If we are talking pure Vanilla, gold ingots into gold blocks for decoration? I also use the ingots to make armor to decorate the base with. Now, if you are talking modded minecraft there are a number of mods that make use of gold ingots for various things.
I don't use gold for decoration unless its a palace build or something of that sort but I have used gold tools instead of using up diamond if I'm starting a new world.
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How is it useless? Haha! It's an important ingredient in some recipes such as powered rails, clock, golden apple, and the decorative gold block. It adds the challenge of getting those recipes. I say keep it.
Couldn't do without it for powered rails. That uses up almost all of what gold I use. I have a few clocks hanging around, and golden apples are useful.
Anyways never forget Powered rails. You will never have enough gold if you ever decide to work with powered rails.
Never have enough? I have a world with around 15,000 blocks of rails yet I only needed 534 powered rails (the number that MCEdit found in the world the last time I analyzed it, with no new rails added since) - and mined nearly 50,000 gold, an average of about 20 gold per hour, more if you only included the time spent caving. In fact, I actually have more gold blocks (5,600) than the gold I mined can account for thanks to gold found in chests in mineshafts, which also gave me many times the rails I've needed without ever crafting any (if I wanted to I could make more than a million rails with the iron I mined).
You only need one powered rail every 38 blocks to maintain top speed on a straight level track; I used more because I place them every 33 blocks (half a stack of normal rails per powered rail) and because I use them at the ends and intersections to start and stop minecarts (an inactive rail or two to stop and hold the minecart in place, with an active rail separated by one normal rail, so I can hop in and press W for a second until I roll over it, then away I go). It is relatively much easier to get the necessary gold than iron if you make all the tracks you use; assuming I crafted all the rails I used I only needed about 1/10 as much gold as iron (1/12 just for the 32:1 ratio of rails:powered rails over straight sections), while I found about 1/8 as much and branch-mining would be about 1/5, and that's ignoring mesas.
We get it guys. Gold is useful in many ways, no need to further rub it in.
Gold could definitely be improved, and I mean this by enhancing the tools it is used in. Yes, gold is a soft metal, but it is still metal. It seems slightly ridiculous to me that a full set of leather armor absorbs 28% of damage taken by an opponent, and gold armor is only better by about 16%.
AS mentioned, gold is very useful and just by watching any big youtuber play minecraft, they all have zombie pigmen farms to farm gold nuggets to make into gold ingots. You need a lot of the stuff to make any significant amount of the best saturated food in the game, golden carrots, as well as any decent amount of power rails which I find redstoners use a lot. Besides that stuff, don't forget about glistening melons and their use in potion brewing.
If anything, I find gold to be one of the more valuable and useful item in the game, granted it isn't as useful as some other items. Gold in a whole is something I find I'm lacking and others seem to be hoarding it as they get it.
You only need one powered rail every 38 blocks to maintain top speed on a straight level track; I used more because I place them every 33 blocks (half a stack of normal rails per powered rail) and because I use them at the ends and intersections to start and stop minecarts (an inactive rail or two to stop and hold the minecart in place, with an active rail separated by one normal rail, so I can hop in and press W for a second until I roll over it, then away I go). It is relatively much easier to get the necessary gold than iron if you make all the tracks you use; assuming I crafted all the rails I used I only needed about 1/10 as much gold as iron (1/12 just for the 32:1 ratio of rails:powered rails over straight sections), while I found about 1/8 as much and branch-mining would be about 1/5, and that's ignoring mesas.
I also use powered rails at 1/32 as you say because its easy to count that when laying a long stretch, but my major use of powered rail is for lifting carts.
I build in 'Extreme Hills" and get tired of running up and down stairs, so I make 5 x 5 helical railways in all my locations to travel up and down, sometimes up to 100 blocks rise. For that you need 1 powered rail for every 3 block rise (1 powered and 2 straight climbing on each side and flat curves on corners) so ratio is 1/3. All the advantages of elevators and very straightforward
Never have enough? I have a world with around 15,000 blocks of rails yet I only needed 534 powered rails (the number that MCEdit found in the world the last time I analyzed it, with no new rails added since) - and mined nearly 50,000 gold, an average of about 20 gold per hour, more if you only included the time spent caving. In fact, I actually have more gold blocks (5,600) than the gold I mined can account for thanks to gold found in chests in mineshafts, which also gave me many times the rails I've needed without ever crafting any (if I wanted to I could make more than a million rails with the iron I mined).
You only need one powered rail every 38 blocks to maintain top speed on a straight level track; I used more because I place them every 33 blocks (half a stack of normal rails per powered rail) and because I use them at the ends and intersections to start and stop minecarts (an inactive rail or two to stop and hold the minecart in place, with an active rail separated by one normal rail, so I can hop in and press W for a second until I roll over it, then away I go). It is relatively much easier to get the necessary gold than iron if you make all the tracks you use; assuming I crafted all the rails I used I only needed about 1/10 as much gold as iron (1/12 just for the 32:1 ratio of rails:powered rails over straight sections), while I found about 1/8 as much and branch-mining would be about 1/5, and that's ignoring mesas.
I also use powered rails at 1/32 as you say because its easy to count that when laying a long stretch, but my major use of powered rail is for lifting carts.
I build in 'Extreme Hills" and get tired of running up and down stairs, so I make 5 x 5 helical railways in all my locations to travel up and down, sometimes up to 100 blocks rise. For that you need 1 powered rail for every 3 block rise (1 powered and 2 straight climbing on each side and flat curves on corners) so ratio is 1/3. All the advantages of elevators and very straightforward
This thread is about gold, not powered rails. Please stay on topic and limit the discussion to whether gold should be removed.
We get it guys. Gold is useful in many ways, no need to further rub it in.
Gold could definitely be improved, and I mean this by enhancing the tools it is used in. Yes, gold is a soft metal, but it is still metal. It seems slightly ridiculous to me that a full set of leather armor absorbs 28% of damage taken by an opponent, and gold armor is only better by about 16%.
Golden tools do have quality of life uses if you are willing to put extra resources in them.
As short as they last, golden tools are faster than even diamond tools, so if you have some spare unbreaking/mending that you can invest in, clearing out areas can be much faster.
It's still outclassed by a maxed efficiency diamond pick, but golden tools are really great for short bursts of speed through the mid-game. Maybe not the most practical, but it's still pretty accessible.
Golden armor still kinda is useless, but still has the higher enchantability of all gold tools, so they aren't totally useless, just a bit impractical.
As for golden apples, despite their nerfs, they can still be used to spare enchanted golden apples. If you eat an enchanted golden apple it gives better buffs then a normal one, but a normal one can reset the timer of those buffs while keeping their strengths, so it might be worth keeping both of them.
Overall golden tools seem to be the "Underdog" with hidden potential. It doesn't take it very far, but the potential is still there.
As short as they last, golden tools are faster than even diamond tools, so if you have some spare unbreaking/mending that you can invest in, clearing out areas can be much faster.
Actually, they are no faster than diamond on most blocks when you put Efficiency V on them; I tested it before and I only saw a slight improvement on Ender chests, the hardest block that gold can mine. Even without enchantments they are barely better than diamond, much less than the 50% faster mining speed suggests.
The reason for this is because the game rounds mining times up to the nearest tick, and adds an additional 0.25 second delay unless the block can be mined instantly, plus another tick; I measured both at 150 blocks per minute on stone (0.4 seconds per block) and 133 blocks per minute on ore (0.45 seconds per block).
Also, Efficiency adds a value to the mining speed of a tool (the Wiki at one time said it increased speed by 30% per level or 371% with Efficiency V, but that has not been the case since at least 1.6 and probably earlier, or their percent increase was just an average) and because of this wooden tools actually benefit the most; Efficiency V adds 26 (5 squared + 1) and wood has a base speed of 2 so the final speed is 28, a 14-fold increase in speed, while gold only sees a 3.16-fold increase (12 to 38) and diamond a 4.25-fold increase (8 to 34).
To calculate how long it takes to break a block, multiply its hardness by 30 and divide by the mining speed, rounding up, then multiply by 0.05 seconds per tick and add 0.25 seconds if it takes more than one tick to break; in the case of stone, with a hardness of 1.5, unenchanted gold takes 0.45 seconds and unenchanted diamond takes 0.55 seconds (hence, gold is only 22% faster, not 50%) and Efficiency V gold and diamond both take 0.35 seconds (which based on my results is actually 0.4, likely because you can't start mining the next block until the following tick, which is also consistent with how instant mining works). In fact, even Efficiency V wood mines stone just as quickly, as will anything with a speed between 23 and 44 (thus, 0.35/0.4 seconds is the fastest possible mining speed for any block without instant mining. Since instant mining mines a block in 0.05 seconds this effectively gives you an 8-fold increase in speed).
Also, I don't see how you are going to be able to effectively use a tool that has no more than 132 uses - you'll have to constantly stop to repair it, while diamond has 47 times the durability (with Mending the cost is the same but you can go that much longer between repairs).
Actually, they are no faster than diamond on most blocks when you put Efficiency V on them; I tested it before and I only saw a slight improvement
I know about these limitations, and I covered them. My post was specifically before you get yourself some crazy good enchantments like Efficiency V.
It's for easy accessibility despite not being all too practical. If you have gold and maybe some other resources to spare, then yeah, they can be useful. Of course its small durability isn't practical for say the amount of mining you'd do, but it can be enough for maybe a mob farm or space for an underground base if you make a few pickaxes, gold isn't too rare, especially if you've just got done raiding a few ocean monuments.
Yeah it'll get outclassed by an Efficiency V pickaxe, but not everyone is going to have one right away, so this is kind of a substitute in a way.
What are your views on Gold in Minecraft? Is it absolutely useless?
What ways have you found to make it useful?
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If we are talking pure Vanilla, gold ingots into gold blocks for decoration? I also use the ingots to make armor to decorate the base with. Now, if you are talking modded minecraft there are a number of mods that make use of gold ingots for various things.
Well of course Modded is a whole another thing with endless opportunitiesfor gold.
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I don't use gold for decoration unless its a palace build or something of that sort but I have used gold tools instead of using up diamond if I'm starting a new world.
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They would be more useful if we could make golden apples with them like we do for carrots.
How is it useless? Haha! It's an important ingredient in some recipes such as powered rails, clock, golden apple, and the decorative gold block. It adds the challenge of getting those recipes. I say keep it.
Couldn't do without it for powered rails. That uses up almost all of what gold I use. I have a few clocks hanging around, and golden apples are useful.
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Never have enough? I have a world with around 15,000 blocks of rails yet I only needed 534 powered rails (the number that MCEdit found in the world the last time I analyzed it, with no new rails added since) - and mined nearly 50,000 gold, an average of about 20 gold per hour, more if you only included the time spent caving. In fact, I actually have more gold blocks (5,600) than the gold I mined can account for thanks to gold found in chests in mineshafts, which also gave me many times the rails I've needed without ever crafting any (if I wanted to I could make more than a million rails with the iron I mined).
You only need one powered rail every 38 blocks to maintain top speed on a straight level track; I used more because I place them every 33 blocks (half a stack of normal rails per powered rail) and because I use them at the ends and intersections to start and stop minecarts (an inactive rail or two to stop and hold the minecart in place, with an active rail separated by one normal rail, so I can hop in and press W for a second until I roll over it, then away I go). It is relatively much easier to get the necessary gold than iron if you make all the tracks you use; assuming I crafted all the rails I used I only needed about 1/10 as much gold as iron (1/12 just for the 32:1 ratio of rails:powered rails over straight sections), while I found about 1/8 as much and branch-mining would be about 1/5, and that's ignoring mesas.
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We get it guys. Gold is useful in many ways, no need to further rub it in.
Gold could definitely be improved, and I mean this by enhancing the tools it is used in. Yes, gold is a soft metal, but it is still metal. It seems slightly ridiculous to me that a full set of leather armor absorbs 28% of damage taken by an opponent, and gold armor is only better by about 16%.
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AS mentioned, gold is very useful and just by watching any big youtuber play minecraft, they all have zombie pigmen farms to farm gold nuggets to make into gold ingots. You need a lot of the stuff to make any significant amount of the best saturated food in the game, golden carrots, as well as any decent amount of power rails which I find redstoners use a lot. Besides that stuff, don't forget about glistening melons and their use in potion brewing.
If anything, I find gold to be one of the more valuable and useful item in the game, granted it isn't as useful as some other items. Gold in a whole is something I find I'm lacking and others seem to be hoarding it as they get it.
I also use powered rails at 1/32 as you say because its easy to count that when laying a long stretch, but my major use of powered rail is for lifting carts.
I build in 'Extreme Hills" and get tired of running up and down stairs, so I make 5 x 5 helical railways in all my locations to travel up and down, sometimes up to 100 blocks rise. For that you need 1 powered rail for every 3 block rise (1 powered and 2 straight climbing on each side and flat curves on corners) so ratio is 1/3. All the advantages of elevators and very straightforward
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Actually, gold is useful for a lot of things, such as clocks, powered rails, and golden apples.
This thread is about gold, not powered rails. Please stay on topic and limit the discussion to whether gold should be removed.
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Golden tools do have quality of life uses if you are willing to put extra resources in them.
As short as they last, golden tools are faster than even diamond tools, so if you have some spare unbreaking/mending that you can invest in, clearing out areas can be much faster.
It's still outclassed by a maxed efficiency diamond pick, but golden tools are really great for short bursts of speed through the mid-game. Maybe not the most practical, but it's still pretty accessible.
Golden armor still kinda is useless, but still has the higher enchantability of all gold tools, so they aren't totally useless, just a bit impractical.
As for golden apples, despite their nerfs, they can still be used to spare enchanted golden apples. If you eat an enchanted golden apple it gives better buffs then a normal one, but a normal one can reset the timer of those buffs while keeping their strengths, so it might be worth keeping both of them.
Overall golden tools seem to be the "Underdog" with hidden potential. It doesn't take it very far, but the potential is still there.
Didn't even think about that, would love to see it too.
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Actually, they are no faster than diamond on most blocks when you put Efficiency V on them; I tested it before and I only saw a slight improvement on Ender chests, the hardest block that gold can mine. Even without enchantments they are barely better than diamond, much less than the 50% faster mining speed suggests.
The reason for this is because the game rounds mining times up to the nearest tick, and adds an additional 0.25 second delay unless the block can be mined instantly, plus another tick; I measured both at 150 blocks per minute on stone (0.4 seconds per block) and 133 blocks per minute on ore (0.45 seconds per block).
Also, Efficiency adds a value to the mining speed of a tool (the Wiki at one time said it increased speed by 30% per level or 371% with Efficiency V, but that has not been the case since at least 1.6 and probably earlier, or their percent increase was just an average) and because of this wooden tools actually benefit the most; Efficiency V adds 26 (5 squared + 1) and wood has a base speed of 2 so the final speed is 28, a 14-fold increase in speed, while gold only sees a 3.16-fold increase (12 to 38) and diamond a 4.25-fold increase (8 to 34).
To calculate how long it takes to break a block, multiply its hardness by 30 and divide by the mining speed, rounding up, then multiply by 0.05 seconds per tick and add 0.25 seconds if it takes more than one tick to break; in the case of stone, with a hardness of 1.5, unenchanted gold takes 0.45 seconds and unenchanted diamond takes 0.55 seconds (hence, gold is only 22% faster, not 50%) and Efficiency V gold and diamond both take 0.35 seconds (which based on my results is actually 0.4, likely because you can't start mining the next block until the following tick, which is also consistent with how instant mining works). In fact, even Efficiency V wood mines stone just as quickly, as will anything with a speed between 23 and 44 (thus, 0.35/0.4 seconds is the fastest possible mining speed for any block without instant mining. Since instant mining mines a block in 0.05 seconds this effectively gives you an 8-fold increase in speed).
Also, I don't see how you are going to be able to effectively use a tool that has no more than 132 uses - you'll have to constantly stop to repair it, while diamond has 47 times the durability (with Mending the cost is the same but you can go that much longer between repairs).
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I know about these limitations, and I covered them. My post was specifically before you get yourself some crazy good enchantments like Efficiency V.
It's for easy accessibility despite not being all too practical. If you have gold and maybe some other resources to spare, then yeah, they can be useful. Of course its small durability isn't practical for say the amount of mining you'd do, but it can be enough for maybe a mob farm or space for an underground base if you make a few pickaxes, gold isn't too rare, especially if you've just got done raiding a few ocean monuments.
Yeah it'll get outclassed by an Efficiency V pickaxe, but not everyone is going to have one right away, so this is kind of a substitute in a way.
Good points, but I always use Iron over Gold for tools, regardless of Diamond rarity.
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Ironically, the best use for gold is food. XD
Gold has a ton of uses, and so many crafting recipes, plus it looks awesome! Ever tried fighting with a gold sword?