Xenos dont really tend to fight one another, but it would be nice to see the different kinds of 'morphs, ie Neomorph, Protomorph, Xenomorph, and the other Morph's fight each other, since as Cyber said, the 'morphs all see themselves as the apex predator.
I'd personally like it if the only type of 'morphs you could transport were infants, and maybe you have a item similar to the chestburster traps in avp 2010, rather than a cryo gun, since it doesnt appear in any media canonical to the Alien franchise, and I think it would be OP to transport a massive 'morph.
Since AvP 2010 isn't canon anymore, maybe something like the little fetus pods from Covenant, but a bit bigger, could work instead? Though they would only be able to transfer facehuggers, octohuggers, protohuggers, spore pods, and baby trilobites (royal huggers and adult trilos would be too big), as well as the various bursters. Maybe the medpod could have a special slot for the fetus pods, so when you/a mob use it, it places the embryo in the fetus pod instead of just killing it.
Though if that's the case, then maybe only tiny fetal bursters could be put in the pods, not already-born ones. And only the hugger embryos in eggs and spores from spore pods could be extracted and placed in a fetus pod. Would also give more functionality to the medpods too.
Since AvP 2010 isn't canon anymore, maybe something like the little fetus pods from Covenant, but a bit bigger, could work instead? Though they would only be able to transfer facehuggers, octohuggers, protohuggers, spore pods, and baby trilobites (royal huggers and adult trilos would be too big), as well as the various bursters. Maybe the medpod could have a special slot for the fetus pods, so when you/a mob use it, it places the embryo in the fetus pod instead of just killing it.
Though if that's the case, then maybe only tiny fetal bursters could be put in the pods, not already-born ones. And only the hugger embryos in eggs and spores from spore pods could be extracted and placed in a fetus pod. Would also give more functionality to the medpods too.
Though the embryos could still slowly grow in the stasis tube, or in some kind of vat for growing them further (w/o evolving them out of chestburster stage, of course).
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I think the fetus pod idea works, and maybe the bigger the hugger or burster. the more space in your inventory it takes? Like you could hold two chestbursters, 3 Facehuggers, and maybe the fetal bursters could stack up to 64, making it so you would want the fetal creatures? And then maybe you would want to inject said fetal creature into something, like maybe you could take a chicken egg, inject a little fetal-hugger in there, and it either grows into a ovamorph, killing the chicken, or the egg hatches into a avian xenomorph? Or, you could inject a burster which has been inside another creature, say a engineer, and then you could put it inside of a pig, and it will still grow up into a ultramorph. And maybe there could be a chance that the fetal-burster dies, making it more harder to breed them, so maybe it dies in a one out of five chance?
Also, on paradise, will the Protomorph eggs be limited to the amount seen in the film? Or will they spawn significantly more?
You probably won't be able to inject the embryos into animals, but the fetus pods will be there more as a way to store/transport smaller, immature 'morphs. Probably each fetus pod would stack to 1, and still stack to 1 if it contains a creature, but still can't stack with other fetus pods containing the same mob, both for balance and so you would always have a free slot even after you release the contained 'morph. But I do like the idea of failure in which the contained creature dies, maybe after its been stored so long, it will auto-die, to prevent you from just being able to hoard them. Also it would be good if you could transfer the creature in the fetus pod into a cryotube, both for long-time storage (given you have enough power), or decoration.
Protovamorphs will only spawn on Paradise yes, and rarely in caves systems more than likely. Though since they don't have a queen and never will (don't even ask), you will probably be able to make protovamorph using some combination of goo, villagers, maybe engies, and spores, and later its very possible adult protomorphs will be able to eggmorph organic non-'morph life.
Though for natural spawning of protos, probably there will be a limit, were only xx can spawn in a radius of yyy, and the game will check this before spawning in any more
When I mentioned xeno fighting xeno, I was referring to the brood of one queen fighting another. True, we haven't seen xenos fighting each other before, but there's only been one queen at a time up to this point. If you look at other hive-like species, the warriors of one hive tend to fight and kill the warriors of another as competition. I can see the Queens seeing another queen as competition in the same manner.
When I mentioned xeno fighting xeno, I was referring to the brood of one queen fighting another. True, we haven't seen xenos fighting each other before, but there's only been one queen at a time up to this point. If you look at other hive-like species, the warriors of one hive tend to fight and kill the warriors of another as competition. I can see the Queens seeing another queen as competition in the same manner.
Why would queens care about another queen? All queens do is sit around and pump out eggs, and these are xenos, not bees, ants, wolves, lions, etc. and as such, probably lack the "same-species rivalry" thing, since these are not merely aggressive animals. If anything, just queens will fight other queens, and "inherit" any xenos connected to the fell queen, instead of making the connected xenos do it. Queens need to get off their fat ovapositors and exercise themselves!
And like you said, no where in canon have we seen any queens encounter each other. If they were the perfect bioweapons they are made out to be, then they would join forces to rend to "meat" from the planet they're on together instead of just fight each other and waste resources..
Also having xenos that fight other xenos is too close to some noncanon things that will never happen (reds... K-series...).
The only time in any media when queens fought, was in Aliens:Genocide. Which is non canon.
Also it wasn't necessarily the Queens, mainly the warriors.
And the Xenomorph's weren't even of the same kind, it was the red strain and the normal strain fighting, and had no sense of self preservation, which most Xenomorphs in my opinion should show. I mean, its better to have a fully grown Xenomorph rather than a Ovamorph which cannot do anything. Thats another thing about the comics and the Aliens movie I don't get, the Xenos just through themselves into the path of obvious death, Literally just watch both the turret scene, and basically whenever the Xenos attack in Aliens.
Aliens is literally just starship troopers but with Xenos, seriously, just compare the brain bug from the film to the queen, and then compare the way how the warrior bugs act to the warrior Xenos. Although to be honest, the sole reason the any of the marines and Ripley survive is plot armor.
Ok, rant over. I just wanted to point out some flaws in Aliens.
It's because they're simply workers in the hive, their lives are meaningless. If it dies, a hundred more will take its place. And if the Queen wants something dead, then they'll jump in front of every gun they can until the job is done to make sure its done as soon as possible. I see nothing wrong with how the xenomorphs are depicted in Aliens.
And if you're wondering why the drone from Alien was so careful, that was because it was the only one around and needed to insure its own survival to carry on its species' legacy.
As for this xenomorphic in-fighting idea, I do like it and it does make sense on a biological level. Xenomorphs reproduce asexually, at least as far as we know, so the Queen and all her children are genetically identical. If another Queen is producing her own eggs, there's no reason why it should be allowed to continue to do so. Her children will be unrelated, and don't contribute to the first Queen's success, and just take resources away from the first Queen's children. To make sure her genes continue to survive, she should kill the other Queen.
I'll admit, its never really been shown canonically, but I think that's what would happen. Like others said, ants do the same thing. It would insure the strongest xenomorphs always prevail, again dealing with the "perfect organism", always fine-tuning itself.
It's because they're simply workers in the hive, their lives are meaningless. If it dies, a hundred more will take its place. And if the Queen wants something dead, then they'll jump in front of every gun they can until the job is done to make sure its done as soon as possible. I see nothing wrong with how the xenomorphs are depicted in Aliens.
And if you're wondering why the drone from Alien was so careful, that was because it was the only one around and needed to insure its own survival to carry on its species' legacy.
As for this xenomorphic in-fighting idea, I do like it and it does make sense on a biological level. Xenomorphs reproduce asexually, at least as far as we know, so the Queen and all her children are genetically identical. If another Queen is producing her own eggs, there's no reason why it should be allowed to continue to do so. Her children will be unrelated, and don't contribute to the first Queen's success, and just take resources away from the first Queen's children. To make sure her genes continue to survive, she should kill the other Queen.
I'll admit, its never really been shown canonically, but I think that's what would happen. Like others said, ants do the same thing. It would insure the strongest xenomorphs always prevail, again dealing with the "perfect organism", always fine-tuning itself.
That's the problem: no species with any inteligence like how it is shown to have in Alien and Aliens would purpously jump in front of a gun. And since Xenomorphs have some sort of telepathic abiliy, even as the ovamorph, the Xenomorph in Alien would have known that it wasn't the only one of its kind, because it would know of the eggs down on the planet the moment it burst from Kane's chest. Maybe while it was in Kane's chest as well.
The problem with the infighting is that it doesn't fine-tune the species, it creates a massive weakness to the species. Any Xenomorph lost fighting another hive would be a xenomorph that cannot defend the hive from, say, a group of Marines infultraiting the hive and blowing up the Queen.
I think that's basically what happened in one of he comics.
@Cybercat I'm guessing that a Xenomorph synthetic like Norbert would be out of the question for adding into the mod?
That's the problem: no species with any inteligence like how it is shown to have in Alien and Aliens would purpously jump in front of a gun. And since Xenomorphs have some sort of telepathic abiliy, even as the ovamorph, the Xenomorph in Alien would have known that it wasn't the only one of its kind, because it would know of the eggs down on the planet the moment it burst from Kane's chest. Maybe while it was in Kane's chest as well.
The problem with the infighting is that it doesn't fine-tune the species, it creates a massive weakness to the species. Any Xenomorph lost fighting another hive would be a xenomorph that cannot defend the hive from, say, a group of Marines infultraiting the hive and blowing up the Queen.
I think that's basically what happened in one of he comics.
@Cybercat I'm guessing that a Xenomorph synthetic like Norbert would be out of the question for adding into the mod?
No where was it said in canon xenomorphs have any form of telepathic, psychic, psionic, etc ability. They're not magical creatures and are just bioweapons with no abilities of that nature. They may be artificial in origin, but something like that is biologically impossible, especially since the Alien series is a bit more realistic as far as scifi goes, its not like Starcraft or anything where telepathic/psychic/psionic does canonically exist in that universe
But yes, fighting among themselves would be utterly pointless. They have zero reason to fight each other and just wastes resources. They're not like animals with some in-fighting complex. If 2 hives did happen to encounter each other, more than likely they would join forces to make a superhive with multiple queen for redundancy sake. Once again, these are intelligent bioweapons with reasoning skills and the ability to calculate risk/reward, not just angry animals. However different species fighting, i.e. protomorphs vs xenomorphs or neomorphs vs xenomorphs, is likely, since all the various 'morphs are unnatural abominations and all feel as if their species is the apex predator, and are all designed to kill everything that is not them.
And yes, no xenomorph, protomorph, neomorph, etc synthetics will be added as a) we won't add individuals and noncanon
No where was it said in canon xenomorphs have any form of telepathic, psychic, psionic, etc ability. They're not magical creatures and are just bioweapons with no abilities of that nature. They may be artificial in origin, but something like that is biologically impossible, especially since the Alien series is a bit more realistic as far as scifi goes, its not like Starcraft or anything where telepathic/psychic/psionic does canonically exist in that universe
But yes, fighting among themselves would be utterly pointless. They have zero reason to fight each other and just wastes resources. They're not like animals with some in-fighting complex. If 2 hives did happen to encounter each other, more than likely they would join forces to make a superhive with multiple queen for redundancy sake. Once again, these are intelligent bioweapons with reasoning skills and the ability to calculate risk/reward, not just angry animals. However different species fighting, i.e. protomorphs vs xenomorphs or neomorphs vs xenomorphs, is likely, since all the various 'morphs are unnatural abominations and all feel as if their species is the apex predator, and are all designed to kill everything that is not them.
And yes, no xenomorph, protomorph, neomorph, etc synthetics will be added as a) we won't add individuals and noncanon
I swear that something I read said something like that, oh well. I guess I'll use the Mass Effect explanation for a Hivemind in the Rachni for my head canon. (Basically, each Xenomorph's brain is quantum entangled with the Queen's brain. Allows pretty much instant communication throughout the planet.)
I thought as much. I found a Synthetic Xenomorph strange but interesting.
I swear that something I read said something like that, oh well. I guess I'll use the Mass Effect explanation for a Hivemind in the Rachni for my head canon. (Basically, each Xenomorph's brain is quantum entangled with the Queen's brain. Allows pretty much instant communication throughout the planet.)
I thought as much. I found a Synthetic Xenomorph strange but interesting.
Xenomorph "telepathy" is really only addressed in comics and a few noncanon games, so that's probably where they got the idea from. And I always saw it less as a "singular brain controls them all/all can communicate though mind language" and more like an "incredibly loyal wolf pack" in hives, so probably the queen would order its underlings with various sounds, not all of which humans can hear. I also think that xenomorphs produced by a queen are intentionally dumbed down by the queen, to make them easier to control, like compare the assassin-like Big Chap and the Isolation aliens to the essentially suicidal warriors. So eggmorphing/the methods in Prometheus/Covenant=an actually smart organism, egg layed by a queen=dumbed down cannon fodder alien, so think of it like quality vs quantity.
"Quantum entangled" also sounds like a really jargon way of saying "telepathy" as well, and probably a "quantum entangled" mind would also be impossible to create in a biological life form, natural or artificial. Once again it seems like something outside of the scopes of the Alien universe
Though like a "website hivemind" could work, which essentially means where something has such deep (not always good, mind you) feelings about it, it influences other people to think that way, even if they haven't ever meet/seen/experienced that thing (i.e. this show is very popular on this website, to the point newcomers read the comments on it and love the show too, even though they haven't seen the show itself)
It's because they're simply workers in the hive, their lives are meaningless. If it dies, a hundred more will take its place. And if the Queen wants something dead, then they'll jump in front of every gun they can until the job is done to make sure its done as soon as possible. I see nothing wrong with how the xenomorphs are depicted in Aliens.
And if you're wondering why the drone from Alien was so careful, that was because it was the only one around and needed to insure its own survival to carry on its species' legacy.
As for this xenomorphic in-fighting idea, I do like it and it does make sense on a biological level. Xenomorphs reproduce asexually, at least as far as we know, so the Queen and all her children are genetically identical. If another Queen is producing her own eggs, there's no reason why it should be allowed to continue to do so. Her children will be unrelated, and don't contribute to the first Queen's success, and just take resources away from the first Queen's children. To make sure her genes continue to survive, she should kill the other Queen.
I'll admit, its never really been shown canonically, but I think that's what would happen. Like others said, ants do the same thing. It would insure the strongest xenomorphs always prevail, again dealing with the "perfect organism", always fine-tuning itself.
That's pretty much where I was coming from. Any other brood would be competition. While they do exhibit signs of higher intelligence than most insects, I do wonder if that higher perception is due to the queen instead of the xeno's themselves. Does anything have any definitive information regarding their individual intelligence and how they communicate?
Regarding Ender-Dwarf3's rebuttal about them not jumping in front of a gun, we've seen them do exactly this. Consider Aliens 2 with the turrets? How many ran right down the barrel to exhaust it's ammunition? Consider Aliens 4 when in the cell, two turned on the third alien to kill it so it's blood would eat a hole in their cage. The life of the individual means little compared to their overall survival. While it could be considered a weakness for the species overall, if the queens are dominant as they perceive to be, then they wouldn't want to share that power (at least based on the behavior I've thus far seen). Does anyone have any references to canon material that depicts more than one queen active in any single area, and how they interact? Personally I'd think each queen would see any other queens as rivals and seek to kill them...
Any links or canon info that can help me understand the particulars would be appreciated. While I have some of the comics, most of my exposure has been the movies, so I could be missing something...
That's pretty much where I was coming from. Any other brood would be competition. While they do exhibit signs of higher intelligence than most insects, I do wonder if that higher perception is due to the queen instead of the xeno's themselves. Does anything have any definitive information regarding their individual intelligence and how they communicate?
Regarding Ender-Dwarf3's rebuttal about them not jumping in front of a gun, we've seen them do exactly this. Consider Aliens 2 with the turrets? How many ran right down the barrel to exhaust it's ammunition? Consider Aliens 4 when in the cell, two turned on the third alien to kill it so it's blood would eat a hole in their cage. The life of the individual means little compared to their overall survival. While it could be considered a weakness for the species overall, if the queens are dominant as they perceive to be, then they wouldn't want to share that power (at least based on the behavior I've thus far seen). Does anyone have any references to canon material that depicts more than one queen active in any single area, and how they interact? Personally I'd think each queen would see any other queens as rivals and seek to kill them...
Any links or canon info that can help me understand the particulars would be appreciated. While I have some of the comics, most of my exposure has been the movies, so I could be missing something...
From what it seems, xenomorphs without a queen are more intelligent on their own than ones with a queen. Once again take Aliens and the suicidal warriors, and AR with its self destructive individuals. Meanwhile compare it to Big Chap. Big Chap didn't have a queen, and it was much more intelligent that a warrior-taking time to think and stalk its prey, waiting to get them vulnerable and alone before it strikes. The same thing applies to the aliens from Isolation, since they slowly stalk and hunt, and do have a desire of self-preservation, since they run from fire, at least until they learn your flamethrower isn't strong enough to really hurt them (before you say "but there is a hive and you can hear queen!", the original idea was there wan't a queen and it was just eggmorphing, just the AI devs got tired of saying what eggmorphing is so they gave in and said "ok there is a queen you just don't fight it". Also I have ripped the sounds from the game, and not one file sounds anything like a queen)
Also the xenomorphs are not a natural animal and don't have a desire to "further the species" or "the hive is more important." They were designed as like a living version of mustard gas, designed to just kill the animal life on a planet, then die out on their own, so engineers or whatever can then have the planet for themselves. Eggmorphing is more like a last resort if a singular xenomorph feels its outmatched, but keep in mind how slow the process is, so theoretically an engineer or whatever could find the person being eggmorphed and then kill them before its done.
Given queens still stay canon (I'm starting to doubt they will), they would more like be an aberration, an unexpected variable that popped up, since xenomorphs are goo-derived as well, and the goo is very unpredictable itself, not as a "natural" stage of the species. Meaning queens are not needed for the xenomorph species as a whole and the species does not revolve around them, they're just mutants of mutants. Not to mention all the queens we've seen in the films are all descended from a single queen, and have not appeared outside of this one line.
From what it seems, xenomorphs without a queen are more intelligent on their own than ones with a queen. Once again take Aliens and the suicidal warriors, and AR with its self destructive individuals. Meanwhile compare it to Big Chap. Big Chap didn't have a queen, and it was much more intelligent that a warrior-taking time to think and stalk its prey, waiting to get them vulnerable and alone before it strikes. The same thing applies to the aliens from Isolation, since they slowly stalk and hunt, and do have a desire of self-preservation, since they run from fire, at least until they learn your flamethrower isn't strong enough to really hurt them (before you say "but there is a hive and you can hear queen!", the original idea was there wan't a queen and it was just eggmorphing, just the AI devs got tired of saying what eggmorphing is so they gave in and said "ok there is a queen you just don't fight it". Also I have ripped the sounds from the game, and not one file sounds anything like a queen)
Also the xenomorphs are not a natural animal and don't have a desire to "further the species" or "the hive is more important." They were designed as like a living version of mustard gas, designed to just kill the animal life on a planet, then die out on their own, so engineers or whatever can then have the planet for themselves. Eggmorphing is more like a last resort if a singular xenomorph feels its outmatched, but keep in mind how slow the process is, so theoretically an engineer or whatever could find the person being eggmorphed and then kill them before its done.
Given queens still stay canon (I'm starting to doubt they will), they would more like be an aberration, an unexpected variable that popped up, since xenomorphs are goo-derived as well, and the goo is very unpredictable itself, not as a "natural" stage of the species. Meaning queens are not needed for the xenomorph species as a whole and the species does not revolve around them, they're just mutants of mutants. Not to mention all the queens we've seen in the films are all descended from a single queen, and have not appeared outside of this one line.
A Queen in Isolation has been confirmed, the sound file doesn't matter. (use ctr F "Queen") http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/interview-alien-isolation-writers-will-porter-dion-lay/?page2
Eggmorphing is not confirmed, but is still possible as far as I know.
Also, I don't think its actually intelligence but with once a queen is established, the workers don't matter nearly as much because they can be replaced. It may also have to do with the individuals being drones.
A Queen in Isolation has been confirmed, the sound file doesn't matter. (use ctr F "Queen") http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/interview-alien-isolation-writers-will-porter-dion-lay/?page2
Eggmorphing is not confirmed, but is still possible as far as I know.
Also, I don't think its actually intelligence but with once a queen is established, the workers don't matter nearly as much because they can be replaced. It may also have to do with the individuals being drones.
It still wasn't the original idea, check out these 2 videos
youtube.com/watch?v=stAjLYqeo-A
youtube.com/watch?v=Eb2A_pE_cDI
They said there was one alien and the game was based off the first film, not the later ideas with hoards of aliens coming at you. While they don't outright say "eggmorphing", its hinted at. They also said they don't want to retcon or remake the series, so it means that eggmorphing was used some at least (if they didn't do eggmorphing, they would be retconning something), if there was a queen (I highly doubt it and I hate the entire idea), more than likely it developed later, like after the initial aliens were made from eggmorphing, based on their intelligence and how they're not the "warrior" design. If anything, the whole hive and and multiple xenos near the end of the game were more like later additions. Also based on the time, queens haven't even been created yet, as all queens we've seen are all from the same line.
It still wasn't the original idea, check out these 2 videos
youtube.com/watch?v=stAjLYqeo-A
youtube.com/watch?v=Eb2A_pE_cDI
They said there was one alien and the game was based off the first film, not the later ideas with hoards of aliens coming at you. While they don't outright say "eggmorphing", its hinted at. They also said they don't want to retcon or remake the series, so it means that eggmorphing was used some at least (if they didn't do eggmorphing, they would be retconning something), if there was a queen (I highly doubt it and I hate the entire idea), more than likely it developed later, like after the initial aliens were made from eggmorphing, based on their intelligence and how they're not the "warrior" design. If anything, the whole hive and and multiple xenos near the end of the game were more like later additions. Also based on the time, queens haven't even been created yet, as all queens we've seen are all from the same line.
I understand that they didn't originally want to have a queen, but its part of the Isolation canon because that's what they went with. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying eggmorphing is canon because they originally wanted to have eggmorphing and they also wanted to not retcon anything?
I find this line of reasoning interesting, but a bit contrived. It could be said that they decided on this retcon-free game afterwards. Simply going by the final product, there is a queen during the events of Isolation and the events may or may not be canon with the movie canon, its purposefully never been confirmed one way or another. This is a fact, but I respect your reasoning even if I don't agree that's good enough to confirm it.
And what do you mean created yet? Physically created inuniverse or created creatively? Because for the latter, it should be noted that Isolation does seem to take aspects from at least Aliens, because the main character is first (and only?) mentioned in Aliens.
Unless, you mean created inuniverse? Because in that case, why not? The eggs that hatched the xenomorph in Isolation are the same eggs that are the source of the xenomorphs from Aliens, and obviously one developed into a queen. Both came from the same place and both can equally turn into queens, and both did by canon.
I'm pretty sure the events went something like; the first person who was impregnated gave birth to the individual who would become queen, and she layed eggs that would eventually turn into the drones seen. As you say, this probably isn't so because they're not warriors, but warriors mature from drones. The chestburster from Aliens, which was in an established hive, was born with a smooth dome, meaning it would have developed into a drone and probably a warrior afterwards.
I'm almost dead certain now the reason some xenomorphs are less careful ("less intelligent") is just by caste, drones are careful and stalk their prey, drones come in mass because they're stronger. I can't really find a counterexample, except Resurrection, but those obviously had genetic problems which could explain it.
I understand that they didn't originally want to have a queen, but its part of the Isolation canon because that's what they went with. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying eggmorphing is canon because they originally wanted to have eggmorphing and they also wanted to not retcon anything?
I find this line of reasoning interesting, but a bit contrived. It could be said that they decided on this retcon-free game afterwards. Simply going by the final product, there is a queen during the events of Isolation and the events may or may not be canon with the movie canon, its purposefully never been confirmed one way or another. This is a fact, but I respect your reasoning even if I don't agree that's good enough to confirm it.
And what do you mean created yet? Physically created inuniverse or created creatively? Because for the latter, it should be noted that Isolation does seem to take aspects from at least Aliens, because the main character is first (and only?) mentioned in Aliens.
Unless, you mean created inuniverse? Because in that case, why not? The eggs that hatched the xenomorph in Isolation are the same eggs that are the source of the xenomorphs from Aliens, and obviously one developed into a queen. Both came from the same place and both can equally turn into queens, and both did by canon.
I'm pretty sure the events went something like; the first person who was impregnated gave birth to the individual who would become queen, and she layed eggs that would eventually turn into the drones seen. As you say, this probably isn't so because they're not warriors, but warriors mature from drones. The chestburster from Aliens, which was in an established hive, was born with a smooth dome, meaning it would have developed into a drone and probably a warrior afterwards.
I'm almost dead certain now the reason some xenomorphs are less careful ("less intelligent") is just by caste, drones are careful and stalk their prey, drones come in mass because they're stronger. I can't really find a counterexample, except Resurrection, but those obviously had genetic problems which could explain it.
I mean physically created. Since the way queens are now doesn't conform with Covenant (film or novel, both say the eggs were created artificially, just they vary by who created the eggs), so the only way to keep queens in line with the new canon would be to blame queens on some form of goo-based mutation, not a natural development. Also, if you look at a queen, it does have a lot of traits in line with other goo mutations- larger size, unnatural proportions (huge head and chest, tiny stomach and hips), degeneration of certain features (arms and legs), addition of new, mostly vestigial features (mini-arms), unusual reproduction for the species (eggsac instead of eggmorphing). Also all queens we have seen (not speculated or hinted at, I mean actually 100% confirmed on screen) in canon are all derived from the singular individual that was on Hadley's Hope-the immature queen in A3 was from the same brood, and the queen in AR was cloned from the A3 immature queen. Hell, the queen in Fire and Stone more than likely descended from same line, since some xenomorphs arrived there on an evac ship from Hadley's Hope, and the queen was in the same evac ship. Also, who's to say the derelict didn't have some goo on-board, and when it crashed, some of the goo infected one of the eggs, causing it to eventually produce a mutant xenomorph, a larger individual nicknamed a "queen".
Also we know the xenomorphs have existed on Sevastopol a while now, and the station lacks appropriate weapons to kill them, so how come none have evolved into kamikaze-styled warriors? If anything, the initial xenomorph was still eggmorphing before it became a queen and developed the eggsac, which could be why the xenomorphs we see in Isolation are the more intelligent normal adults. So in a nutshell, xenomorph got on ship, xenomorph eggmorphed some poor fools, xenomorph later mutated into a queen, but the station was destroyed before the new queen had enough time to lay a lot of eggs.
Also I hate the term "drone." "Drone" brings to mind a weaker, passive, stupid individual who really has no large purpose. The domed-aliens (Big Chap, isolation aliens, etc) are just the normal adult, the typical matured form of the species, being intelligent, having self-preservation, and relying on stealth and ambush to kill prey, with domeless warriors only arising when its "parent" was also mutated (by parent I mean a queen, not the host in this case). Essentially I feel as if there are 2 strains of xenomorphs- "true aliens" such as Big Chap, the protomorph, the neomorph, etc as in xenomorphs/related species that don't have any "evolutions," don't create hives, etc, and are just meant to be a planet-wide version of DDT, agent orange, mustard gas, etc. they are there to clean off a planet of the "meat" then eventually die off themselves. They are not designed to take over a planet with hives since that would be utterly pointless from the view of the engineers. "Hivers" are a subspecies of xenomorph which arose from a singular mutation due to goo, creating a deformed xenomorph that layed eggs instead of eggmorphed, and the mutated traits carried on into some of its offspring, causing them to develop a secondary adult stage (warriors) and sometimes even a tertiary adult stage (queen) (not counting praetorians since they're not in the films and probably no longer canon now, WYR does't mention them).
I mean physically created. Since the way queens are now doesn't conform with Covenant (film or novel, both say the eggs were created artificially, just they vary by who created the eggs), so the only way to keep queens in line with the new canon would be to blame queens on some form of goo-based mutation, not a natural development. Also, if you look at a queen, it does have a lot of traits in line with other goo mutations- larger size, unnatural proportions (huge head and chest, tiny stomach and hips), degeneration of certain features (arms and legs), addition of new, mostly vestigial features (mini-arms), unusual reproduction for the species (eggsac instead of eggmorphing). Also all queens we have seen (not speculated or hinted at, I mean actually 100% confirmed on screen) in canon are all derived from the singular individual that was on Hadley's Hope-the immature queen in A3 was from the same brood, and the queen in AR was cloned from the A3 immature queen. Hell, the queen in Fire and Stone more than likely descended from same line, since some xenomorphs arrived there on an evac ship from Hadley's Hope, and the queen was in the same evac ship. Also, who's to say the derelict didn't have some goo on-board, and when it crashed, some of the goo infected one of the eggs, causing it to eventually produce a mutant xenomorph, a larger individual nicknamed a "queen".
Also we know the xenomorphs have existed on Sevastopol a while now, and the station lacks appropriate weapons to kill them, so how come none have evolved into kamikaze-styled warriors? If anything, the initial xenomorph was still eggmorphing before it became a queen and developed the eggsac, which could be why the xenomorphs we see in Isolation are the more intelligent normal adults. So in a nutshell, xenomorph got on ship, xenomorph eggmorphed some poor fools, xenomorph later mutated into a queen, but the station was destroyed before the new queen had enough time to lay a lot of eggs.
Also I hate the term "drone." "Drone" brings to mind a weaker, passive, stupid individual who really has no large purpose. The domed-aliens (Big Chap, isolation aliens, etc) are just the normal adult, the typical matured form of the species, being intelligent, having self-preservation, and relying on stealth and ambush to kill prey, with domeless warriors only arising when its "parent" was also mutated (by parent I mean a queen, not the host in this case). Essentially I feel as if there are 2 strains of xenomorphs- "true aliens" such as Big Chap, the protomorph, the neomorph, etc as in xenomorphs/related species that don't have any "evolutions," don't create hives, etc, and are just meant to be a planet-wide version of DDT, agent orange, mustard gas, etc. they are there to clean off a planet of the "meat" then eventually die off themselves. They are not designed to take over a planet with hives since that would be utterly pointless from the view of the engineers. "Hivers" are a subspecies of xenomorph which arose from a singular mutation due to goo, creating a deformed xenomorph that layed eggs instead of eggmorphed, and the mutated traits carried on into some of its offspring, causing them to develop a secondary adult stage (warriors) and sometimes even a tertiary adult stage (queen) (not counting praetorians since they're not in the films and probably no longer canon now, WYR does't mention them).
God I hate what Alien: Covenant has done for the Alien franchise. Yes, the first eggs were created artificially, because a chicken can't lay an egg if the chicken didn't hatch from an egg. I do think queens are "natural" (however natural xenomorphs are anymore) because they're oddly specific to simply be a mutation, especially considering other xenomorphs are smart enough not to kill them and listen to their commands. And you went from an animal that creates eggs from biological material to an animal that somehow lays eggs, two not very compatible ways of reproduction to develop naturally from one another.
The reason that there are still drones on Sevastopol is probably because the hive is very young, and the drones are still needed to find victims. It may be more than just simple maturing, only happening under certain circumstances that the queen wants.
I'm getting incredibly sick of your insistence warriors are stupider than drones, and that drones are some sort of master race. If drones are so smart, why do they dip in intelligence in warrior and then become very intelligent as a queen again? And remember than the warriors in Aliens were able to sneak up on the marines in a huge horde twice before attacking, and cut the power to the station. They just have different methods of attacking according to their role in the hive.
And if you think eggmorphing is canon, then xenomorphs should and would be able to make hives, ones that just lack queens. They would take their prey into their hives and attach them to the webbing, and they would turn into eggs, and then new live prey would be taken in so they can be impregnating. Either way, hives are created.
God I hate what Alien: Covenant has done for the Alien franchise. Yes, the first eggs were created artificially, because a chicken can't lay an egg if the chicken didn't hatch from an egg. I do think queens are "natural" (however natural xenomorphs are anymore) because they're oddly specific to simply be a mutation, especially considering other xenomorphs are smart enough not to kill them and listen to their commands. And you went from an animal that creates eggs from biological material to an animal that somehow lays eggs, two not very compatible ways of reproduction to develop naturally from one another.
The reason that there are still drones on Sevastopol is probably because the hive is very young, and the drones are still needed to find victims. It may be more than just simple maturing, only happening under certain circumstances that the queen wants.
I'm getting incredibly sick of your insistence warriors are stupider than drones, and that drones are some sort of master race. If drones are so smart, why do they dip in intelligence in warrior and then become very intelligent as a queen again? And remember than the warriors in Aliens were able to sneak up on the marines in a huge horde twice before attacking, and cut the power to the station. They just have different methods of attacking according to their role in the hive.
And if you think eggmorphing is canon, then xenomorphs should and would be able to make hives, ones that just lack queens. They would take their prey into their hives and attach them to the webbing, and they would turn into eggs, and then new live prey would be taken in so they can be impregnating. Either way, hives are created.
Agreed, we cannot prove either Praes or Queens are no longer canon until an addition to the WYR proves so. Also, as the goo is a surprisingly powerful mutagenic accelerant, who's to say it is a normal mutation caused by the xenomorph's genome being so unstable? Xenomorphs are kinda like the Alien universe's equivalent of an Eevee, the genetic code is so unstable, it can be radically altered by its environment in order to adapt, causing a whole new form to emerge, with similarities to its original form. Though, honestly Cameron should've taken our approach to the queen, by making it retain the DNA changes its previous stages have, such as the beast queen remaining quadrupedal and showing similar features to the Runner alien. Would've made much more sense than a totally independent form relating more to the human created drones.
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Though if that's the case, then maybe only tiny fetal bursters could be put in the pods, not already-born ones. And only the hugger embryos in eggs and spores from spore pods could be extracted and placed in a fetus pod. Would also give more functionality to the medpods too.
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Though the embryos could still slowly grow in the stasis tube, or in some kind of vat for growing them further (w/o evolving them out of chestburster stage, of course).
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Curse PremiumYou probably won't be able to inject the embryos into animals, but the fetus pods will be there more as a way to store/transport smaller, immature 'morphs. Probably each fetus pod would stack to 1, and still stack to 1 if it contains a creature, but still can't stack with other fetus pods containing the same mob, both for balance and so you would always have a free slot even after you release the contained 'morph. But I do like the idea of failure in which the contained creature dies, maybe after its been stored so long, it will auto-die, to prevent you from just being able to hoard them. Also it would be good if you could transfer the creature in the fetus pod into a cryotube, both for long-time storage (given you have enough power), or decoration.
Protovamorphs will only spawn on Paradise yes, and rarely in caves systems more than likely. Though since they don't have a queen and never will (don't even ask), you will probably be able to make protovamorph using some combination of goo, villagers, maybe engies, and spores, and later its very possible adult protomorphs will be able to eggmorph organic non-'morph life.
Though for natural spawning of protos, probably there will be a limit, were only xx can spawn in a radius of yyy, and the game will check this before spawning in any more
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When I mentioned xeno fighting xeno, I was referring to the brood of one queen fighting another. True, we haven't seen xenos fighting each other before, but there's only been one queen at a time up to this point. If you look at other hive-like species, the warriors of one hive tend to fight and kill the warriors of another as competition. I can see the Queens seeing another queen as competition in the same manner.
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Curse PremiumWhy would queens care about another queen? All queens do is sit around and pump out eggs, and these are xenos, not bees, ants, wolves, lions, etc. and as such, probably lack the "same-species rivalry" thing, since these are not merely aggressive animals. If anything, just queens will fight other queens, and "inherit" any xenos connected to the fell queen, instead of making the connected xenos do it. Queens need to get off their fat ovapositors and exercise themselves!
And like you said, no where in canon have we seen any queens encounter each other. If they were the perfect bioweapons they are made out to be, then they would join forces to rend to "meat" from the planet they're on together instead of just fight each other and waste resources..
Also having xenos that fight other xenos is too close to some noncanon things that will never happen (reds... K-series...).
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Hell, Xenos from two different hives could pincer a group of Marines.
I view Xenomorphs more like an army than a hive. Many many grunts with a General making plans and tactics.
With my Army comparison, would it make sense for two Generals on the same side to fight each other while fighting the enemy?
It's because they're simply workers in the hive, their lives are meaningless. If it dies, a hundred more will take its place. And if the Queen wants something dead, then they'll jump in front of every gun they can until the job is done to make sure its done as soon as possible. I see nothing wrong with how the xenomorphs are depicted in Aliens.
And if you're wondering why the drone from Alien was so careful, that was because it was the only one around and needed to insure its own survival to carry on its species' legacy.
As for this xenomorphic in-fighting idea, I do like it and it does make sense on a biological level. Xenomorphs reproduce asexually, at least as far as we know, so the Queen and all her children are genetically identical. If another Queen is producing her own eggs, there's no reason why it should be allowed to continue to do so. Her children will be unrelated, and don't contribute to the first Queen's success, and just take resources away from the first Queen's children. To make sure her genes continue to survive, she should kill the other Queen.
I'll admit, its never really been shown canonically, but I think that's what would happen. Like others said, ants do the same thing. It would insure the strongest xenomorphs always prevail, again dealing with the "perfect organism", always fine-tuning itself.
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That's the problem: no species with any inteligence like how it is shown to have in Alien and Aliens would purpously jump in front of a gun. And since Xenomorphs have some sort of telepathic abiliy, even as the ovamorph, the Xenomorph in Alien would have known that it wasn't the only one of its kind, because it would know of the eggs down on the planet the moment it burst from Kane's chest. Maybe while it was in Kane's chest as well.
The problem with the infighting is that it doesn't fine-tune the species, it creates a massive weakness to the species. Any Xenomorph lost fighting another hive would be a xenomorph that cannot defend the hive from, say, a group of Marines infultraiting the hive and blowing up the Queen.
I think that's basically what happened in one of he comics.
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Curse PremiumNo where was it said in canon xenomorphs have any form of telepathic, psychic, psionic, etc ability. They're not magical creatures and are just bioweapons with no abilities of that nature. They may be artificial in origin, but something like that is biologically impossible, especially since the Alien series is a bit more realistic as far as scifi goes, its not like Starcraft or anything where telepathic/psychic/psionic does canonically exist in that universe
But yes, fighting among themselves would be utterly pointless. They have zero reason to fight each other and just wastes resources. They're not like animals with some in-fighting complex. If 2 hives did happen to encounter each other, more than likely they would join forces to make a superhive with multiple queen for redundancy sake. Once again, these are intelligent bioweapons with reasoning skills and the ability to calculate risk/reward, not just angry animals. However different species fighting, i.e. protomorphs vs xenomorphs or neomorphs vs xenomorphs, is likely, since all the various 'morphs are unnatural abominations and all feel as if their species is the apex predator, and are all designed to kill everything that is not them.
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I swear that something I read said something like that, oh well. I guess I'll use the Mass Effect explanation for a Hivemind in the Rachni for my head canon. (Basically, each Xenomorph's brain is quantum entangled with the Queen's brain. Allows pretty much instant communication throughout the planet.)
I thought as much. I found a Synthetic Xenomorph strange but interesting.
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Curse PremiumXenomorph "telepathy" is really only addressed in comics and a few noncanon games, so that's probably where they got the idea from. And I always saw it less as a "singular brain controls them all/all can communicate though mind language" and more like an "incredibly loyal wolf pack" in hives, so probably the queen would order its underlings with various sounds, not all of which humans can hear. I also think that xenomorphs produced by a queen are intentionally dumbed down by the queen, to make them easier to control, like compare the assassin-like Big Chap and the Isolation aliens to the essentially suicidal warriors. So eggmorphing/the methods in Prometheus/Covenant=an actually smart organism, egg layed by a queen=dumbed down cannon fodder alien, so think of it like quality vs quantity.
"Quantum entangled" also sounds like a really jargon way of saying "telepathy" as well, and probably a "quantum entangled" mind would also be impossible to create in a biological life form, natural or artificial. Once again it seems like something outside of the scopes of the Alien universe
Though like a "website hivemind" could work, which essentially means where something has such deep (not always good, mind you) feelings about it, it influences other people to think that way, even if they haven't ever meet/seen/experienced that thing (i.e. this show is very popular on this website, to the point newcomers read the comments on it and love the show too, even though they haven't seen the show itself)
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That's pretty much where I was coming from. Any other brood would be competition. While they do exhibit signs of higher intelligence than most insects, I do wonder if that higher perception is due to the queen instead of the xeno's themselves. Does anything have any definitive information regarding their individual intelligence and how they communicate?
Regarding Ender-Dwarf3's rebuttal about them not jumping in front of a gun, we've seen them do exactly this. Consider Aliens 2 with the turrets? How many ran right down the barrel to exhaust it's ammunition? Consider Aliens 4 when in the cell, two turned on the third alien to kill it so it's blood would eat a hole in their cage. The life of the individual means little compared to their overall survival. While it could be considered a weakness for the species overall, if the queens are dominant as they perceive to be, then they wouldn't want to share that power (at least based on the behavior I've thus far seen). Does anyone have any references to canon material that depicts more than one queen active in any single area, and how they interact? Personally I'd think each queen would see any other queens as rivals and seek to kill them...
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Curse PremiumFrom what it seems, xenomorphs without a queen are more intelligent on their own than ones with a queen. Once again take Aliens and the suicidal warriors, and AR with its self destructive individuals. Meanwhile compare it to Big Chap. Big Chap didn't have a queen, and it was much more intelligent that a warrior-taking time to think and stalk its prey, waiting to get them vulnerable and alone before it strikes. The same thing applies to the aliens from Isolation, since they slowly stalk and hunt, and do have a desire of self-preservation, since they run from fire, at least until they learn your flamethrower isn't strong enough to really hurt them (before you say "but there is a hive and you can hear queen!", the original idea was there wan't a queen and it was just eggmorphing, just the AI devs got tired of saying what eggmorphing is so they gave in and said "ok there is a queen you just don't fight it". Also I have ripped the sounds from the game, and not one file sounds anything like a queen)
Also the xenomorphs are not a natural animal and don't have a desire to "further the species" or "the hive is more important." They were designed as like a living version of mustard gas, designed to just kill the animal life on a planet, then die out on their own, so engineers or whatever can then have the planet for themselves. Eggmorphing is more like a last resort if a singular xenomorph feels its outmatched, but keep in mind how slow the process is, so theoretically an engineer or whatever could find the person being eggmorphed and then kill them before its done.
Given queens still stay canon (I'm starting to doubt they will), they would more like be an aberration, an unexpected variable that popped up, since xenomorphs are goo-derived as well, and the goo is very unpredictable itself, not as a "natural" stage of the species. Meaning queens are not needed for the xenomorph species as a whole and the species does not revolve around them, they're just mutants of mutants. Not to mention all the queens we've seen in the films are all descended from a single queen, and have not appeared outside of this one line.
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A Queen in Isolation has been confirmed, the sound file doesn't matter. (use ctr F "Queen")
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Eggmorphing is not confirmed, but is still possible as far as I know.
Also, I don't think its actually intelligence but with once a queen is established, the workers don't matter nearly as much because they can be replaced. It may also have to do with the individuals being drones.
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They said there was one alien and the game was based off the first film, not the later ideas with hoards of aliens coming at you. While they don't outright say "eggmorphing", its hinted at. They also said they don't want to retcon or remake the series, so it means that eggmorphing was used some at least (if they didn't do eggmorphing, they would be retconning something), if there was a queen (I highly doubt it and I hate the entire idea), more than likely it developed later, like after the initial aliens were made from eggmorphing, based on their intelligence and how they're not the "warrior" design. If anything, the whole hive and and multiple xenos near the end of the game were more like later additions. Also based on the time, queens haven't even been created yet, as all queens we've seen are all from the same line.
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I understand that they didn't originally want to have a queen, but its part of the Isolation canon because that's what they went with. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying eggmorphing is canon because they originally wanted to have eggmorphing and they also wanted to not retcon anything?
I find this line of reasoning interesting, but a bit contrived. It could be said that they decided on this retcon-free game afterwards. Simply going by the final product, there is a queen during the events of Isolation and the events may or may not be canon with the movie canon, its purposefully never been confirmed one way or another. This is a fact, but I respect your reasoning even if I don't agree that's good enough to confirm it.
And what do you mean created yet? Physically created inuniverse or created creatively? Because for the latter, it should be noted that Isolation does seem to take aspects from at least Aliens, because the main character is first (and only?) mentioned in Aliens.
Unless, you mean created inuniverse? Because in that case, why not? The eggs that hatched the xenomorph in Isolation are the same eggs that are the source of the xenomorphs from Aliens, and obviously one developed into a queen. Both came from the same place and both can equally turn into queens, and both did by canon.
I'm pretty sure the events went something like; the first person who was impregnated gave birth to the individual who would become queen, and she layed eggs that would eventually turn into the drones seen. As you say, this probably isn't so because they're not warriors, but warriors mature from drones. The chestburster from Aliens, which was in an established hive, was born with a smooth dome, meaning it would have developed into a drone and probably a warrior afterwards.
I'm almost dead certain now the reason some xenomorphs are less careful ("less intelligent") is just by caste, drones are careful and stalk their prey, drones come in mass because they're stronger. I can't really find a counterexample, except Resurrection, but those obviously had genetic problems which could explain it.
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Curse PremiumI mean physically created. Since the way queens are now doesn't conform with Covenant (film or novel, both say the eggs were created artificially, just they vary by who created the eggs), so the only way to keep queens in line with the new canon would be to blame queens on some form of goo-based mutation, not a natural development. Also, if you look at a queen, it does have a lot of traits in line with other goo mutations- larger size, unnatural proportions (huge head and chest, tiny stomach and hips), degeneration of certain features (arms and legs), addition of new, mostly vestigial features (mini-arms), unusual reproduction for the species (eggsac instead of eggmorphing). Also all queens we have seen (not speculated or hinted at, I mean actually 100% confirmed on screen) in canon are all derived from the singular individual that was on Hadley's Hope-the immature queen in A3 was from the same brood, and the queen in AR was cloned from the A3 immature queen. Hell, the queen in Fire and Stone more than likely descended from same line, since some xenomorphs arrived there on an evac ship from Hadley's Hope, and the queen was in the same evac ship. Also, who's to say the derelict didn't have some goo on-board, and when it crashed, some of the goo infected one of the eggs, causing it to eventually produce a mutant xenomorph, a larger individual nicknamed a "queen".
Also we know the xenomorphs have existed on Sevastopol a while now, and the station lacks appropriate weapons to kill them, so how come none have evolved into kamikaze-styled warriors? If anything, the initial xenomorph was still eggmorphing before it became a queen and developed the eggsac, which could be why the xenomorphs we see in Isolation are the more intelligent normal adults. So in a nutshell, xenomorph got on ship, xenomorph eggmorphed some poor fools, xenomorph later mutated into a queen, but the station was destroyed before the new queen had enough time to lay a lot of eggs.
Also I hate the term "drone." "Drone" brings to mind a weaker, passive, stupid individual who really has no large purpose. The domed-aliens (Big Chap, isolation aliens, etc) are just the normal adult, the typical matured form of the species, being intelligent, having self-preservation, and relying on stealth and ambush to kill prey, with domeless warriors only arising when its "parent" was also mutated (by parent I mean a queen, not the host in this case). Essentially I feel as if there are 2 strains of xenomorphs- "true aliens" such as Big Chap, the protomorph, the neomorph, etc as in xenomorphs/related species that don't have any "evolutions," don't create hives, etc, and are just meant to be a planet-wide version of DDT, agent orange, mustard gas, etc. they are there to clean off a planet of the "meat" then eventually die off themselves. They are not designed to take over a planet with hives since that would be utterly pointless from the view of the engineers. "Hivers" are a subspecies of xenomorph which arose from a singular mutation due to goo, creating a deformed xenomorph that layed eggs instead of eggmorphed, and the mutated traits carried on into some of its offspring, causing them to develop a secondary adult stage (warriors) and sometimes even a tertiary adult stage (queen) (not counting praetorians since they're not in the films and probably no longer canon now, WYR does't mention them).
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God I hate what Alien: Covenant has done for the Alien franchise. Yes, the first eggs were created artificially, because a chicken can't lay an egg if the chicken didn't hatch from an egg. I do think queens are "natural" (however natural xenomorphs are anymore) because they're oddly specific to simply be a mutation, especially considering other xenomorphs are smart enough not to kill them and listen to their commands. And you went from an animal that creates eggs from biological material to an animal that somehow lays eggs, two not very compatible ways of reproduction to develop naturally from one another.
The reason that there are still drones on Sevastopol is probably because the hive is very young, and the drones are still needed to find victims. It may be more than just simple maturing, only happening under certain circumstances that the queen wants.
I'm getting incredibly sick of your insistence warriors are stupider than drones, and that drones are some sort of master race. If drones are so smart, why do they dip in intelligence in warrior and then become very intelligent as a queen again? And remember than the warriors in Aliens were able to sneak up on the marines in a huge horde twice before attacking, and cut the power to the station. They just have different methods of attacking according to their role in the hive.
And if you think eggmorphing is canon, then xenomorphs should and would be able to make hives, ones that just lack queens. They would take their prey into their hives and attach them to the webbing, and they would turn into eggs, and then new live prey would be taken in so they can be impregnating. Either way, hives are created.
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Agreed, we cannot prove either Praes or Queens are no longer canon until an addition to the WYR proves so. Also, as the goo is a surprisingly powerful mutagenic accelerant, who's to say it is a normal mutation caused by the xenomorph's genome being so unstable? Xenomorphs are kinda like the Alien universe's equivalent of an Eevee, the genetic code is so unstable, it can be radically altered by its environment in order to adapt, causing a whole new form to emerge, with similarities to its original form. Though, honestly Cameron should've taken our approach to the queen, by making it retain the DNA changes its previous stages have, such as the beast queen remaining quadrupedal and showing similar features to the Runner alien. Would've made much more sense than a totally independent form relating more to the human created drones.
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