I wonder how many people in this thread actually pay for their music.
I certainly do. I have spent a lifetime depending upon copyright working to earn an income and I do that professionally. That is how I feed my kids and put a roof over my head. I admit I'm not doing that with mods, but I have done that in other areas and plan to do more of that in the future.
Yes, the concept of modding Minecraft is in a grey area, but it would be incredibly hard for Mojang to go after the modding community unless they made a formal public announcement officially insisting the mod community would shut down (including going after Curse to shut down all of the mod forums). Presumably if Mojang sold out to Electronic Arts or one of the other big name game publishers, they might change the terms of service and insist upon modders going away, but I just don't see that happening any time soon if ever. Besides, the fact Mojang is talking about a mod API system would by itself be enough to protect just about all modders if Mojang suddenly got a brain fart and decided to send out a bunch of lawsuits to modders of the game.
The important thing is that if you want to have a copyright mean anything, you do need to take active steps to enforce it. Failure to enforce copyright when you know it is happening can result in your content essentially entering into the public domain. That varies from country to country, but it is something that you can't dismiss either. Even if you are making a "derivative work" (which very much fits the definition of a game mod), the "original contributions" you made in that mod are still yours.
In fact, with the current system in place somebody could create a mod and keep Mojang from adding a similar feature into the main Minecraft game. If anything, the legal agreements that it sounds like Notch would like to see put into the "mod developer agreement" would give Mojang first option at incorporating the mod into the game. That is in the future, but my point is that copyright is a big deal, and for those who so casually dismiss copyright even on lame mods like something which crafts a stack of 64 diamonds out of a block of dirt really don't understand the role of copyright laws or the fact that it is important to at least give credit to those who have put the effort into making something of that nature.
I'm glad this topic has been raised, and sites of that nature should be fought against and even shut down or convince them to only index to the forum threads or wherever the mod developer wants the links. Doing stuff like the list of mods on the Minecraft wiki is very much appropriate and should be encouraged, although mod developers should at least check out what the page about their mod says and where the links go. Troll sites should be shut down by active participation of the community of mod developers to make sure they can't succeed. Some will persist, but they won't be all that popular either so it really doesn't matter.
wait. Modloader.com is bad? I always google the name of the mod I seek because it's so packed on here it's hard
to find the mods I'm seeking. Usually googling the name brings up a few sites with modloader.com
being at the top - but I always figured it was the actual creators
of the mods putting them elsewhere for ease of finding them. :/
ps. formatting for this quick reply is bad. It keeps typing without word wrap so I had to put in my own returns just to see what
I was typing....
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here's one i just found via a youtube video: http://minecraftmodification.com/
the guy makes people fill out surveys to download mods. Buildcraft, Millenaire and many others are on the site.
The guys youtube account: http://www.youtube.com/user/MinecraftModding12
He has his videos set so he has to approve comments on them, so no negative comments about his site will get posted.
Whoa thx for the post of info i was just about to post a mod when i saw this that ain't cool man worse is if someone actually gets copyright issues from u by hacking then ur mod is toast basically the point is watch where ur mod is linked and make sure u add a password just for security
there is an issue though if u make a mod but find out ur same idea was taken after posting the mod u could get actually on the wrong side of law if u post an adf.ly or adcraft link so i recommend check if a mod is created before makin one
If you're willing to fight an expensive and protracted legal battle which can cost over $350 an hour in legal fees then sure... 'simple'. Assuming that someone steals your work you still need to prove in court that you are the original creator of the work and not them which unless you have registered your trademark with the government is not an easy thing to do from a legal standpoint. Even sending someone a cease and desist letter is going to cost you at best $150-300 in legal fees. At the end of the day what it comes down to is can you be bothered wasting obscene amounts of time and money to assert ownership of something which is non-commercial anyway. The smart answer is no.
Quoting HussarlTW from the Total War Center Forums (He's a huge modder there), maybe he'll inspire some of you Minecraft modders to change your views and stop being so darn greedy.
"As I've proudly stated, I've never denied my help to anybody that asked for it and community has generously recognised that. Almost all modders use some of my work because I have worked on a vital element of the game. Some use my work even without asking for permission. But all of them feel something about it by mentioning that.
I believe that modding is -by its nature- an "open source", and modding work must be free for every body to use it as far as it is credited properly (btw, how you should had made your mod without PFM, EsfEditor, etc.?)."
Now a different one a post later.
"I never said anything personal to anybody of you, I am a modder and I always respect the other modders, because modding is above all, free spirit!"
Completely different from the modders here. And honestly, I've lost respect for most if not all big modders of Minecraft because of stuff like that.
He also doesn't mind if you don't ask for permission to integrate some of his stuff, just as long as credit is given fully for anything that isn't yours. If you don't he'll ask you to change it, simple as that. Not a trademark anywhere from him. Just generosity.
But the entire debacle here on MC Forums is that modders want money for thier mods. Thus some people got the idea that hey "What if I impersonate the original modder on another website and make some of that money too!".
From my perspective, you MC Modders brought this on to yourselves. You wanted money for your work, other people wanted to cash in. Simple as that.
Most modders should have a copyright up. Most people will hand over the money they earned from adfly if you bring up the thought of suing. If they don't then say that you will contact the local court and set up a date which they will be forced to come to or be jailed. At least if they are in America. Any 10 year old by now would have stepped out
wow thats horrible id be pissed if someone was ripping you off by making money from your mod Im still making mine but id be damned if I saw others thinking that this mod belongs to him/her if only my friend had internet up he would try to hack em but thats horrible
Quoting HussarlTW from the Total War Center Forums (He's a huge modder there), maybe he'll inspire some of you Minecraft modders to change your views and stop being so darn greedy.
"As I've proudly stated, I've never denied my help to anybody that asked for it and community has generously recognised that. Almost all modders use some of my work because I have worked on a vital element of the game. Some use my work even without asking for permission. But all of them feel something about it by mentioning that.
I believe that modding is -by its nature- an "open source", and modding work must be free for every body to use it as far as it is credited properly (btw, how you should had made your mod without PFM, EsfEditor, etc.?)."
Now a different one a post later.
"I never said anything personal to anybody of you, I am a modder and I always respect the other modders, because modding is above all, free spirit!"
Completely different from the modders here. And honestly, I've lost respect for most if not all big modders of Minecraft because of stuff like that.
He also doesn't mind if you don't ask for permission to integrate some of his stuff, just as long as credit is given fully for anything that isn't yours. If you don't he'll ask you to change it, simple as that. Not a trademark anywhere from him. Just generosity.
But the entire debacle here on MC Forums is that modders want money for thier mods. Thus some people got the idea that hey "What if I impersonate the original modder on another website and make some of that money too!".
From my perspective, you MC Modders brought this on to yourselves. You wanted money for your work, other people wanted to cash in. Simple as that.
This is how I imagined modding before I got Minecraft and got on the forums.
Try going to minecraftmine.org I think they also use adfly on your stuff went there a few times they have almost all these mods on the forums but im not sure if they can be taken down
They way I'm going to post for my mod is, I'll let them upload it on their site IF they get a written consent from me and UNLESS they won't use their own ad.fly links and purpously hack it to do harm to other people. If they do use ad.fly links, I'll put my boot in their faces... In court! And I played Phoenix Wright so I know how a court system works ;P OBJECTION! TAKE THAT! Damn I've always wanted to do that.
I certainly do. I have spent a lifetime depending upon copyright working to earn an income and I do that professionally. That is how I feed my kids and put a roof over my head. I admit I'm not doing that with mods, but I have done that in other areas and plan to do more of that in the future.
Yes, the concept of modding Minecraft is in a grey area, but it would be incredibly hard for Mojang to go after the modding community unless they made a formal public announcement officially insisting the mod community would shut down (including going after Curse to shut down all of the mod forums). Presumably if Mojang sold out to Electronic Arts or one of the other big name game publishers, they might change the terms of service and insist upon modders going away, but I just don't see that happening any time soon if ever. Besides, the fact Mojang is talking about a mod API system would by itself be enough to protect just about all modders if Mojang suddenly got a brain fart and decided to send out a bunch of lawsuits to modders of the game.
The important thing is that if you want to have a copyright mean anything, you do need to take active steps to enforce it. Failure to enforce copyright when you know it is happening can result in your content essentially entering into the public domain. That varies from country to country, but it is something that you can't dismiss either. Even if you are making a "derivative work" (which very much fits the definition of a game mod), the "original contributions" you made in that mod are still yours.
In fact, with the current system in place somebody could create a mod and keep Mojang from adding a similar feature into the main Minecraft game. If anything, the legal agreements that it sounds like Notch would like to see put into the "mod developer agreement" would give Mojang first option at incorporating the mod into the game. That is in the future, but my point is that copyright is a big deal, and for those who so casually dismiss copyright even on lame mods like something which crafts a stack of 64 diamonds out of a block of dirt really don't understand the role of copyright laws or the fact that it is important to at least give credit to those who have put the effort into making something of that nature.
I'm glad this topic has been raised, and sites of that nature should be fought against and even shut down or convince them to only index to the forum threads or wherever the mod developer wants the links. Doing stuff like the list of mods on the Minecraft wiki is very much appropriate and should be encouraged, although mod developers should at least check out what the page about their mod says and where the links go. Troll sites should be shut down by active participation of the community of mod developers to make sure they can't succeed. Some will persist, but they won't be all that popular either so it really doesn't matter.
Version 2.1 now updated for MC 1.6.2
to find the mods I'm seeking. Usually googling the name brings up a few sites with modloader.com
being at the top - but I always figured it was the actual creators
of the mods putting them elsewhere for ease of finding them. :/
ps. formatting for this quick reply is bad. It keeps typing without word wrap so I had to put in my own returns just to see what
I was typing....
2012 Laptop I'm NOT mining from: Asus Republic of Gamers G60V - 4gb RAM - Nvidia GEForce GTX 260M - Windows 7 64 bit, 2.13 ghz processor, dual core.
the guy makes people fill out surveys to download mods. Buildcraft, Millenaire and many others are on the site.
Whois info on the domain if any mod owners are interested: http://www.whois.net/whois/minecraftmodification.com
The guys youtube account: http://www.youtube.com/user/MinecraftModding12
He has his videos set so he has to approve comments on them, so no negative comments about his site will get posted.
If you're willing to fight an expensive and protracted legal battle which can cost over $350 an hour in legal fees then sure... 'simple'. Assuming that someone steals your work you still need to prove in court that you are the original creator of the work and not them which unless you have registered your trademark with the government is not an easy thing to do from a legal standpoint. Even sending someone a cease and desist letter is going to cost you at best $150-300 in legal fees. At the end of the day what it comes down to is can you be bothered wasting obscene amounts of time and money to assert ownership of something which is non-commercial anyway. The smart answer is no.
"As I've proudly stated, I've never denied my help to anybody that asked for it and community has generously recognised that. Almost all modders use some of my work because I have worked on a vital element of the game. Some use my work even without asking for permission. But all of them feel something about it by mentioning that.
I believe that modding is -by its nature- an "open source", and modding work must be free for every body to use it as far as it is credited properly (btw, how you should had made your mod without PFM, EsfEditor, etc.?)."
Now a different one a post later.
"I never said anything personal to anybody of you, I am a modder and I always respect the other modders, because modding is above all, free spirit!"
Completely different from the modders here. And honestly, I've lost respect for most if not all big modders of Minecraft because of stuff like that.
He also doesn't mind if you don't ask for permission to integrate some of his stuff, just as long as credit is given fully for anything that isn't yours. If you don't he'll ask you to change it, simple as that. Not a trademark anywhere from him. Just generosity.
But the entire debacle here on MC Forums is that modders want money for thier mods. Thus some people got the idea that hey "What if I impersonate the original modder on another website and make some of that money too!".
From my perspective, you MC Modders brought this on to yourselves. You wanted money for your work, other people wanted to cash in. Simple as that.
This is how I imagined modding before I got Minecraft and got on the forums.
Developer, gamer, and a mediocre pixel artist.
You should really check out Dokucraft: TSC.