I feel the need to pipe up, I don't even know why since most of what I would like to say has already been mentioned. I blame overtiredness and lack of sleep.
I'm a woman pushing thirty and I am kind of terrified to learn from this thread that ten year olds go on servers. I knew teens did, not the younger ones. Ten?! Yikes!
OP sounds like you're probably too young and easily offended to properly deal with trolls. There's nothing wrong with sensitivity, but it can make you a target for trolls online. No offense, but the way you type and get over excited, I can see why punks would bother you. If I were a troll, I would too. This is just an observation.
Please don't take offense to what I've said, I am just sharing my opinion, and will listen to what you have to say too. I'm glad you made this thread. I read every post, and I can understand where people are coming from for most of the responses.
It really is a shame you're going through so much. I sincerely hope you can find a nice server with a kind and helpful community.
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The problem with threads about these is that they support inequality and segregation. This thread, whether you're going to admit it or not, is asking for special treatment for females.
Let me explain, before anyone jumps on me.
Imagine that you're observing a server. You have no interactions whatsoever, you're just watching. A male (assumed) stumbles upon a female (assumed). Now, assuming that these are both "typical minecraft age", they're going to be fairly young, so lets say within the 12-14 age range, since I think 10 is far, far too young to be unsupervised on the internet. Anyway... two players of assumed opposite gender meet in a yellow wood. The assumed male proceeds to act like a "typical" 12-14 year old male. The assumed female gets offended, stomps her feet and leaves. See that last part? That's the problem solved naturally. If you don't like your situation -- leave. It's as easy as that, and we're fortunate enough to have that type of option in cyberspace. We're not so lucky in the real world.
Now, lets re-do the same scenario.
Two players, yellow wood, typical boy-meeting-girl-scenario. Boy now finds out that girl... is another boy. Lols were had, the boys now act like typical 12 year olds in the middle of nowhere towards each other. I'm assuming no one will find a problem with this? After all, it's "mutual harassment" (I use the word "harassment" lightly.) and it's between two (assumed) male parties, so this must be alright, yes?
Third and final example, using this thread. Two players, opposite assumed gender, yellow wood, typical boy has read this thread. Now, this is important in proving my point about special treatment. Boy now knows (or assumes) other player is female. Now he has to stop and "tread lightly" to avoid hurting her feelings. Normally, the boy would just spew whatever came out of his mouth organ, right? Well now he has to tip toe around his (potential) server to keep from making a little girl cry.
Sounds silly, right? People don't walk up to women on the street and speak to them any differently than they do men, right? So why should it be done in servers?
Now, I'm not advocating the verbal/sexual/mental abuse of ANYONE regardless of gender, but you need to realize that on the internet, you can make yourself a victim. Is this always the case? No, but in the case of Minecraft? Yes. When you have the option to simply leave and never return, you're choosing to make yourself a victim. You're choosing to put yourself in the situation that you don't like. Asking someone/admin/moderator to do something about it, is fine. But if you encounter this situation often, on different servers, it's not the other party's fault. Today's society enforces that it will always be someone else's fault. What it boils down to, if you don't like the situation, just leave. Seriously, it is *that* simple. Leave, find another server, I promise you there are thousands of them. The best part about Minecraft is that everything can be built again, often bigger and better than the previous. Change your behavior, because obviously it's something you're doing to spark this attention. Perhaps you should remain gender anonymous. There is no reason why anyone needs to know your gender on a server.
I know I have an unpopular opinion, and that's alright.
The real, honest-to-god issue is that parents do not parent their children anymore. If this girl's parents actually knew what she was doing when she was doing it, there is a good chance this issue would have never arisen. That goes doubly for the assumed young boy (We all know adults can be douchebags, too. That can't be helped with the exception of simply leaving.)
tl;dr: If someone is talking poorly to you, don't make yourself a victim and just leave. Parents, parent your children.
For the record, I am a woman. I am over the age of 18, and I have encountered the typical "You're a girl on the internet!" temperment. Do I call it harassment? No. They weren't harassing me, they were trying to troll me. The best way to troll the troll is to ignore them. Besides, they're often good fun.
Now, I'm off to the kitchen [where I belong] to make a sammich. Anyone want one?
Just like every other topic I've seen, people somehow find excuses for blatantly mean and disgusting behavior. I can't take comments seriously that say things along the lines of "It's the internet, so you should know and accept that your opinions are worthless", "It's a videogame, you're just being weak and sensitive", "Humans are humans, it's just natural for them to (Insert anything here)" and "You can either put up with what you see on the internet, or not use it at all". I see no other purpose to these comments than to let people get away with anything imaginable, by shutting up the people who are willing and able to do something about it. This is my final opinion on the topic, and I will not answer people trying to pick it apart with the kinds of comments I've listed.
To the OP, I'm annoyed that this is happening to people as young as 10, but I'm glad to see that you're handling it as maturely as you are. The servers I play in are ones with my close friends, so I don't play on many huge servers, but I have seen and experienced the stuff that you and others have gone through.
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He's saying if you're going on MC at the age of 10 thinking that everyone is going to be super friendly towards you, then you're wrong. The asshole in every human being is magnified over the internet.
People are going to be mean towards you no matter where you go on the internet, and you just have to learn to accept it.
I don't think everyone's the nicest person on the internet, 3/4 of them are asses.
I see no other purpose to these comments than to let people get away with anything imaginable, by shutting up the people who are willing and able to do something about it.
With the exception of complaining to an admin/mod, complaining solves nothing. This thread has not created a cure for this situation, has it?
You cannot control the masses.
You can only control the minority.
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Just like every other topic I've seen, people somehow find excuses for blatantly mean and disgusting behavior. I can't take comments seriously that say things along the lines of "It's the internet, so you should know and accept that your opinions are worthless", "It's a videogame, you're just being weak and sensitive", "Humans are humans, it's just natural for them to (Insert anything here)" and "You can either put up with what you see on the internet, or not use it at all"
I know.
Also too to everyone says, "Find a more mature server", "Your too young for the internet."
I know 2 8 year-olds that go on the internet. One is my brother. Another is on a server. To the 1st comment, I go on my private server more and single player. I don't go on very many servers, so please stop saying find a more mature server?
I get on my own private server more, and play on Single Player.
I'm gonna on record and say that "I've never encountered racism in real life, so i don't support the people trying to stop it"
Back on topic
That's NOT my ONLY reason to not support this women's rights thread.
so if i'm reading this right you're an advocate for racism as well as sexism.
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while i can see where your going with this, i don't think it's quite like that, it's not "special treatment" as much as it is "equal treatment".
as i understand it they don't hop on a server and say "lol i'm a girl!" as the first thing they say. it usually happens either through normal conversation, their skin, or their name [you don't really expect someone named bridget1224 to be a guy do you?]
all they're asking for in this thread is no harassment, saying "boys will be boys" is advocating their behavior, where instead it should be treated in the same manner as racism.
woooow
tldr; got the gist.
It seems you are another girl saying BOYS ARE BEING MEAN TO ME ! TREAT ME SPECIAL BECAUSE IM A GIRL!
also 10 is too young for minecraft
woooow
tldr; got the gist.
It seems you are another girl saying BOYS ARE BEING MEAN TO ME ! TREAT ME SPECIAL BECAUSE IM A GIRL!
also 10 is too young for minecraft
it's not special treatment, they want to be able to play without guys hitting on them/making sexist jokes/doing perverted things/etc
it's not special treatment, they want to be able to play without guys hitting on them/making sexist jokes/doing perverted things/etc
well i think it is. Thats what guys do. girls or not guys will do that
so asking guys to stop doing that because a girls there is special treatment , so many WOMEN above have said exactly this.
well i think it is. Thats what guys do. girls or not guys will do that
so asking guys to stop doing that because a girls there is special treatment , so many WOMEN above have said exactly this.
It isn't special treatment. Put yourself in the shoes of a girl skin. All these boys are harassing you and you politely ask them to stop. They say no and keep doing it. Does that seem like special treatment? HM?
It isn't special treatment. Put yourself in the shoes of a girl skin. All these boys are harassing you and you politely ask them to stop. They say no and keep doing it. Does that seem like special treatment? HM?
I know like, 3 8 year-olds who play it, 4 9 year-olds, and etc.
lol. if i ask a dude who is cursing at me or being a big old troll to stop he doesnt.
so if he stops because you are a girl is different treatment.
im just saying you get what everyone else gets.
and just because lil kiddies play minecraft doesnt mean they should be
so if i'm reading this right you're an advocate for racism as well as sexism.
while i can see where your going with this, i don't think it's quite like that, it's not "special treatment" as much as it is "equal treatment".
as i understand it they don't hop on a server and say "lol i'm a girl!" as the first thing they say. it usually happens either through normal conversation, their skin, or their name [you don't really expect someone named bridget1224 to be a guy do you?]
all they're asking for in this thread is no harassment, saying "boys will be boys" is advocating their behavior, where instead it should be treated in the same manner as racism.
Don't put words in my mouth, just because i don't support it, doesn't mean im for it.
It's not equal treatment if guys have to be careful around girls to make sure we dont "offend" them. Us guys aren't stopping girls from offending us.
Boys being immature is not and should not be treated as racism. stop instigating.
I'm new to minecraft and haven't done multiplayer yet but I understand where your coming from.
I've played a lot of online games in my time and being a guy I've never had a problem with being sexually harassed, I have tried playing as a female character on World of Warcraft an I had people all over me wanting to roleplay sex, it was not only very annoying when your just trying to play a game, but also pretty pathetic. I'm an adult so I'm not frightened or intimidated by it but that's me, a lot of younger people are.
The way I try to look at things is I know nothing about the people who I play with online and if I treat a female character as an object of sexual desire then how is that going to make me feel when I find out that she is actually a he? or if I find out that she is actually younger than my daughter? I'd feel pretty disgusted at myself.
I support you and agree with you 100%
And I congratulate you for having the courage to stand up to it.
you're either against it or you are it, i don't see a middle ground.
the only ones who would have to be careful are the ones who were sexist in the first place.
immature yes, but they need to be taught that it isn't acceptable, which is what this thread calls for.
You don't see a middle ground but I do. It's called "I don't care"
Sometimes it's just a joke, guys joke like that to each other all the time. (i.e "Go back to jerking off douchebag") Although i do believe that there are indeed sexists, i feel that they are the minority of the population and that the majority shouldn't have to suffer because of what they did.
It's up to the parents to teach the kids what is and isnt acceptable, what right do we have to decide what other people's kids should and should not do?
You don't see a middle ground but I do. It's called "I don't care"
Sometimes it's just a joke, guys joke like that to each other all the time. (i.e "Go back to jerking off douchebag") Although i do believe that there are indeed sexists, i feel that they are the minority of the population and that the majority shouldn't have to suffer because of what they did.
It's up to the parents to teach the kids what is and isnt acceptable, what right do we have to decide what other people's kids should and should not do?
jokes maybe, but who's to say that girls share this sense of humor?
and sexism is a lot more entwined with society than you think. men are basically trained from birth to hate women, treat them as objects, the media's the worst perpetrator, [reposting this from a few pages ago]
Reporter: “I have a question to Robert and to Scarlett. Firstly to Robert, throughout Iron Man 1 and 2, Tony Stark started off as a very egotistical character but learns how to fight as a team. And so how did you approach this role, bearing in mind that kind of maturity as a human being when it comes to the Tony Stark character, and did you learn anything throughout the three movies that you made?
“And to Scarlett, to get into shape for Black Widow did you have anything special to do in terms of the diet, like did you have to eat any specific food, or that sort of thing?”
Scarlett: “How come you get the really interesting existential question, and I get the like, “rabbit food” question?”
with that one quote Scarlett Johansson perfectly sums up the medias portrayal of woman.
gonna ave to agree with this, although to comment o the part about changing people, i may not change their opinions here, but if i can at least get them thinking about it, maybe they'll change later down the line when they actually encounter it in real life.
five years ago i probably would have supported chick-fil-a, but gradually my opinions changed and i'm a whole supporter of gay rights.
holy **** this sounds like some kind of AA testimonial from a theist crusader
I'm a woman pushing thirty and I am kind of terrified to learn from this thread that ten year olds go on servers. I knew teens did, not the younger ones. Ten?! Yikes!
OP sounds like you're probably too young and easily offended to properly deal with trolls. There's nothing wrong with sensitivity, but it can make you a target for trolls online. No offense, but the way you type and get over excited, I can see why punks would bother you. If I were a troll, I would too. This is just an observation.
Please don't take offense to what I've said, I am just sharing my opinion, and will listen to what you have to say too. I'm glad you made this thread. I read every post, and I can understand where people are coming from for most of the responses.
It really is a shame you're going through so much. I sincerely hope you can find a nice server with a kind and helpful community.
Let me explain, before anyone jumps on me.
Imagine that you're observing a server. You have no interactions whatsoever, you're just watching. A male (assumed) stumbles upon a female (assumed). Now, assuming that these are both "typical minecraft age", they're going to be fairly young, so lets say within the 12-14 age range, since I think 10 is far, far too young to be unsupervised on the internet. Anyway... two players of assumed opposite gender meet in a yellow wood. The assumed male proceeds to act like a "typical" 12-14 year old male. The assumed female gets offended, stomps her feet and leaves. See that last part? That's the problem solved naturally. If you don't like your situation -- leave. It's as easy as that, and we're fortunate enough to have that type of option in cyberspace. We're not so lucky in the real world.
Now, lets re-do the same scenario.
Two players, yellow wood, typical boy-meeting-girl-scenario. Boy now finds out that girl... is another boy. Lols were had, the boys now act like typical 12 year olds in the middle of nowhere towards each other. I'm assuming no one will find a problem with this? After all, it's "mutual harassment" (I use the word "harassment" lightly.) and it's between two (assumed) male parties, so this must be alright, yes?
Third and final example, using this thread. Two players, opposite assumed gender, yellow wood, typical boy has read this thread. Now, this is important in proving my point about special treatment. Boy now knows (or assumes) other player is female. Now he has to stop and "tread lightly" to avoid hurting her feelings. Normally, the boy would just spew whatever came out of his mouth organ, right? Well now he has to tip toe around his (potential) server to keep from making a little girl cry.
Sounds silly, right? People don't walk up to women on the street and speak to them any differently than they do men, right? So why should it be done in servers?
Now, I'm not advocating the verbal/sexual/mental abuse of ANYONE regardless of gender, but you need to realize that on the internet, you can make yourself a victim. Is this always the case? No, but in the case of Minecraft? Yes. When you have the option to simply leave and never return, you're choosing to make yourself a victim. You're choosing to put yourself in the situation that you don't like. Asking someone/admin/moderator to do something about it, is fine. But if you encounter this situation often, on different servers, it's not the other party's fault. Today's society enforces that it will always be someone else's fault. What it boils down to, if you don't like the situation, just leave. Seriously, it is *that* simple. Leave, find another server, I promise you there are thousands of them. The best part about Minecraft is that everything can be built again, often bigger and better than the previous. Change your behavior, because obviously it's something you're doing to spark this attention. Perhaps you should remain gender anonymous. There is no reason why anyone needs to know your gender on a server.
I know I have an unpopular opinion, and that's alright.
The real, honest-to-god issue is that parents do not parent their children anymore. If this girl's parents actually knew what she was doing when she was doing it, there is a good chance this issue would have never arisen. That goes doubly for the assumed young boy (We all know adults can be douchebags, too. That can't be helped with the exception of simply leaving.)
tl;dr: If someone is talking poorly to you, don't make yourself a victim and just leave. Parents, parent your children.
For the record, I am a woman. I am over the age of 18, and I have encountered the typical "You're a girl on the internet!" temperment. Do I call it harassment? No. They weren't harassing me, they were trying to troll me. The best way to troll the troll is to ignore them. Besides, they're often good fun.
Now, I'm off to the kitchen [where I belong] to make a sammich. Anyone want one?
To the OP, I'm annoyed that this is happening to people as young as 10, but I'm glad to see that you're handling it as maturely as you are. The servers I play in are ones with my close friends, so I don't play on many huge servers, but I have seen and experienced the stuff that you and others have gone through.
I don't think everyone's the nicest person on the internet, 3/4 of them are asses.
Everypony is awesome!
With the exception of complaining to an admin/mod, complaining solves nothing. This thread has not created a cure for this situation, has it?
You cannot control the masses.
You can only control the minority.
I know.
Also too to everyone says, "Find a more mature server", "Your too young for the internet."
I know 2 8 year-olds that go on the internet. One is my brother. Another is on a server. To the 1st comment, I go on my private server more and single player. I don't go on very many servers, so please stop saying find a more mature server?
I get on my own private server more, and play on Single Player.
Everypony is awesome!
I'm gonna on record and say that "I've never encountered racism in real life, so i don't support the people trying to stop it"
Back on topic
That's NOT my ONLY reason to not support this women's rights thread.
while i can see where your going with this, i don't think it's quite like that, it's not "special treatment" as much as it is "equal treatment".
as i understand it they don't hop on a server and say "lol i'm a girl!" as the first thing they say. it usually happens either through normal conversation, their skin, or their name [you don't really expect someone named bridget1224 to be a guy do you?]
all they're asking for in this thread is no harassment, saying "boys will be boys" is advocating their behavior, where instead it should be treated in the same manner as racism.
tldr; got the gist.
It seems you are another girl saying BOYS ARE BEING MEAN TO ME ! TREAT ME SPECIAL BECAUSE IM A GIRL!
also 10 is too young for minecraft
well i think it is. Thats what guys do. girls or not guys will do that
so asking guys to stop doing that because a girls there is special treatment , so many WOMEN above have said exactly this.
It isn't special treatment. Put yourself in the shoes of a girl skin. All these boys are harassing you and you politely ask them to stop. They say no and keep doing it. Does that seem like special treatment? HM?
I know like, 3 8 year-olds who play it, 4 9 year-olds, and etc.
Everypony is awesome!
lol. if i ask a dude who is cursing at me or being a big old troll to stop he doesnt.
so if he stops because you are a girl is different treatment.
im just saying you get what everyone else gets.
and just because lil kiddies play minecraft doesnt mean they should be
Don't put words in my mouth, just because i don't support it, doesn't mean im for it.
It's not equal treatment if guys have to be careful around girls to make sure we dont "offend" them. Us guys aren't stopping girls from offending us.
Boys being immature is not and should not be treated as racism. stop instigating.
I've played a lot of online games in my time and being a guy I've never had a problem with being sexually harassed, I have tried playing as a female character on World of Warcraft an I had people all over me wanting to roleplay sex, it was not only very annoying when your just trying to play a game, but also pretty pathetic. I'm an adult so I'm not frightened or intimidated by it but that's me, a lot of younger people are.
The way I try to look at things is I know nothing about the people who I play with online and if I treat a female character as an object of sexual desire then how is that going to make me feel when I find out that she is actually a he? or if I find out that she is actually younger than my daughter? I'd feel pretty disgusted at myself.
I support you and agree with you 100%
And I congratulate you for having the courage to stand up to it.
the only ones who would have to be careful are the ones who were sexist in the first place.
immature yes, but they need to be taught that it isn't acceptable, which is what this thread calls for.
You don't see a middle ground but I do. It's called "I don't care"
Sometimes it's just a joke, guys joke like that to each other all the time. (i.e "Go back to jerking off douchebag") Although i do believe that there are indeed sexists, i feel that they are the minority of the population and that the majority shouldn't have to suffer because of what they did.
It's up to the parents to teach the kids what is and isnt acceptable, what right do we have to decide what other people's kids should and should not do?
and sexism is a lot more entwined with society than you think. men are basically trained from birth to hate women, treat them as objects, the media's the worst perpetrator, [reposting this from a few pages ago]
“And to Scarlett, to get into shape for Black Widow did you have anything special to do in terms of the diet, like did you have to eat any specific food, or that sort of thing?”
Scarlett: “How come you get the really interesting existential question, and I get the like, “rabbit food” question?”
five years ago i probably would have supported chick-fil-a, but gradually my opinions changed and i'm a whole supporter of gay rights.