With the addition of an extra step to the process, I would suggest changing the recipe to 2 wheat = 1 dough, but leave the bread at restoring 5 hunger points. This would also allow for crafting in your inventory, if you really need the dough. This would slightly better balance out the final product at 1x(5 hunger + high saturation) bread to 2-3x(5 hunger + low saturation) potatoes. If you are willing to take the extra farming time for better saturation, I think this would be the best way to do that.
Where is everybody getting "baked potatoes have low saturation" from? I can certainly tell you that is false, as does the Wiki itself (note that I'm still playing an older version but they just restored an extra hunger point, with hardly any differences). Maybe you are confusing baked potatoes with raw potatoes, certainly one of the least satisfying foods that don't actually poison you.
A real problem with wheat (and bread) is that Fortune doesn't work on it - I can get food for a weeks worth of playing by harvesting an 8x8 potato farm with a Fortune III tool, averaging 3 stacks per harvest (half a stack is enough for me to mine 3000+ ores and kill 300+ mobs while caving, hence my statement about their saturation). If they made Fortune work the same way as it does on ores, getting 2.2 times the wheat per crop, it would make it a more attractive late-game food.
I think it's okay if it isn't a good late-game food as long as it's a good early game food. But it's not even good at that. You'll be fishing until you have enough seeds to support yourself and replacing wheat with potatoes or carrots as soon as you can because they are far superior even without an enchanted tool.
Excuse me, where are you getting string that early in the game? The point of bread is, you you can make it with no more equipment than a wooden hoe and crafting table, and without killing anything.
I do understand the appeal of "bread ought to be baked" (I bake bread IRL), but balance-wise, it messes with bread's status as "your first food". (And also with challenge-map mechanics.) As given, the change would mean you need at least stone and fuel for a furnace, before you can make bread at all. Let alone at least one person above who's proposing a recipe with a water bucket (iron)!
If you want to make bread require baking, you need to supplement it with another recipe, a wheat-based food item that doesn't need smelting (perhaps porridge?). Then you can buff the baked bread to be more plentiful or filling.
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Excuse me, where are you getting string that early in the game? The point of bread is, you you can make it with no more equipment than a wooden hoe and crafting table, and without killing anything.
I do understand the appeal of "bread ought to be baked" (I bake bread IRL), but balance-wise, it messes with bread's status as "your first food". (And also with challenge-map mechanics.) As given, the change would mean you need at least stone and fuel for a furnace, before you can make bread at all. Let alone at least one person above who's proposing a recipe with a water bucket (iron)!
If you want to make bread require baking, you need to supplement it with another recipe, a wheat-based food item that doesn't need smelting (perhaps porridge?). Then you can buff the baked bread to be more plentiful or filling.
There was one suggestion for crackers. Those don't need anything special, and can simply be baked with a furnace and some wood. Bread is meant to be a mid-tier food, as it restores 2 and a half shanks and is quite filling. They can also add a wooden bucket, to make it easier on people who don't want to use iron.
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To be honest, I think it should be slightly more complicated than this. It should involve a new block, the grain mill.
The grain mill would have to be hand-cranked, and can not be powered by redstone current.
Wheat(or any other grain, they should add rye, rice, and other bread grains) can be converted into flour at a 1:1 ratio, and 8 flour surrounding a water bucket would give you dough. Then you cook the dough to give you a loaf of bread. A knife would be made with an iron ingot and a stick, this would be combined with bread to give you 8 slices of bread, each giving 1 hunger point or half of one shank/whatever those icons are called. Those could be cooked in a furnace to get toast, healing 2 hunger points. Milk could be turned into butter with a butter churn, made with 5 wood planks and 2 sticks. It is also hand-operated, and would turn one bucket of milk into one block of butter. This block could be subdivided into 9 sticks of butter. One stick of butter crafted with a slice of toast gives you buttered toast, which gives 2.5 hunger points.
This is a really good point but idk about the butter but other than that really good mind you have there
I sort of like it for the aspect of realism and it makes bread less convenient. I prefer to use wheat and coal to breed cows and sheep to make steak (or cooked mutton). It may take longer but once it has a decent size, it's the best late-game food.
While I think this is a great Idea, it would make some thing that only has one use. every thing in MC is ether decoration, A finished food product or crafting product, or has 2 purposes, this would make something that fit into none of the categories. maybe if you could do more with this?
Whatever discussion has taken place, I do not support the method as outlined in the original post. 3 wheat is already too much for the current bread, it shouldn't also take fuel. You should change your original post to be more balanced (with the help of ideas that were discussed).
While I think this is a great Idea, it would make some thing that only has one use. every thing in MC is ether decoration, A finished food product or crafting product, or has 2 purposes, this would make something that fit into none of the categories. maybe if you could do more with this?
Well it does fit in with 1 of the categories it's a finished food product...
Eh... it's better in wheat-to-bread balance than the current method of getting bread, but the downside is tedium. The method currently outlined in the original post requires you to make something with only one use, then obtain wheat and water (water that doesn't stack, so to make a bunch of bread requires you to place a new bucket over and over again), then take the result and stick it in a furnace, for food that isn't as good as steak.
Eh... it's better in wheat-to-bread balance than the current method of getting bread, but the downside is tedium. The method currently outlined in the original post requires you to make something with only one use, then obtain wheat and water (water that doesn't stack, so to make a bunch of bread requires you to place a new bucket over and over again), then take the result and stick it in a furnace, for food that isn't as good as steak.
You get the bucket back when crafting dough from flour and a water bucket.
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You get the bucket back when crafting dough from flour and a water bucket.
That's not what I meant. Since buckets of water don't stack, you'll have to manually put another bucket of water into the crafting slot. It's small, but it's an extra tedium we don't need.
That's not what I meant. Since buckets of water don't stack, you'll have to manually put another bucket of water into the crafting slot. It's small, but it's an extra tedium we don't need.
It's a tedium I can deal with. Though, I also added an idea for usage of wooden buckets. Those could be made to stack, or someone could use a bucket mod and have it take 1 bucket's worth of water from it. There are mods that add buckets that hold more than one bucket of water.
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It's a tedium I can deal with. Though, I also added an idea for usage of wooden buckets. Those could be made to stack, or someone could use a bucket mod and have it take 1 bucket's worth of water from it. There are mods that add buckets that hold more than one bucket of water.
It's not a tedium I'd bother with. The idea is that the better something is, the more time is required to get it. Bread isn't so good that I'd take so much time with it. I would think that making it more difficult to make should mean that bread is improved in some way.
Also, this suggestion is not about buckets. Buckets that don't exist are not really relevant to the conversation.
Where is everybody getting "baked potatoes have low saturation" from? I can certainly tell you that is false, as does the Wiki itself (note that I'm still playing an older version but they just restored an extra hunger point, with hardly any differences). Maybe you are confusing baked potatoes with raw potatoes, certainly one of the least satisfying foods that don't actually poison you.
A real problem with wheat (and bread) is that Fortune doesn't work on it - I can get food for a weeks worth of playing by harvesting an 8x8 potato farm with a Fortune III tool, averaging 3 stacks per harvest (half a stack is enough for me to mine 3000+ ores and kill 300+ mobs while caving, hence my statement about their saturation). If they made Fortune work the same way as it does on ores, getting 2.2 times the wheat per crop, it would make it a more attractive late-game food.
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Excuse me, where are you getting string that early in the game? The point of bread is, you you can make it with no more equipment than a wooden hoe and crafting table, and without killing anything.
I do understand the appeal of "bread ought to be baked" (I bake bread IRL), but balance-wise, it messes with bread's status as "your first food". (And also with challenge-map mechanics.) As given, the change would mean you need at least stone and fuel for a furnace, before you can make bread at all. Let alone at least one person above who's proposing a recipe with a water bucket (iron)!
If you want to make bread require baking, you need to supplement it with another recipe, a wheat-based food item that doesn't need smelting (perhaps porridge?). Then you can buff the baked bread to be more plentiful or filling.
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There was one suggestion for crackers. Those don't need anything special, and can simply be baked with a furnace and some wood. Bread is meant to be a mid-tier food, as it restores 2 and a half shanks and is quite filling. They can also add a wooden bucket, to make it easier on people who don't want to use iron.
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This is a really good point but idk about the butter but other than that really good mind you have there
Really, who doesn't like buttered toast? It's amazing.
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Well it does fit in with 1 of the categories it's a finished food product...
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You get the bucket back when crafting dough from flour and a water bucket.
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Yep you will always get the bucket back just like when your crafting a cake
That's not what I meant. Since buckets of water don't stack, you'll have to manually put another bucket of water into the crafting slot. It's small, but it's an extra tedium we don't need.
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It's a tedium I can deal with. Though, I also added an idea for usage of wooden buckets. Those could be made to stack, or someone could use a bucket mod and have it take 1 bucket's worth of water from it. There are mods that add buckets that hold more than one bucket of water.
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It's not a tedium I'd bother with. The idea is that the better something is, the more time is required to get it. Bread isn't so good that I'd take so much time with it. I would think that making it more difficult to make should mean that bread is improved in some way.
Also, this suggestion is not about buckets. Buckets that don't exist are not really relevant to the conversation.
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