So technicalities aside was that yes you would feel bullied or no you wouldn't?
The point I am making is you are leaving creations in public place - beach, park, server etc.
You clearly understand the limitations with the host privilages in minecraft and you understand that people you do not know may come on to your server. But you then feel that they are bullying you by destroying your creations.
We dont live in a perfect society, we all know that.
What frustrates me (and is the reason I decided to continue on this thread) is that people who allow these things to happen to themselves - by building sandcastles in public places or creations on insecure servers - dont recognise that actually, its their responsibility to prevent these things from happening.
Nobody destroys my sandcastles. I only let my friends play on my bit of the beach and I dont play on beaches that I know strangers may be able to get on.
M
So my rental property being griefed is my fault because "people who allow these things to happen to themselves"? And because my rental property is "in public places"? That is absurd. I take steps to ensure my properties are not griefed and that my servers are not griefed but it does still happen. Less often now that I have more experience with both but it would be foolish for me to think it will never happen again.
"people who allow these things to happen to themselves"
Blaming the victim of a heinous act is asenine.
So my rental property being griefed is my fault because "people who allow these things to happen to themselves"? And because my rental property is "in public places"? That is absurd. I take steps to ensure my properties are not griefed and that my servers are not griefed but it does still happen. Less often now that I have more experience with both but it would be foolish for me to think it will never happen again.
"people who allow these things to happen to themselves"
Blaming the victim of a heinous act is asenine.
I am sorry but you have serious issues differentiating between real life and a computer game.
FYI, I am a landlord too, I take adequate steps in terms of bonds and landlords insurance to ensure that I am protected as I can be.
I am aware of the risks involved and don't feel like a victim if they happen.
Besides, I thought we were talking about sand castles.
It's all well and good to say that people should take steps to protect themselves; but let's keep in mind here that the OP clearly indicated that the victim in this scenario was a "little kid" and his friend is not. The friend, therefore, as a responsibility to also respect the child's youth and naive-ness and to deliberately not take advantage of the child's young age and certainly not to make fun of the child's typical child-like reaction to the situation. Whether or not one believes that the griefing was a misguided joke or a tool to bully this child, it is still very clear that this older person was not behaving responsibly or respectfully towards the child... and it is also very clear that the OP himself is not respecting the child by posting the situation to the forums - potentially exposing the child to public ridicule here.
I was going to comment on this thread, but honestly Upup here summed up exactly what I was thinking quite nicely. Thanks
A lot of people take griefing personally. I can't blame them. This is a creative game, if you stomp on someone's creative dirt hut, expect them to be mad about it. Personally, I'm taking note of the OP's GT to steer clear of him, and his 'friends'.(Whom I suspect is just a single person..)
So technicalities aside was that yes you would feel bullied or no you wouldn't?
The point I am making is you are leaving creations in public place - beach, park, server etc.
You clearly understand the limitations with the host privilages in minecraft and you understand that people you do not know may come on to your server. But you then feel that they are bullying you by destroying your creations.
We dont live in a perfect society, we all know that.
What frustrates me (and is the reason I decided to continue on this thread) is that people who allow these things to happen to themselves - by building sandcastles in public places or creations on insecure servers - dont recognise that actually, its their responsibility to prevent these things from happening.
Nobody destroys my sandcastles. I only let my friends play on my bit of the beach and I dont play on beaches that I know strangers may be able to get on.
M
The stereotype of the 98 pound weakling is that he's at the beach (building a sandcastle) when a muslcle bound bully shows up to kick sand in his face or wreck the sandcastle he's building. Ironic that y'all missed that bit of obviousness. It's not about walking away from your sandcastle and expecting it to be safe because nobody would expect that on a beach. it's about somebody wrecking it because they KNOW it'll bother you.
Let's scale this to reality a bit. You're in the MC 360 forum, not the PC forum. For practical purposes, there's no such thing as a public server on the 360. There's my 360 and my friends and my friends of friends using my 360 which I choose to leave on for as long as I choose to leave on, which isn't overnight in most people's cases as 360's need reboots and cool-down time.
Since access to my 360 is by virtue of being my friend of a friend of a friend, there's sort of an expectation of trust. if my friends aren't jerks, surely their friends aren't jerks. A faulty assumption, but given the keyword "friend" in the 360's networking model, one that some people may be inclined to believe.
Because of this setup, or an even more secure one where I only invited people I trusted, the real trama of griefing is the betrayal of trust. Somebody we THOUGHT was trustworthy abused that privilege and took advantage of the situation. That hurts. A place we thought was safe has been violated. That hurts. Ask anybody who's house was robbed. They do not feel safe there anymore.
The 360 only lets 8 people on at a time, and allegedly somebody knows somebody else on the box. It "feels" secure. But obviously it isn't. There are people who get off on violating that sense of security. And they can find a way to weasel into your circle of trust and then nail you when you least expect it. That's kind of the point of their attack.
I am sorry but you have serious issues differentiating between real life and a computer game.
FYI, I am a landlord too, I take adequate steps in terms of bonds and landlords insurance to ensure that I am protected as I can be.
I am aware of the risks involved and don't feel like a victim if they happen.
Besides, I thought we were talking about sand castles.
M
An hour of your life is still an hour of your life whether it is minecrafting or kayaking. It is still an hour. Don't know how I could make it any simpler so you could understand.
The stereotype of the 98 pound weakling is that he's at the beach (building a sandcastle) when a muslcle bound bully shows up to kick sand in his face or wreck the sandcastle he's building. Ironic that y'all missed that bit of obviousness. It's not about walking away from your sandcastle and expecting it to be safe because nobody would expect that on a beach. it's about somebody wrecking it because they KNOW it'll bother you.
Let's scale this to reality a bit. You're in the MC 360 forum, not the PC forum. For practical purposes, there's no such thing as a public server on the 360. There's my 360 and my friends and my friends of friends using my 360 which I choose to leave on for as long as I choose to leave on, which isn't overnight in most people's cases as 360's need reboots and cool-down time.
Since access to my 360 is by virtue of being my friend of a friend of a friend, there's sort of an expectation of trust. if my friends aren't jerks, surely their friends aren't jerks. A faulty assumption, but given the keyword "friend" in the 360's networking model, one that some people may be inclined to believe.
Because of this setup, or an even more secure one where I only invited people I trusted, the real trama of griefing is the betrayal of trust. Somebody we THOUGHT was trustworthy abused that privilege and took advantage of the situation. That hurts. A place we thought was safe has been violated. That hurts. Ask anybody who's house was robbed. They do not feel safe there anymore.
The 360 only lets 8 people on at a time, and allegedly somebody knows somebody else on the box. It "feels" secure. But obviously it isn't. There are people who get off on violating that sense of security. And they can find a way to weasel into your circle of trust and then nail you when you least expect it. That's kind of the point of their attack.
Didn't miss it just didn't say anything about that aspect. I still remember the old ads in the back of comic books for some Atlas strength product. It was a beach scene with a bully kicking sand in someone's face.
The people I know in real life don't play video games. My servers do not allow friends of friends and are 18+. I only started playing video games about 3 or 4 years ago. So most people I play with I have met here or on another server etc. The only way to know if you can trust someone is to play with them. There are some red flags hence the 18+ age restriction.
An hour of your life is still an hour of your life whether it is minecrafting or kayaking. It is still an hour. Don't know how I could make it any simpler so you could understand.
Now there is a sig-worthy quote. Thanks for that.
I hate griefing in any endeavor, real or virtual. People who get their jollies by causing pain to others should be allowed to roam free about as much as rabid dogs. Bullying is a very real crime. We have all been victims to it at one time or another.
But if you tick off another little kid the next day and a different one the day after that, it is demonstrating the mentality of a bully - just one who changes their targets around.
Whether or not the victim feels bullied does not determine whether or not the perpetrator's intent is to bully the victim. The vicitm has an absolute right to feel whatever they feel regardless of whether their assessment of the situation is accurate, overreacting, or under-reacting, etc. It's the mental state and intent of the perpetrator the determines whether or not they are using griefting as a tool to bully a victim or innocently thinking that their actions will be received by their "friend" in a light-hearted way. Even if their first act of griefing a friend might be an intended light-hearted joke, IF they persist to grief again or prank that person again in even a different way after their first joke is not well received, that is a clearer indication that their intent was actually not to jest, but to aggravate and harm... and THAT is when it crosses over the line to become bullying. Frequently, however, the bullies rationalize their actions as being just joking... but people who innocently play a joke that goes wrong are more usually inclined to sincerely apologize for their mistake and they don't repeat the joke. They accept that not everyone enjoys being pranked and respect that boundary afterward. They also don't tend to blame their victim for feeling as though they have been bullied; whereas, bullies usually do.
Oops meant to write something. Anyway with that said I say you are wrong sir. There are some people who don't understand when a joke has gone to far. They can't comprehend how certain people feel. Unlike what
IAMBaldur888
said it's not that they are a sociopath or have the mentality of a serial killer. And before anyone tells me they have down syndrome or are mentally handicapped it's not that either. And quite honestly if you are taking this game or any game that seriously to consider greifing as cyber bullying then you really need to take a long look at your life and ask what got you here. It's a game yes I understand you spend countless hours playing it and building things being oh so creative that you have to pat yourself on the back when you finish but get over yourself you did it once you can do it again. If you are that hurt by people destroying your builds play by yourself on a world no one can get into.
Oops meant to write something. Anyway with that said I say you are wrong sir. There are some people who don't understand when a joke has gone to far. They can't comprehend how certain people feel. Unlike what
IAMBaldur888
said it's not that they are a sociopath or have the mentality of a serial killer. And before anyone tells me they have down syndrome or are mentally handicapped it's not that either. And quite honestly if you are taking this game or any game that seriously to consider greifing as cyber bullying then you really need to take a long look at your life and ask what got you here. It's a game yes I understand you spend countless hours playing it and building things being oh so creative that you have to pat yourself on the back when you finish but get over yourself you did it once you can do it again. If you are that hurt by people destroying your builds play by yourself on a world no one can get into.
You sir are clearly misreading what I wrote. I did not say that griefing IS cyberbullying, I said that griefing can be used as a tool by cyberbullies to harrass/harm their victims and have clearly acknowledged from the outset in all my posts that griefing can also merely be a joke taken too far. Whether or not it is being used as a tool to cyberbully depends entirely on the intent of the person doing the griefing. If they intend to harass or harm the target of their griefing, then they are more likely bullying them rather than just innocently pranking them. Whether or not the victim feels as though they've been bullied is really besides the point. Some people are more sensitive than others and, as a result, more easily hurt by bullies. To be a sensitive person, one does not need to be disabled, so why are you bringing them up?
Bullies do exhibit clear patterns of behavior that identify them as bullies. That does not necessarily make them sociopaths and I NEVER implied any such thing.
Well we have griefing on PC version of Minecraft, Since minecraft is a game, I wouldn't call it bulling. But on the PC version, Griefing is definetly frowed upon if you are on a Anti-Griefing Server. Servers have rules and if their broken that means Ban. They ban your IP Address on computer and its at the ISP level so yea, there aint no changing that. You just won't play if you break the rules on an Anti-Griefing server.
I think it boils down to the Server really, If the rules State No Griefing then yes that Bulling, If da rules say ok to Grief then I don't see why the little kid whining.
Besides, Why would a little kid be playing on it? Well I guess this game is for all ages, but seriously people take this crap to seriously. Though I do know when you been on for 4 hours straight and building crap that wasted your whole life away, you could get a little upset when someone comes to destroy 4 hours worth of work.
I griefed a few times, people ban me though, Heck I say only good time to grief is when someone being a D**k.
Cyber bulling I think is more Hate based like if you on someones facebook or youtube and calling them names or something.
"Server Error" obviously means "posted"..
"Server Error" obviously means "posted"..
So my rental property being griefed is my fault because "people who allow these things to happen to themselves"? And because my rental property is "in public places"? That is absurd. I take steps to ensure my properties are not griefed and that my servers are not griefed but it does still happen. Less often now that I have more experience with both but it would be foolish for me to think it will never happen again.
"people who allow these things to happen to themselves"
Blaming the victim of a heinous act is asenine.
https://www.youtube.com/user/IAMBaldur/feed
I am sorry but you have serious issues differentiating between real life and a computer game.
FYI, I am a landlord too, I take adequate steps in terms of bonds and landlords insurance to ensure that I am protected as I can be.
I am aware of the risks involved and don't feel like a victim if they happen.
Besides, I thought we were talking about sand castles.
M
I was going to comment on this thread, but honestly Upup here summed up exactly what I was thinking quite nicely. Thanks
A lot of people take griefing personally. I can't blame them. This is a creative game, if you stomp on someone's creative dirt hut, expect them to be mad about it. Personally, I'm taking note of the OP's GT to steer clear of him, and his 'friends'.(Whom I suspect is just a single person..)
The stereotype of the 98 pound weakling is that he's at the beach (building a sandcastle) when a muslcle bound bully shows up to kick sand in his face or wreck the sandcastle he's building. Ironic that y'all missed that bit of obviousness. It's not about walking away from your sandcastle and expecting it to be safe because nobody would expect that on a beach. it's about somebody wrecking it because they KNOW it'll bother you.
Let's scale this to reality a bit. You're in the MC 360 forum, not the PC forum. For practical purposes, there's no such thing as a public server on the 360. There's my 360 and my friends and my friends of friends using my 360 which I choose to leave on for as long as I choose to leave on, which isn't overnight in most people's cases as 360's need reboots and cool-down time.
Since access to my 360 is by virtue of being my friend of a friend of a friend, there's sort of an expectation of trust. if my friends aren't jerks, surely their friends aren't jerks. A faulty assumption, but given the keyword "friend" in the 360's networking model, one that some people may be inclined to believe.
Because of this setup, or an even more secure one where I only invited people I trusted, the real trama of griefing is the betrayal of trust. Somebody we THOUGHT was trustworthy abused that privilege and took advantage of the situation. That hurts. A place we thought was safe has been violated. That hurts. Ask anybody who's house was robbed. They do not feel safe there anymore.
The 360 only lets 8 people on at a time, and allegedly somebody knows somebody else on the box. It "feels" secure. But obviously it isn't. There are people who get off on violating that sense of security. And they can find a way to weasel into your circle of trust and then nail you when you least expect it. That's kind of the point of their attack.
An hour of your life is still an hour of your life whether it is minecrafting or kayaking. It is still an hour. Don't know how I could make it any simpler so you could understand.
Didn't miss it just didn't say anything about that aspect. I still remember the old ads in the back of comic books for some Atlas strength product. It was a beach scene with a bully kicking sand in someone's face.
The people I know in real life don't play video games. My servers do not allow friends of friends and are 18+. I only started playing video games about 3 or 4 years ago. So most people I play with I have met here or on another server etc. The only way to know if you can trust someone is to play with them. There are some red flags hence the 18+ age restriction.
https://www.youtube.com/user/IAMBaldur/feed
Now there is a sig-worthy quote. Thanks for that.
I hate griefing in any endeavor, real or virtual. People who get their jollies by causing pain to others should be allowed to roam free about as much as rabid dogs. Bullying is a very real crime. We have all been victims to it at one time or another.
You sir are clearly misreading what I wrote. I did not say that griefing IS cyberbullying, I said that griefing can be used as a tool by cyberbullies to harrass/harm their victims and have clearly acknowledged from the outset in all my posts that griefing can also merely be a joke taken too far. Whether or not it is being used as a tool to cyberbully depends entirely on the intent of the person doing the griefing. If they intend to harass or harm the target of their griefing, then they are more likely bullying them rather than just innocently pranking them. Whether or not the victim feels as though they've been bullied is really besides the point. Some people are more sensitive than others and, as a result, more easily hurt by bullies. To be a sensitive person, one does not need to be disabled, so why are you bringing them up?
Bullies do exhibit clear patterns of behavior that identify them as bullies. That does not necessarily make them sociopaths and I NEVER implied any such thing.
I'm personally sick to death of it.
I think it boils down to the Server really, If the rules State No Griefing then yes that Bulling, If da rules say ok to Grief then I don't see why the little kid whining.
Besides, Why would a little kid be playing on it? Well I guess this game is for all ages, but seriously people take this crap to seriously. Though I do know when you been on for 4 hours straight and building crap that wasted your whole life away, you could get a little upset when someone comes to destroy 4 hours worth of work.
I griefed a few times, people ban me though, Heck I say only good time to grief is when someone being a D**k.
Cyber bulling I think is more Hate based like if you on someones facebook or youtube and calling them names or something.
I'm personally sick to death of it.
I find that my topics never get more than 4 replays but this made my day the fact that you took a no joking matter and made me Rofl
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So what happened? Why did the kid start cussing? Did the little kid get a MC atomic wedgie?