
DID you really just compare Notch and his game to Bethesda ????
Wow you sir are retarded sorry to resort to 3rd grade insults but that is the best way to describe you at this point after that statement.
Most of Bethesda's games have really bad base gameplay. Oblivion was horrible by design and barely had any actual gear and stuff to it. But it was a great game just cause the sheer amount of things to do and places to explore. They kinda depressed me with fallout 3 too, they put too much effort in building the world and not enough in improving the gameplay mechanics. Then again thats why their games are amazing to mod, they do all the building then let you mod the hell outta the gameplay.
Modders are not owning notch, the combined efforts of people who mod a game will always outdo *one* guy
Modders are good for a game, they will keep it alive long after development has stopped
Notch will not speed up his efforts just because a couple of mods add things he hasn't, its not like the guy can endlessly spout creative additions, he's just a man.
But he now has the money to go and get a dev team rolling
and yes modders are awesome and the only reason a good percent of people are still playing right now and its only beta
9-11 > 1 when it comes to who programs faster. Minecraft is a simple, practical game. Ogres with slightly different ability will never equal the necessary difference of MC's current 4 overworld enemies.
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I think many people are blinded by their love for minecraft and are to stuck up Notchs ass to really step back and look at the whole picture.
He has made millions of dollars off this and he still treats it like his side project even less now as updates used to come faster the point of a sandbox game Load it with content and then let the payers (i miss typed players but i like payers as this isnt a free game so ima keep it) deside what todo with it.
You fanboys who dont want tons of content guess what you do not have to use it you can go on playing the game the way you do now.
But for the rest of us we are looking for a real full game and if notch isn't willing to do this he should pass over the reins for the people who made him a millions of dollars and let someone else take over dev call it a good run thank everyone and he gets to do what he does right now treat the game like a last priority.
I see some refund request incoming if things don't pick up I've even started a facebook support forums requesting Notch steps up his game and starts getting some real content into this game not just pumpkins and yellow wool.
He has the money to get some real dev in there and work on this thing and i am sure there are thousands of people willing to work on it so the whole I'm only one person dev this game is ********.
The way i view him right now is a greedy ******* who cares nothing about us and this whole minecraft is my baby **** is just an excuse.
Notch (not like you read this your to busy playing civ 5) i can promise you now if you try to run a real company like this it will fail in the long run you will be a one hit wounder and people will forget all about this.
Its a customer first business world and right now all i see is you running this as Notch first.
I am going to start paying some advertising for my facebook page to get it out there and get some followings
Its up right now but limited on the layout and info i want to provide if anyone wants a link to help me spread it along let me know. Its basicly going to be a demands page as notch doesn't read the forums maybe if we get a big following he might notice.
I already got a few people working up some ideas.
While it's being called beta its not a true beta its just alpha with a beta tag.
When you put a game into open beta like this the game should be pretty much complete and its in beta to test the final product and iron out any bugs and glitches.
There is a post things notch has said or something along those lines if you read what the people wrote and look at his responses you can tell he doesn't mean what he says.
Even you fanboys should get behind this why wouldnt you want more content?
I love people with no concept of game design or programming. Prepare for the whoosh as this goes over their heads while everyone else nods and agrees:
He *could* waste lots of time making numerous mobs. He could spend that time adjusting the numbers to make them respond better or have the right health etc etc, but what is the point.
It's called crowd sourcing and it goes hand in hand with scrum/rapid/agile development. Popular mods will get integrated.. when necessary. Modding is easy when you don't have to generate the source from the ground up!
There's over 20 new mobs due to mods including golems, flying wraiths and mobs that destroy the environment Hmm, this sucks.
There are also companions, and tameable/rideable horses. Hmm, this sucks too.
There's a HUGE mod for furniture, various guns, bows, A STEAM BOAT and a plethora of arrows ranging from arrows that WARP you to where they're shot and arrows that spawn mobs. Wow, really useful/interesting. The forums need a sarcasm tag.
There's mobs that spawn randomly generated towers and dungeons all over your map Nice way to ruin the game.
There are over a hundred new items due to mobs any MANY new minerals including silver marble and emerald. And how is this even useful if they have no special properties, like luminosity or something? I recall reading that thread about that mod.
There is a mod that REWRITES the lighting system giving us MOVING LIGHT as well as occular illusion which is REAL WORLD LIGHTING, NO BLOCKY SHAPES something that Notch said was IMPOSSIBLE. This is a blocky game, go play something ugly like CoD.
There is also a mod that adds BLUR to the game giving it the effect of lack of detail while looking far away WHICH IS AMAZING. Erm, really useful! Where is the download link? (I need sarcasm tags, quick!)
and this is just getting started.
What I'm trying to say is that the Minecraft modding community OWNS Notch and his company in every way, there are only 9-11 amazing modders on the site who usually collaborate and make a majority of the mods and they've done A LOT. Actually, some programmers are just too lazy to decompile the game.
While Notch and his 2 developers have done **** for the game besides making the vanilla console and adding bug after bug.You can't do any better, whiner.
Although that sounds like a really big achieve, creating Minecraft, It's juts a blend of Dwarf Fortress and Garry's mod, the IDEA of Minecraft is not new it's just never been done before so I'll give notch a pair of diamond balls for that. Nice research, whiner. Dwarf fortress is 1) Singleplayer 2) Is not available anymore. Gmod has no random terrain.
People keep saying that Notch is amazing and all BECAUSE he made the game and must be some coding god but when you really look at it he's just some guy who's got balls. Let's see if you can do better.
There's a Minecraft modder who added a REAL boomerang entity that pick up items when it touches them and comes back to you AND it bounces off walls which is awesome, this is part of his dungeon mod which also adds a shield, moving light torches and keys. It's awesome, like a WHOLE new adventure mode where blocks are indestructible, you only have 4 hearts and monsters drop health, something Notch hasn't been able to do since he promised it to us over a year ago.This is a sandbox game, not a stupid linear RPG like WoW.
Do you even know how they make mods? The modders decompile the .jar, they have the source right in front of them.
And yes, you're right, the lighting mod is an engine mod. Still only 2.
Modders are awesome, and have contributed a lot to this game, but they are piggybacking on a system that Notch built from scratch.
Notch meanwhile has been working on the game, despite the apparent lack of content. Keep in mind that he has to balance this with starting a new company and his personal life.
If the game doesn't satisfy you then feel free to mod it, but stop needlessly bothering everyone else about it.
Quoted for Truth. This forum is devolving into a bitchfest.
There is a person who works in a grocery store. All is well. People come in every so often to buy milk, bread, eggs, pop, and other foods of various tastes and sizes. In this scenario, the worker is notch. Now, here comes the mean-ass manager of the store, telling him he has to work extra hours to keep him happy. He does this because the store next door seems to be taking everything he has and doubling it. Store owner = The 12 year olds complaining about his slow progress. Store next door = modders, who take his source code and simply multiply it. Our worker is now under a lot of stress, because his manager is expecting so much of him, when really he was doing his best before. Now, he has another side in his life. Which, might I say, is probably more important to him. Very special things are happening on this side. And he is still able to work in the store. Special things on other side = events in notch's social life.
So really, the community is getting anger at notch not because progress is slow, but because they expect him to compete with the progress of (I should quote this, but I'm too lazy to) 9-11 other programmers. Just like in the scenario, he just cannot sell as much food as the 9-11 other workers in the other store!
Overall, I'm just trying to say that progress is the same as before, it's just that the community is coming up with their own mods, so it seems as though Notch is doing nothing. That is false and misleading, and for those who think notch is doing no work, well, you should try opening up your own store right beside Wal-Mart. You just can't compete.
Clearly Notch should be ashamed that he isn't a demigod, probably has a life, and most likely cannot update Minecraft 24/7. Oh woe is him.
/sarcasm
Notch is obviously the GOD of Minecraft, no one else. Notch is superior, not a modder.
And don't feed the trolls and ignore all the fanboyz who get ButtHurt when the truth is told.
And lets replace the word MOD with content for the purpose of this post
because that is what a mod really is , it adds content to the game.
Notch has made millions of dollars off this game
Minecraft is the petrock of video games when you really look at it there is not awhole lot todo.
but it sold well.
There is no reason he can not hire some more devs to improve this game
I know for a fact some of these modders are unemployed but have shown there ability to create and update Content and have it pretty bug free think about that these guys are making solid content for a game that's in BETA.
All you Notch defenders need to get out of his thong he doesn't know you nor does he care about you
I'm Pretty sure he cares about the millions pouring into his bank account and if he wants to continue with that
he sure as hell better start adding some content to this game, and i mean more then stupid wool dye and one simple box that any one of these content modders could have made in very short time.
I was coming here to start my own thread about this but when I read this I thought I would mod it some my self.
If you walked into Gamestop and bought this game off the shelf for 20 bucks and it had EA's, Blizzards , Bioware, or any other big company label on it and this is all you get you would be pissed off and don't even say you wouldn't
There is no way this would be acceptable by any means by a big name company.
These guys adding content are doing things that Notch said wasn't possible i give you viewtopic.php?f=25&t=106104 mining helm with light and yes it works this is something Notch said was not possible to do.
Upgraded minecarts, better TNT, better graphics, better minerals,More recipes , more tools, better animals and monsters, The list goes on and on i still playing minecraft because of the awesome amount of content these modders have added to the game if it was not for them and i am 100% sure i am not alone on this this game would be dead to me.
So notch get off some of that money get some real devs in there (not ones that are working on their own game but on minecraft) run it like a real company and start improving this game.
A good chunk of your sales have been based off from word of mouth and hype once that Hype dies out It's over
But what do you care you have made your millions and I am sure you will never even see this post let alone this thread or the many more like it.
OP are you with me on starting a facebook page about demanding some major changes soon i bet if we get enough followers he would sure as hell start to listen.
DID you really just compare Notch and his game to Bethesda ????
Wow you sir are retarded sorry to resort to 3rd grade insults but that is the best way to describe you at this point after that statement.
Most of Bethesda's games have really bad base gameplay. Oblivion was horrible by design and barely had any actual gear and stuff to it. But it was a great game just cause the sheer amount of things to do and places to explore. They kinda depressed me with fallout 3 too, they put too much effort in building the world and not enough in improving the gameplay mechanics. Then again thats why their games are amazing to mod, they do all the building then let you mod the hell outta the gameplay.
He's amazing because not only did he make Minecraft, but he inspired thousands of modders to make additions for the community that wants them.
that is why Notch > Modders always
Your missing the point
But he now has the money to go and get a dev team rolling
and yes modders are awesome and the only reason a good percent of people are still playing right now and its only beta
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He has made millions of dollars off this and he still treats it like his side project even less now as updates used to come faster the point of a sandbox game Load it with content and then let the payers (i miss typed players but i like payers as this isnt a free game so ima keep it) deside what todo with it.
You fanboys who dont want tons of content guess what you do not have to use it you can go on playing the game the way you do now.
But for the rest of us we are looking for a real full game and if notch isn't willing to do this he should pass over the reins for the people who made him a millions of dollars and let someone else take over dev call it a good run thank everyone and he gets to do what he does right now treat the game like a last priority.
I see some refund request incoming if things don't pick up I've even started a facebook support forums requesting Notch steps up his game and starts getting some real content into this game not just pumpkins and yellow wool.
He has the money to get some real dev in there and work on this thing and i am sure there are thousands of people willing to work on it so the whole I'm only one person dev this game is ********.
The way i view him right now is a greedy ******* who cares nothing about us and this whole minecraft is my baby **** is just an excuse.
Notch (not like you read this your to busy playing civ 5) i can promise you now if you try to run a real company like this it will fail in the long run you will be a one hit wounder and people will forget all about this.
Its a customer first business world and right now all i see is you running this as Notch first.
I am going to start paying some advertising for my facebook page to get it out there and get some followings
Its up right now but limited on the layout and info i want to provide if anyone wants a link to help me spread it along let me know. Its basicly going to be a demands page as notch doesn't read the forums maybe if we get a big following he might notice.
I already got a few people working up some ideas.
While it's being called beta its not a true beta its just alpha with a beta tag.
When you put a game into open beta like this the game should be pretty much complete and its in beta to test the final product and iron out any bugs and glitches.
There is a post things notch has said or something along those lines if you read what the people wrote and look at his responses you can tell he doesn't mean what he says.
Even you fanboys should get behind this why wouldnt you want more content?
oh well ON
So was there an argument there or just a buncha whining?
He *could* waste lots of time making numerous mobs. He could spend that time adjusting the numbers to make them respond better or have the right health etc etc, but what is the point.
It's called crowd sourcing and it goes hand in hand with scrum/rapid/agile development. Popular mods will get integrated.. when necessary. Modding is easy when you don't have to generate the source from the ground up!
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Which is exactly what he has been doing. So what is your complaint?