but in SMP the chunks are loaded all the time and the server is (presumably) on 24/7. You start a world, and the next day it is obsolete and you are Gods.
I never said THIS was OP, lol
two words: Chunk loader. aka: it's *horribly* broken on servers as one just sets up one collector and one condenser and bam, creative mode given the server runs all the time.
besides, i never mentioned anything about SMP did I?
besides, chunks being loaded all the time on a server is totally new to me... (mostly cus the servers i play on doesnt have this *bug*)
and if this bug makes it OP, isnt it the bug and not the device, lol
besides I was saying i didnt find it OP because i cant possibly take in mind bugs and chunks always being loaded and so on
and as ive stated earlier, im not complaining on the mod or the fact this stuff is gone, im complaining about the people complaining this stuff was OP without SMP in mind as i find tekkit quite boring.
oh and btw, about this *bug*, how come ive never experienced it ever when im playing tekkit with my friends on our server?
Think about it, ppl say something is OP, you say its not regardless where, the other ppl says its OP cus of a bug in SMP, you say you didnt take it in mind because you never experience that bug even when ur playing on a server urself.
and besides..(again again) to answer ur question
No, i dont find that OP, i dont find the device itself OP which is what i were talking about, i didnt talk about any side factors like servers, bugs, light giving methods, i talked about the device itself
A device with the price of 102 glowstone 17 furnaces 198 diamonds 35 obsidian 22 glass that makes diamonds every 5th min isnt OP, but all side factors makes an exception, as long as you keep adding those factiors, the outcome is different, someone who has it next to glowstone and in sunlight will have different opinions, someone with the bug and without bug will have different opinions, anyone on a server where the chunks doesnt unload so it keeps generating and not will have different opinions about OP'ness and not, but i only talked about the device itself alone without any side factors.
so based on what i know of the device which involves no bug with chunk loading, i cant find it OP but ofc, all side factors makes an exception, always.
Just wanted to say, I love the progress EE3 has made.
I don't really care that condensers were removed, more fun without them in my opinion, and I am looking forward to seeing how the redwater and other new mechanics work!
Thank you for posting this pre-release, already think that it is awesome!
besides, i never mentioned anything about SMP did I?
besides, chunks being loaded all the time on a server is totally new to me... (mostly cus the servers i play on doesnt have this *bug*)
and if this bug makes it OP, isnt it the bug and not the device, lol
besides I was saying i didnt find it OP because i cant possibly take in mind bugs and chunks always being loaded and so on
and as ive stated earlier, im not complaining on the mod or the fact this stuff is gone, im complaining about the people complaining this stuff was OP without SMP in mind as i find tekkit quite boring.
oh and btw, about this *bug*, how come ive never experienced it ever when im playing tekkit with my friends on our server?
Think about it, ppl say something is OP, you say its not regardless where, the other ppl says its OP cus of a bug in SMP, you say you didnt take it in mind because you never experience that bug even when ur playing on a server urself.
Not a bug, it's a feature. Do you host your own server? Do you leave it on all night, or shut it down when you're done with it for the day? For those that purchase server space and setups, they're running all the time, which essentially means always on game play. His whole purpose for this rewrite appears to be in getting it balanced enough that it will be used more in SMP environments. In a way SMP is now taking priority over SSP, which appears to be the opposite direction than what EE2 was aimed at.
Enjoy your vacation, Pahimar! *runs to dl the bugfix version*
battle00333, because of the merge of SSP into SMP, all mods have to be written with SMP in mind now. Perhaps you didn't know that. Besides that, Pahimar wants this to be used for SMP. So even if you can argue that EE2 wasn't OP for SSP, the argument becomes moot, because for 1.3.2 and beyond SMP has to be taken into account.
I didn't mind all the condensers and stuff in SSP when I was using it in 1.2.5, but I can see how servers would have an issue for SMP. It honestly doesn't bother me that Pahimar is taking them out because I'm pretty excited about what he might put in instead.
i do admit, the condensers did make things easier, and therefore, less fun. I will hold my tongue until this is done, and i see the finished product
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Chunk loaders in and of themselves have been banned from certain servers, something which has not been mentioned in the previous discussion. That being said the only people who has any true right to complain about Equivalent Exchange 2 being OP are the creators. Anyways, I look forward to the full release, and I am quite enjoying the previews Pahimar.
Red Matter has been removed
Collectors have been removed
Condensers have been removed...... But why?? It was one of the funner/easier parts of EE, too bad. I'm still looking forwards to EE3!
Red Matter has been removed
Collectors have been removed
Condensers have been removed...... But why?? It was one of the funner/easier parts of EE, too bad. I'm still looking forwards to EE3!
They may have been removed bacause of a bug of some sort.
Red Matter has been removed
Collectors have been removed
Condensers have been removed...... But why?? It was one of the funner/easier parts of EE, too bad. I'm still looking forwards to EE3!
Not a bug, it's a feature. Do you host your own server? Do you leave it on all night, or shut it down when you're done with it for the day? For those that purchase server space and setups, they're running all the time, which essentially means always on game play. His whole purpose for this rewrite appears to be in getting it balanced enough that it will be used more in SMP environments. In a way SMP is now taking priority over SSP, which appears to be the opposite direction than what EE2 was aimed at.
Enjoy your vacation, Pahimar! *runs to dl the bugfix version*
battle00333, because of the merge of SSP into SMP, all mods have to be written with SMP in mind now. Perhaps you didn't know that. Besides that, Pahimar wants this to be used for SMP. So even if you can argue that EE2 wasn't OP for SSP, the argument becomes moot, because for 1.3.2 and beyond SMP has to be taken into account.
I didn't mind all the condensers and stuff in SSP when I was using it in 1.2.5, but I can see how servers would have an issue for SMP. It honestly doesn't bother me that Pahimar is taking them out because I'm pretty excited about what he might put in instead.
And as i said... again, i never took SMP or any features or anything side factors in mind, i only talked about the device itself
Chunk loaders in and of themselves have been banned from certain servers, something which has not been mentioned in the previous discussion. That being said the only people who has any true right to complain about Equivalent Exchange 2 being OP are the creators.
Lol, well good for me then, cus im not complaining at it being OP, im complaining at the people complaining at it being OP,
Do you host your own server? Do you leave it on all night, or shut it down when you're done with it for the day?
Im playing on a friends server, and ive even tested if that feature is even there which it isnt, and i do know so because i tried letting the device run without being online or being anywhere near it at all for 1 hour, and once i came back it was the same quantity of diamonds in it as 1 hour earlier
I have no problem with looking at an ad to download your excellent work, and I truly appreciate you making your prereleases available to us, and it's just fine with me that you make a little bit of money on your hard work, but Adfly has taken a turn for the worse. I tried to download pre1a, and Adfly would not continue untill if verified an E-mail address and a cell number from me.
It claimed that these surveys were spam free. I believe that like I believe a big green "Download Now" button.
Seriously, they can't have my Email address, and no way in hell are they getting my cell number. Is there another way to download your files?
If not, I'm sorry to have bothered you with this, but I did feel you might want to know about this.
I have no problem with looking at an ad to download your excellent work, and I truly appreciate you making your prereleases available to us, and it's just fine with me that you make a little bit of money on your hard work, but Adfly has taken a turn for the worse. I tried to download pre1a, and Adfly would not continue untill if verified an E-mail address and a cell number from me.
It claimed that these surveys were spam free. I believe that like I believe a big green "Download Now" button.
Seriously, they can't have my Email address, and no way in hell are they getting my cell number. Is there another way to download your files?
If not, I'm sorry to have bothered you with this, but I did feel you might want to know about this.
Look at the top right. It probably says something. Probably.
Unless it's just me and my point of view, but it's not condensors that made the game "easy" with EE2. Sure, they were/are very handy blocks (, but what made them "OP" was the "free" EMC systems, such as the Energy Collectors, Blaze Rod/Bonemeal abuse, Dark Rooms, "natural organic" resources and cobble generators that could be pumped into it at various rates/efficiency/reliability.
If the condensor is just used without any of the EMC generation systems, then it's not "OP" at all. Some simple tweaks to EMC values and the collectors would "kill" most of the EMC generation systems, and return dark/red matter to difficult and long materials to make.
I think in my single player game, my main "junk" condensor has produced at most 40 diamonds and I used it once to replicate dark matter for a flying ring, which really emptied my chests of resources. If I was playing it multiplayer, I would be in the same situation.
Unless it's just me and my point of view, but it's not condensors that made the game "easy" with EE2. Sure, they were/are very handy blocks (, but what made them "OP" was the "free" EMC systems, such as the Energy Collectors, Blaze Rod/Bonemeal abuse, Dark Rooms, "natural organic" resources and cobble generators that could be pumped into it at various rates/efficiency/reliability.
If the condensor is just used without any of the EMC generation systems, then it's not "OP" at all. Some simple tweaks to EMC values and the collectors would "kill" most of the EMC generation systems, and return dark/red matter to difficult and long materials to make.
I think in my single player game, my main "junk" condensor has produced at most 40 diamonds and I used it once to replicate dark matter for a flying ring, which really emptied my chests of resources. If I was playing it multiplayer, I would be in the same situation.
I totally agree with you here man, what is it that makes it so OP, the machine *device* wasnt OP in itself, But it was the way it was being used that made it OP you agree here?
Having abit of a problem. When i install ee3 and get everything setup i go into creative and nothing is there. Forge says the mod is loaded but no items appear even when i try to create them in survival. I do have a few other mods installed such as mo creatures, build craft, industrial craft, twilight forest, and Pams mods. If anyone knows the issues or the conflict please tell me. Thanks <3
I never said THIS was OP, lol
besides, i never mentioned anything about SMP did I?
besides, chunks being loaded all the time on a server is totally new to me... (mostly cus the servers i play on doesnt have this *bug*)
and if this bug makes it OP, isnt it the bug and not the device, lol
besides I was saying i didnt find it OP because i cant possibly take in mind bugs and chunks always being loaded and so on
and as ive stated earlier, im not complaining on the mod or the fact this stuff is gone, im complaining about the people complaining this stuff was OP without SMP in mind as i find tekkit quite boring.
oh and btw, about this *bug*, how come ive never experienced it ever when im playing tekkit with my friends on our server?
Think about it, ppl say something is OP, you say its not regardless where, the other ppl says its OP cus of a bug in SMP, you say you didnt take it in mind because you never experience that bug even when ur playing on a server urself.
and besides..(again again) to answer ur question
No, i dont find that OP, i dont find the device itself OP which is what i were talking about, i didnt talk about any side factors like servers, bugs, light giving methods, i talked about the device itself
A device with the price of 102 glowstone 17 furnaces 198 diamonds 35 obsidian 22 glass that makes diamonds every 5th min isnt OP, but all side factors makes an exception, as long as you keep adding those factiors, the outcome is different, someone who has it next to glowstone and in sunlight will have different opinions, someone with the bug and without bug will have different opinions, anyone on a server where the chunks doesnt unload so it keeps generating and not will have different opinions about OP'ness and not, but i only talked about the device itself alone without any side factors.
so based on what i know of the device which involves no bug with chunk loading, i cant find it OP
but ofc, all side factors makes an exception, always.
I don't really care that condensers were removed, more fun without them in my opinion, and I am looking forward to seeing how the redwater and other new mechanics work!
Thank you for posting this pre-release, already think that it is awesome!
Not a bug, it's a feature. Do you host your own server? Do you leave it on all night, or shut it down when you're done with it for the day? For those that purchase server space and setups, they're running all the time, which essentially means always on game play. His whole purpose for this rewrite appears to be in getting it balanced enough that it will be used more in SMP environments. In a way SMP is now taking priority over SSP, which appears to be the opposite direction than what EE2 was aimed at.
I'm out for a week for vacation, just posted a pre1a bugfix release. See you later with hopefully a pre2!
battle00333, because of the merge of SSP into SMP, all mods have to be written with SMP in mind now. Perhaps you didn't know that. Besides that, Pahimar wants this to be used for SMP. So even if you can argue that EE2 wasn't OP for SSP, the argument becomes moot, because for 1.3.2 and beyond SMP has to be taken into account.
I didn't mind all the condensers and stuff in SSP when I was using it in 1.2.5, but I can see how servers would have an issue for SMP. It honestly doesn't bother me that Pahimar is taking them out because I'm pretty excited about what he might put in instead.
I'm wondering that too. And what the calcinator does.
I made my own shader pack, by the way.
Collectors have been removed
Condensers have been removed...... But why?? It was one of the funner/easier parts of EE, too bad. I'm still looking forwards to EE3!
They may have been removed bacause of a bug of some sort.
Read the frickin' original post, guys >_>
I quoted it as a Bug, see
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And as i said... again, i never took SMP or any features or anything side factors in mind, i only talked about the device itself
Lol, well good for me then, cus im not complaining at it being OP, im complaining at the people complaining at it being OP,
Im playing on a friends server, and ive even tested if that feature is even there which it isnt, and i do know so because i tried letting the device run without being online or being anywhere near it at all for 1 hour, and once i came back it was the same quantity of diamonds in it as 1 hour earlier
It claimed that these surveys were spam free. I believe that like I believe a big green "Download Now" button.
Seriously, they can't have my Email address, and no way in hell are they getting my cell number. Is there another way to download your files?
If not, I'm sorry to have bothered you with this, but I did feel you might want to know about this.
"Wake up."
Look at the top right. It probably says something. Probably.
If the condensor is just used without any of the EMC generation systems, then it's not "OP" at all. Some simple tweaks to EMC values and the collectors would "kill" most of the EMC generation systems, and return dark/red matter to difficult and long materials to make.
I think in my single player game, my main "junk" condensor has produced at most 40 diamonds and I used it once to replicate dark matter for a flying ring, which really emptied my chests of resources. If I was playing it multiplayer, I would be in the same situation.
It did. It said it was waiting for me to finish the activity. There was no timer and no "skip ad" button.
"Wake up."
I totally agree with you here man, what is it that makes it so OP, the machine *device* wasnt OP in itself, But it was the way it was being used that made it OP you agree here?