Alright Guys, this is getting a bit to intense for a Minecraft thread.
Yes, I agree that we should have free DLC but let me tell you why and not ramble on how 4J sucks, they did a really magnificent port and I could not have asked for a better one.
Back in the FAQ for Minecraft XBL Edition(Remember that Thread? So Informative), A question regarding the Skins is a way 4J Studios can give to the Minecraft Xbox Gamer for free I Quote the Q&A:: http://www.minecraft...c/page__st__180
Does that Not sound like it would not work? Halo Reach Did that with the Blue Flame Helmet and Why can't Minecraft Do that? It is very possible.
You're comparing apples to oranges. Halo is a full released title, not an arcade titles. Bungie has way more control over there game.
Could This Not work? Ever heard of That poopy Minecraft clone Total Miner Forge? Did it not implement FREE Community Made work? Excuse me did you not hear me? It was FREE Still Is, and credit goes to the texture pack creator! Now with Mods, I doubt they will 4J will come up with anything original of their own. Still not buying believing me you "I don't care they work hard they need money and i am willing to pay more than what this game asks for" People? Here you go more facts!
Where do you find that Total Miner Forge has free user created content? All i find when I search is websites on how to mod it, but modding the save files is against the ToS of Microsoft...so i hardly find that to be a fact...
See the big problem here is that 4J, is taking the popular loved mods PC Players got to enjoy, and people who bought Minecraft XBL Edition have to pay for OTHER INDIVIDUALS WORK, It's not 4J's work or craftsmanship, just them saying
4J: "Oh Hey! Can i use your mod in this port"
Mod Creator: "Sure man i would not mind it!(:"
4J At The Office: "Alright So we got the Mod Creator's permission to use their imagination and hardwork and coding In this port so lets just do what they did not and put it up for DLC and charge it to make even MORE MONEY!"
Do you read one post and think it's so well-fitted to your liking you re-post it for the umpteenth time?
Am i as funny as you now?
Sorry i digress, Also Ever heard of The quite popular game Mass Effect 3? How many DLC packs have been launched 3 including 1 Single Player DLC for free, Am i right? Yeah, Yeah, The Day one DLC was charged for money but that was EA's Dirty work obviously. Isn't Aegis Wing Free On the Market Place? Isn't that interesting game Doritos Crash course free? Wasn't Red Dead's First DLC free? I thought they had to "have atleast 1 free DLC and the rest is charged" Refer to Mass Effect 3 then talk to me.
Take Notes 4J, Step up your game.
(Also I didn't mean to offend anyone i just get really, intense with these kind of arguements)
I highly doubt that 4J is going to just directly take a modder's code (you know...since it's written in java...) and I find it hard to believe that if 4J was to make mods, that they would just make a copy period. I'm sure if they were to make mods, they would build there own from scratch, and we may see mods that are similar to some that are on PC. Also... be aware that Modders on th PC borrow ideas from each other...some even improve other's mods.
Also...you're comparing another Apples to an Orange...Minecraft is an Arcade Title, not a Xbox Title like Mass Effect 3.
You're comparing apples to oranges. Halo is a full released title, not an arcade titles. Bungie has way more control over there game.
Where do you find that Total Miner Forge has free user created content? All i find when I search is websites on how to mod it, but modding the save files is against the ToS of Microsoft...so i hardly find that to be a fact...
I highly doubt that 4J is going to just directly take a modder's code (you know...since it's written in java...) and I find it hard to believe that if 4J was to make mods, that they would just make a copy period. I'm sure if they were to make mods, they would build there own from scratch, and we may see mods that are similar to some that are on PC. Also... be aware that Modders on th PC borrow ideas from each other...some even improve other's mods.
Also...you're comparing another Apples to an Orange...Minecraft is an Arcade Title, not a Xbox Title like Mass Effect 3.
So, Hey did you read the whole post? Doesn't sound like it because you sound like every other 4J Groupie or another person who is blinded by others opinions and assumptions.
Refer to my post, I did not compare an Apple or an Orange, Also what if Minecraft is an Arcade title? It is an Indie Game on PC, but the popularity is equal or greater to 'A' List titles.
Alright Guys, this is getting a bit to intense for a Minecraft thread.
Yes, I agree that we should have free DLC but let me tell you why and not ramble on how 4J sucks, they did a really magnificent port and I could not have asked for a better one.
Back in the FAQ for Minecraft XBL Edition(Remember that Thread? So Informative), A question regarding the Skins is a way 4J Studios can give to the Minecraft Xbox Gamer for free I Quote the Q&A:: http://www.minecraft...c/page__st__180
Does that Not sound like it would not work? Halo Reach Did that with the Blue Flame Helmet and Why can't Minecraft Do that? It is very possible.
If they opened up a link to minecraft.net profiles, they'd still need staff on hand to ensure obscene and copyright-infringing skins don't get through. This is a point that so many people arguing for free skins do not realize. As long as 4J has to pay people to screen skins, the money to compensate their jobs will come from somewhere. https://twitter.com/4JStudios/status/221555376393420800 This is what 4J has to say about it. That "issue that gets lawyers excited" is what I'm talking about, the need for them to not allow objectionable content through.
Still not buying believing me you "I don't care they work hard they need money and i am willing to pay more than what this game asks for"
Does the 98 in your username stand for your birth year? If so, I suspect the reason you don't buy that is because you're 14 years old and do not understand the value of a day's work. If not, then I have no idea.
See the big problem here is that 4J, is taking the popular loved mods PC Players got to enjoy, and people who bought Minecraft XBL Edition have to pay for OTHER INDIVIDUALS WORK, It's not 4J's work or craftsmanship, just them saying
4J: "Oh Hey! Can i use your mod in this port"
Mod Creator: "Sure man i would not mind it!(:"
4J At The Office: "Alright So we got the Mod Creator's permission to use their imagination and hardwork and coding In this port so lets just do what they did not, charge for it put it as DLC to make even MORE MONEY!"
You're saying that like you assume that's how it's going to work. What if they pay people to make custom maps, or pay people to use their PC maps in the Xbox edition? What if they DO make their own original content, based on inspiration from existing maps? Eg, they could make their own Vechs-style wool challenge map without actually copying any of Vechs' maps.
Sorry i digress, Also Ever heard of The quite popular game Mass Effect 3? How many DLC packs have been launched 3 including 1 Single Player DLC for free, Am i right? Yeah, Yeah, The Day one DLC was charged for money but that was EA's Dirty work obviously. Isn't Aegis Wing Free On the Market Place? Isn't that interesting game Doritos Crash course free? Wasn't Red Dead's First DLC free? I thought they had to "have at least 1 free DLC and the rest is charged"? Refer to Mass Effect 3 then talk to me. Try to Endeavor the reason that i Have facts not meaningless repeated OPINIONS and ASSUMPTIONS.
EA, Rockstar Games, and Frito-Lay are much bigger companies than 4J studios. They have the resources and probably additional sponsorships in order to continue to make money while relasing free DLC.
So, Hey did you read the whole post? Doesn't sound like it because you sound like every other 4J Groupie or another person who is blinded by others opinions and assumptions.
Refer to my post, I did not compare an Apple or an Orange, Also what if Minecraft is an Arcade title? It is an Indie Game on PC, but the popularity is equal or greater to 'A' List titles.
i read your post. You don't clearly understand the tighter hold Microsoft has on Arcade titles compared to a title release. I'm not a groupie, but you can label me what you will.
Take notes? On what? You claim facts in your post and don't back it up. I question them you ignore them.
i read your post. You don't clearly understand the tighter hold Microsoft has on Arcade titles compared to a title release. I'm not a groupie, but you can label me what you will.
Take notes? On what? You claim facts in your post and don't back it up. I question them you ignore them.
Did i ask for a debate? Don't think so you say "EA and Rockstar have the resources 4J doesn't" Well you know 4J ported/remade games including this one right? Like the Oblivion port to the PS3, remember that? Or the Overlord: Rasing Hell port to the PS3? Didn't they put up Banjo-Tooie and Banjo-Kazooie and Also Perfect Dark on the XBLA? They obviously have worked with Mojang and ZeniMax Studios also Microsoft Game Studios, So you can't say they are nobody and have little experience and resources.
Also no the 98 in my name does not refer to my age can i not the same account name linking to my first XBL account? Is your name ChikkaBowBow because you wanted to be funny or like a kid movie/cartoon? Oh I'm sorry i wanted to be like you and give you meaningless assumptions and opinions. Actually re-read my posts if you say "I Have no reasoning behind my facts" I do refer to alot of things, facts to be specific, and not quote certain parts of my post to say out loud meaningless repeated idiotically declarative statements that are so absurd. It's cool if you know a couple things, actually pat yourself on the back, Just keep it to yourself gentlemen but be well-informed if you want and argument worth engaging, even so It's extremely pointless to argue on this forum for an E rated game. How do i ignore my own written facts? Obviously they are already posted on this thread, so to question them did you truly look behind the meaning? Or say "Oh Hey yeah i don't like what he said here, time to debate!" Bet you did or just wanted to have the light shine on you for that brief period, jokes on you. Also for any of you saying "Arcade title has a tighter hold by Microsoft" Or "You don't know how much time coding takes and how much time this port took" etc. etc. etc. etc.
You know how this stuff works? Or Did you hear it from a friend or Google? If you do know what you are talking about and are well-informed why are you wasting time on this forum or this game and not programming, directing, captivating, a project?
I'm Done here, got my point through.
Did i ask for a debate? Don't think so you say "EA and Rockstar have the resources 4J doesn't" Well you know 4J ported/remade games including this one right? Like the Oblivion port to the PS3, remember that? Or the Overlord: Rasing Hell port to the PS3? Didn't they put up Banjo-Tooie and Banjo-Kazooie and Also Perfect Dark on the XBLA? They obviously have worked with Mojang and ZeniMax Studios also Microsoft Game Studios, So you can't say they are nobody and have little experience and resources.
Also no the 98 in my name does not refer to my age can i not the same account name linking to my first XBL account? Is your name ChikkaBowBow because you wanted to be funny or like a kid movie/cartoon? Oh I'm sorry i wanted to be like you and give you meaningless assumptions and opinions. Actually re-read my posts if you say "I Have no reasoning behind my facts" I do refer to alot of things, facts to be specific, and not quote certain parts of my post to say out loud meaningless repeated idiotically declarative statements that are so absurd. It's cool if you know a couple things, actually pat yourself on the back, Just keep it to yourself gentlemen but be well-informed if you want and argument worth engaging, even so It's extremely pointless to argue on this forum for an E rated game. How do i ignore my own written facts? Obviously they are already posted on this thread, so to question them did you truly look behind the meaning? Or say "Oh Hey yeah i don't like what he said here, time to debate!" Bet you did or just wanted to have the light shine on you for that brief period, jokes on you. Also for any of you saying "Arcade title has a tighter hold by Microsoft" Or "You don't know how much time coding takes and how much time this port took" etc. etc. etc. etc.
You know how this stuff works? Or Did you hear it from a friend or Google? If you do know what you are talking about and are well-informed why are you wasting time on this forum or this game and not programming, directing, captivating, a project?
I'm Done here, got my point through.
I'm sorry I'm not going to agree with you, and I'm sorry you're upset that I do not find all your "facts" as such. You also don't know how forums work, nor the internet at that. If you don't want people to make comments about what you post then don't post it publicly. Also, everything you read online is not fact, you need to be careful what you read.
I will go along with linking sources with what I've said:
"Arcade title has a tighter hold by Microsoft"
Compared to traditional retail titles, these games are smaller, less expensive, and provide gamers with a more intense short-term experience.
If you don't understand what that means then I'll explain...
Microsoft decides how big the games are (save files, downloads, and update files), how much they charge for it (this includes the DLC), and the games aren't designed to play 80-hours long.
Minecraft has no set goal, you can complete everything within a few hours of playing it. It's not like a title release with story lines, side quests, mini games, character developments, and so forth...Yes, you can play Minecraft that long, but you make Minecraft how you want it.
Alright Guys, this is getting a bit to intense for a Minecraft thread... (then inserts quotes from OLD Q&A)
So... this is the first game to make bold statements and then realize they can't actually fulfill them-due to whatever extenuating circumstances behind the scenes that neither yourself nor anyone else on this board can verify with 100% certainty?
Also, notice the words "maybe," "could" and "possibility" inserted into each of 4J's answers. And yet these are stated as two of your "facts."
Also, you use Doritos Crash Course and Aegis Wing as your examples? Aegis Wing was an intern project at Microsoft and Doritos Crash Course is a playable commercial. Both DCC and Harm's Way were sponsored by Frito Lay, hence, they paid for those games to be free as a way to advertise Doritos and promote their brand, much like Dash of Destruction and Yaris (Toyota) were. Not to mention that none of these are very fun.
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
So far, every add-on on the Minecraft world, be it updates, skins, mods, etc. Are all free. If you guys decide to put out DLCs. Almost every Minecraft gamer will give you guys criticism for paid practices (no matter how cheap it is).
Minecraft is all about being free except, obviously, for the game itself. Minecraft is supposed to have the feeling of "free". Minecraft is in the spirit of being free. Sure, you can argue that multiplayer servers have hosts that charges money to its players, but those "charges" are not made by official game developers but by gamers themselves.
My best advice. Make the DLCs absolutely worth its price and so far.. Skin DLCs? Please... 4J, you're better than that. Everyone practically knows that it is easy to develop a free alternate way if you guys chose to do so.
Dont get me wrong, I love you guys. However, I know that there is absolutely no moral compass when extra money is in the equation. I might get banned for saying this..
4j Studios... dont be pathetic...
I agree, they're getting $20 bucks a pop for the game itself, not to mention it's the biggest hit on the Xbox Indie Market of all time. I wouldn't mind paying, but you've seriously got to have some meat, not just dessert. Give us something to go with the skins, like texture packs or mods.
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Personally I'm good with paying for anything that's a cosmetic choice, or a custom gameplay mechanic. Skins, texture packs, etc.? If I wanted 'em I wouldn't be upset about shelling out a few bucks for, say, a DokuCraft texture pack or something.
But I don't -need- those things. Same as I don't really -need- the Lumberjack mod, or whatever it's called, but I'd fork out a buck or two to be able to cut trees down like that.
I'm just glad that I don't have to pay for Pistons, or the Adventure Update, etc. etc.
/votes post up.
Me agrees just because me wants free DLC's.
But now let's get this straight. M$ WANTS TEH MONEH! And M$ is in control of TEH MUNEH! 4J IZ NAWT controlling teh flow of MUNEH.
Yes MS is kinda money hungry but they just can't release free DLC because every patch is more than 1K and they have to sel stuff in order to give us stuff.
This is a good thread, it really is, but the only thing that completely baffles me
and questions my faith in these forums is the amount of votes up this guy got
for making a thread on what everybody else has said a thousand times already.
I'm not jealous, nor am I picking a fight, I'm just saying that this issue has been
argued and talked about tons of times and this guy only has 70 posts or so and
gets more vote ups than someone with a 500 post count.
Is this all it takes to win the decision of all of the forum users? 65 VOTES UP
FOR 1 POST?!?!
wow man. I guess all I can really say is.... congratulations.
I agree, they're getting $20 bucks a pop for the game itself, not to mention it's the biggest hit on the Xbox Indie Market of all time. I wouldn't mind paying, but you've seriously got to have some meat, not just dessert. Give us something to go with the skins, like texture packs or mods.
Try to check the post dates next time, this thread was pretty old.
On Topic: I don't mind paying for any cosmetic/mod content pushed out by 4j, as on PC, people are volunteering to make the content, and most often get recompense from ad.fly links. 4j are doing it because it is their job, and they should also receive recompense. The way they get that is through us paying for the content. I don't mind paying for it because it isn't necessary to play the game. Would it be nice? Sure. Is it free on PC? Yes. Is this the PC version? No. Sorry, but if we ever hope to get mods or texture packs, we need to stop complaining about them charging for the skin packs. Obviously, mods take a lot more work than skin packs, so they would naturally cost more.
Let's face it, we are going to be paying for extra content, just like with any other game.
It isnt even 4J Studios fault that they have to charge because of Xbox. I don't see why people should criticize them about it either I mean all they're doing is selling a mod THEY made I mean come on they deserve money for sitting for hours at a desk coding and testing it. Mods on PC are mostly made third party so 4J has no connection with them if 4J wanted to charge for Xbox mods they would already be charging on PC.
Actually, making one skin takes 5 - 10 mins if you have a good concept of what you want, and 4J are meant to be professional, so they could easily allocate a time to make 100 - 200 skins and release them all at once in one package. I dislike dlc as well, but because Microsoft is incredibly out of touch with their community (im an xbox gamer, i'd know) we'll never have a stage when we can design our own skins and render dlc useless.
I agree with most of this. I guess in my mind though it would be more important to fix this: then to come out with a ton of skins when they've done a good job so far at giving us skin options. An exploit like this could break/ruin the game for many people.
Where do you find that Total Miner Forge has free user created content? All i find when I search is websites on how to mod it, but modding the save files is against the ToS of Microsoft...so i hardly find that to be a fact...
I highly doubt that 4J is going to just directly take a modder's code (you know...since it's written in java...) and I find it hard to believe that if 4J was to make mods, that they would just make a copy period. I'm sure if they were to make mods, they would build there own from scratch, and we may see mods that are similar to some that are on PC. Also... be aware that Modders on th PC borrow ideas from each other...some even improve other's mods.
Also...you're comparing another Apples to an Orange...Minecraft is an Arcade Title, not a Xbox Title like Mass Effect 3.
So, Hey did you read the whole post? Doesn't sound like it because you sound like every other 4J Groupie or another person who is blinded by others opinions and assumptions.
Refer to my post, I did not compare an Apple or an Orange, Also what if Minecraft is an Arcade title? It is an Indie Game on PC, but the popularity is equal or greater to 'A' List titles.
If they opened up a link to minecraft.net profiles, they'd still need staff on hand to ensure obscene and copyright-infringing skins don't get through. This is a point that so many people arguing for free skins do not realize. As long as 4J has to pay people to screen skins, the money to compensate their jobs will come from somewhere.
https://twitter.com/4JStudios/status/221555376393420800 This is what 4J has to say about it. That "issue that gets lawyers excited" is what I'm talking about, the need for them to not allow objectionable content through.
Does the 98 in your username stand for your birth year? If so, I suspect the reason you don't buy that is because you're 14 years old and do not understand the value of a day's work. If not, then I have no idea.
You're saying that like you assume that's how it's going to work. What if they pay people to make custom maps, or pay people to use their PC maps in the Xbox edition? What if they DO make their own original content, based on inspiration from existing maps? Eg, they could make their own Vechs-style wool challenge map without actually copying any of Vechs' maps.
EA, Rockstar Games, and Frito-Lay are much bigger companies than 4J studios. They have the resources and probably additional sponsorships in order to continue to make money while relasing free DLC.
Keep yourself up to date with the Minecraft Forum rules!
Take notes? On what? You claim facts in your post and don't back it up. I question them you ignore them.
Did i ask for a debate? Don't think so you say "EA and Rockstar have the resources 4J doesn't" Well you know 4J ported/remade games including this one right? Like the Oblivion port to the PS3, remember that? Or the Overlord: Rasing Hell port to the PS3? Didn't they put up Banjo-Tooie and Banjo-Kazooie and Also Perfect Dark on the XBLA? They obviously have worked with Mojang and ZeniMax Studios also Microsoft Game Studios, So you can't say they are nobody and have little experience and resources.
Also no the 98 in my name does not refer to my age can i not the same account name linking to my first XBL account? Is your name ChikkaBowBow because you wanted to be funny or like a kid movie/cartoon? Oh I'm sorry i wanted to be like you and give you meaningless assumptions and opinions. Actually re-read my posts if you say "I Have no reasoning behind my facts" I do refer to alot of things, facts to be specific, and not quote certain parts of my post to say out loud meaningless repeated idiotically declarative statements that are so absurd. It's cool if you know a couple things, actually pat yourself on the back, Just keep it to yourself gentlemen but be well-informed if you want and argument worth engaging, even so It's extremely pointless to argue on this forum for an E rated game. How do i ignore my own written facts? Obviously they are already posted on this thread, so to question them did you truly look behind the meaning? Or say "Oh Hey yeah i don't like what he said here, time to debate!" Bet you did or just wanted to have the light shine on you for that brief period, jokes on you. Also for any of you saying "Arcade title has a tighter hold by Microsoft" Or "You don't know how much time coding takes and how much time this port took" etc. etc. etc. etc.
You know how this stuff works? Or Did you hear it from a friend or Google? If you do know what you are talking about and are well-informed why are you wasting time on this forum or this game and not programming, directing, captivating, a project?
I'm Done here, got my point through.
I will go along with linking sources with what I've said:
"Arcade title has a tighter hold by Microsoft"
Source: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/developers/xbox360/xbla
If you don't understand what that means then I'll explain...
Microsoft decides how big the games are (save files, downloads, and update files), how much they charge for it (this includes the DLC), and the games aren't designed to play 80-hours long.
Minecraft has no set goal, you can complete everything within a few hours of playing it. It's not like a title release with story lines, side quests, mini games, character developments, and so forth...Yes, you can play Minecraft that long, but you make Minecraft how you want it.
So... this is the first game to make bold statements and then realize they can't actually fulfill them-due to whatever extenuating circumstances behind the scenes that neither yourself nor anyone else on this board can verify with 100% certainty?
Fable
Mass Effect 3
Skyrim
Also, notice the words "maybe," "could" and "possibility" inserted into each of 4J's answers. And yet these are stated as two of your "facts."
Also, you use Doritos Crash Course and Aegis Wing as your examples? Aegis Wing was an intern project at Microsoft and Doritos Crash Course is a playable commercial. Both DCC and Harm's Way were sponsored by Frito Lay, hence, they paid for those games to be free as a way to advertise Doritos and promote their brand, much like Dash of Destruction and Yaris (Toyota) were. Not to mention that none of these are very fun.
I agree, they're getting $20 bucks a pop for the game itself, not to mention it's the biggest hit on the Xbox Indie Market of all time. I wouldn't mind paying, but you've seriously got to have some meat, not just dessert. Give us something to go with the skins, like texture packs or mods.
But I don't -need- those things. Same as I don't really -need- the Lumberjack mod, or whatever it's called, but I'd fork out a buck or two to be able to cut trees down like that.
I'm just glad that I don't have to pay for Pistons, or the Adventure Update, etc. etc.
Yes MS is kinda money hungry but they just can't release free DLC because every patch is more than 1K and they have to sel stuff in order to give us stuff.
and questions my faith in these forums is the amount of votes up this guy got
for making a thread on what everybody else has said a thousand times already.
I'm not jealous, nor am I picking a fight, I'm just saying that this issue has been
argued and talked about tons of times and this guy only has 70 posts or so and
gets more vote ups than someone with a 500 post count.
Is this all it takes to win the decision of all of the forum users? 65 VOTES UP
FOR 1 POST?!?!
wow man. I guess all I can really say is.... congratulations.
Try to check the post dates next time, this thread was pretty old.
On Topic: I don't mind paying for any cosmetic/mod content pushed out by 4j, as on PC, people are volunteering to make the content, and most often get recompense from ad.fly links. 4j are doing it because it is their job, and they should also receive recompense. The way they get that is through us paying for the content. I don't mind paying for it because it isn't necessary to play the game. Would it be nice? Sure. Is it free on PC? Yes. Is this the PC version? No. Sorry, but if we ever hope to get mods or texture packs, we need to stop complaining about them charging for the skin packs. Obviously, mods take a lot more work than skin packs, so they would naturally cost more.
Let's face it, we are going to be paying for extra content, just like with any other game.
I totally loved that bit, it made me laugh and simultaneously made me a little bit sick in my mouth.
Are you 4J's older brother after the ugly guy took it to the Prom?
I agree with most of this. I guess in my mind though it would be more important to fix this: then to come out with a ton of skins when they've done a good job so far at giving us skin options. An exploit like this could break/ruin the game for many people.
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