Eh. As much as I hate to get into a technic argument, one must realize that Technic as we know it came about completely unintentionally. They published the pack as just a thing between friends, and then suddenly a whole bunch of people downloaded it. The modders, somewhat justifiably mind you, got ed at them for distributing without permission- for something they didn't actually mean to do. So it's understandable, if not justifiable, that they wouldn't be very keen on begging for permission.
Personally, I think the FTB modpack is going to obsolete Technic in the same way Forge obsoleted Rigusami's Modloader.
Eh. As much as I hate to get into a technic argument, one must realize that Technic as we know it came about completely unintentionally. They published the pack as just a thing between friends, and then suddenly a whole bunch of people downloaded it. The modders, somewhat justifiably mind you, got ed at them for distributing without permission- for something they didn't actually mean to do. So it's understandable, if not justifiable, that they wouldn't be very keen on begging for permission.
Personally, I think the FTB modpack is going to obsolete Technic in the same way Forge obsoleted Rigusami's Modloader.
Bellazbug: That too.
Unfortunately, that cannot be. Though forge obsoleted modloader, the noobs that make mods still support it. If you go to PMC, you won't see a single mod that noobs spent more than five minutes with a mod maker on. That being said, noobs support tekkit because the yogscast supports it. Since the yogscast is being payed to support tekkit, unfortunately it will never die.
Tekkit is poorly regarded now and FTB is the way to go but we must accept that it did help mods like Red Power to come out of obscurity and it's the main reason people know these mods now and they are so popular. But yes, I agree that Tekkit should close.
This post is to most of the people that posted on pages 1963 and 1964.(and some from 1962)
Please try and steer this back into being a thread about Red Power and not how Eloraam was wronged by the tekkit and technic teams. (though she was). If you want to talk about this, create a thread about it, just dont do it here because people come here for the mod, not for an argument about a mod pack. Thank you.
Unfortunately, that cannot be. Though forge obsoleted modloader, the noobs that make mods still support it. If you go to PMC, you won't see a single mod that noobs spent more than five minutes with a mod maker on. That being said, noobs support tekkit because the yogscast supports it. Since the yogscast is being payed to support tekkit, unfortunately it will never die.
Once FTB has their full packs out even Yogscast is switching over to FTB, at least that was what Slow announced during his stream a week or so ago when he described what the various packs will be and currently it seems only RP2 is holding up the full release of the rest of the mod packs.
You can tell how important RP2 has become to the community when everything from video series, server launches and mod packs are held up by one mod not being released.
Never heard of Yogcast before reading about it here in the news telling how idiots they were at Minecon or something and I heard about FTB by searching for a Tekkit update because not a single mod creator bothered to put news on their website at that time and it finally found that FTB was the new thing.
Tekkit is poorly regarded now and FTB is the way to go but we must accept that it did help mods like Red Power to come out of obscurity and it's the main reason people know these mods now and they are so popular. But yes, I agree that Tekkit should close.
I saw this comment and just had to say something.
The only reason I know about redpower and I'm sure its the main or only reason for most people, is because its the only mod that does red stone wireing right. It the only reason I'm still running 1.1 because I can't get it to work for 1.2.5 and it hasn't been updated again since then, not to mention "eloraam.com" gives a database error everytime I go to it.
Eh. As much as I hate to get into a technic argument, one must realize that Technic as we know it came about completely unintentionally. They published the pack as just a thing between friends, and then suddenly a whole bunch of people downloaded it. The modders, somewhat justifiably mind you, got ed at them for distributing without permission- for something they didn't actually mean to do.
All true.
So it's understandable, if not justifiable, that they wouldn't be very keen on begging for permission.
But this doesn't follow at all. If you make a colossal screw up like that, you start getting down and licking boots. You beg for forgiveness and cry for permission. You don't set up a profit turning venture and continue to go against the wishes of those you have wronged.
But this doesn't follow at all. If you make a colossal screw up like that, you start getting down and licking boots. You beg for forgiveness and cry for permission. You don't set up a profit turning venture and continue to go against the wishes of those you have wronged.
Two things:
The screwup was Yogscasts's, not the Technic crew's. Having a bunch of people screaming at you for something you didn't actually do does not put you in a frame of mind to beg for forgiveness.
Technic does not and has not ever generated a profit. On the other hand, FTB donations bought Slowpoke a vacation.
The screwup was Yogscasts's, not the Technic crew's. Having a bunch of people screaming at you for something you didn't actually do does not put you in a frame of mind to beg for forgiveness.
Technic does not and has not ever generated a profit. On the other hand, FTB donations bought Slowpoke a vacation.
The first point is true. The second point, not so much. FTB donations are little and far apart. They likely go into slowpoke's "penny jar" which he uses for the homeless and such(that's just an example, I suppose he could get a vacation, but that's incredibly unlikely. Unless his idea of a vacation is some horrible deserted island.)
If only RedPower had a news source that wasn't spread acrossed too many sources to keep track of or lost in thousands of pages of a thread... :/ It's rather disappointing that Eloraam stopped giving us a solid news feed so long ago. I think I've finally tired of trying and will just read through active dev blogs for indie games, since they actually like to inform people about relevant information. Besides, with Thaumcraft 3 out, RedPower really isn't the big dog on campus anymore in my opinion.
And just because I want to toss it out there, my two cents on the whole "Mod Pack" debate is this:
If you can't use mods without permission, and permission is only given to well established packs (because otherwise it tends to open to the public for pack usage) then how will any new packs ever come around? Honestly, Minecraft mods alone are useless. If you could only have a single mod, no one would care about using mods. Why shouldn't people be encouraged to get as many mods that they like into one pack and distribute it so others who share similar tastes can enjoy them?
No mod would be popular if people were not putting mods together. Not to mention, you are making a mod for someone else's game, don't act so entitled over something that can't even work on it's own. If you didn't want people to use it, why would you distribute it, and if you want people to use it, why should you care HOW they are using it, as long as the end-user is using it in the same way anyways?
If FTB is the only pack that ever uses popular mods, no other pack will ever be popular. I personally don't believe monopolies are moral, even more so when they are information monopolies. Information should be shared. There are much more proactive solutions then sitting around fretting about people using your mod in a pack, which is no different then them using it in a series of mods they found and installed manually except that it is easier for the end-user.
Oh well. FTB has donations. You don't have to make a big deal about it and spend 3 or so minutes writing stuff about it when you could be outdoors, getting fit, having a fun time. What are you waiting for?
If only RedPower had a news source that wasn't spread acrossed too many sources to keep track of or lost in thousands of pages of a thread... :/ It's rather disappointing that Eloraam stopped giving us a solid news feed so long ago. I think I've finally tired of trying and will just read through active dev blogs for indie games, since they actually like to inform people about relevant information. Besides, with Thaumcraft 3 out, RedPower really isn't the big dog on campus anymore in my opinion.
And just because I want to toss it out there, my two cents on the whole "Mod Pack" debate is this:
If you can't use mods without permission, and permission is only given to well established packs (because otherwise it tends to open to the public for pack usage) then how will any new packs ever come around? Honestly, Minecraft mods alone are useless. If you could only have a single mod, no one would care about using mods. Why shouldn't people be encouraged to get as many mods that they like into one pack and distribute it so others who share similar tastes can enjoy them?
No mod would be popular if people were not putting mods together. Not to mention, you are making a mod for someone else's game, don't act so entitled over something that can't even work on it's own. If you didn't want people to use it, why would you distribute it, and if you want people to use it, why should you care HOW they are using it, as long as the end-user is using it in the same way anyways?
If FTB is the only pack that ever uses popular mods, no other pack will ever be popular. I personally don't believe monopolies are moral, even more so when they are information monopolies. Information should be shared. There are much more proactive solutions then sitting around fretting about people using your mod in a pack, which is no different then them using it in a series of mods they found and installed manually except that it is easier for the end-user.
One's work, is one's work. No matter how every single mod uses as bedrock minecraft to build upon it, what is built on it is actually the modder's creation and in a way property. If it was not like, suddenly minecraft could take all these mods and make them part of its own, without asking the permission of the creators either. As long as someone has spend their own time and used their own knowledge for all these mods, he is also the one that can control how the mod is used. This has nothing to do about what is fair for the end user, since the end user is enjoying virtually for free, all these mods, and of course that means that you get what you pay for (I say virtually because some people consider ads a payment, which I find sad to be considered as payment).
As for people liking only FTB, I can assure you, you are very wrong. FTB is definitely not the best mod pack out there, but it is the best technology pack indeed. Some people though enjoy vanilla minecraft and thus mod packs that enhance the nature or add just some ores or new dimensions and such can very well be popular. Currently these people that make FTB, decided to team up and make their own special pack and make it the best, which is what they want and what they will get. I personally do not like modpacks only because they add things I might not want and since now making your own compilation is as easy as download the file and use MultiMC, I even more do not seem myself using any modpack. The ONLY reason I would ever use the FTB one would be to play the awesome FTB map/game, but thats about it.
Does anybody have a good tutorial on using RP Array (now merged w/ logic)? I've looked here, but it only has complex things. Currently all I know how to use are null cells. But then again, don't we all :P?
Well, they were shown in one of Direwolf's videos about the logic gates. You can look there. Or you can ask here. I will be glad to help you, if you specify what you need help with!
Holy god, this thread is getting new posts every 5 mins or so!
PS Reading all this stuff again something occurred to me. Maybe RP is not updating fast because Elo doesn't want illegal modpack (there's no 's' there for a reason) to get hold of it. If it is only released to FTB, Tekkit can just copy the RP files and distribute their still illegal updated pack.
If only RedPower had a news source that wasn't spread acrossed too many sources to keep track of or lost in thousands of pages of a thread... :/ It's rather disappointing that Eloraam stopped giving us a solid news feed so long ago. I think I've finally tired of trying and will just read through active dev blogs for indie games, since they actually like to inform people about relevant information. Besides, with Thaumcraft 3 out, RedPower really isn't the big dog on campus anymore in my opinion.
Redpower still has some things TC3 doesn't, like block breakers, and a way to sort items without having to build like 1m tick hogging minions. I don't like that fact that news is spread out either and i wish there was a simple way to get it all in one place too, but alas there is not. In the long run Eloraam is working on updating the mod (unless we're told otherwise) and that's that.
And just because I want to toss it out there, my two cents on the whole "Mod Pack" debate is this:
If you can't use mods without permission, and permission is only given to well established packs (because otherwise it tends to open to the public for pack usage) then how will any new packs ever come around? Honestly, Minecraft mods alone are useless. If you could only have a single mod, no one would care about using mods. Why shouldn't people be encouraged to get as many mods that they like into one pack and distribute it so others who share similar tastes can enjoy them?
The modpack debate: Everyone who downloaded minecraft agreed to the terms of service and conditions and that is what is what we're legally suppose to follow. It simply states(not verbatim) if you create a modification to minecraft, its yours to distribute as you please and is your intellectual property.
How would new modpacks come out?
New modpacks shouldn't need to contain the most popular mods. I actually [edited out of respect for Eloraam]. If you are patient you will get what you want.
No mod would be popular if people were not putting mods together. Not to mention, you are making a mod for someone else's game, don't act so entitled over something that can't even work on it's own. If you didn't want people to use it, why would you distribute it, and if you want people to use it, why should you care HOW they are using it, as long as the end-user is using it in the same way anyways?
According to the terms and conditions you agreed to when you downloaded the game[minecraft] you understood that if a person wants to modify, add to, or change the source code of minecraft they have distribution, copyright, and further[TOS goes into detail] rights to the material you produce and you agreed to respect this right of others. -- Now while most popular mods use MCP to compile, and decompile, your point becomes slightly valid because of the fact its so easy to get the source codes of mods. And they don't care how someone uses and manipulates their mod, they care how they distribute it.
If FTB is the only pack that ever uses popular mods, no other pack will ever be popular. I personally don't believe monopolies are moral, even more so when they are information monopolies. Information should be shared. There are much more proactive solutions then sitting around fretting about people using your mod in a pack, which is no different then them using it in a series of mods they found and installed manually except that it is easier for the end-user.
FTB modpack is not a monopoly, it just so happens that most of the people who created the mods in it are also major contributers to the modpack. Lexmanos and CPW (primary developers of FORGE) are just some examples of this direct involvement. Its not a monopoly it just to happened to consume the mod authors. Besides FTB is not one modpack, its many modpacks, I'm sure that if you made a modpack and you wanted it to be included in the laucher and you agreed to support it, if you got in touch with say slowpoke i'm sure you could get them to publish it within the laucher like Universal Electricity. And beleive its not that hard to get in touch with slowpoke.
Yeah but Eloraam could use the little "if you put this in tekkit/technic things will blow up" trick.
Oooohhh, like SirSengir's exploding bees? I like that!
Maybe marble blocks explode when you uncover one of their sides? Basalt starts to spread to other blocks, like a taint or goo without fix?
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Oooohhh, like SirSengir's exploding bees? I like that!
Maybe marble blocks explode when you uncover one of their sides? Basalt starts to spread to other blocks, like a taint or goo without fix?
I'm not too fond of this. It punishes the players who use Tekkit, who are just trying to enjoy the game. It could cripple worlds they've poured their heart and soul into, and many players among those may not even know of the drama behind the mod. Our server ran Tekkit for months and I didn't know anything about it other than 'hey, cool modpack!' Don't blame the players and kill their creations because of the authors of the modpack's irresponsibility.
At the very most, make the technic client refuse to start at all if RP2 is installed. That would be caught in testing, so it wouldn't be released to the public. Would that even work long term?
Personally, I think the FTB modpack is going to obsolete Technic in the same way Forge obsoleted Rigusami's Modloader.
Bellazbug: That too.
Unfortunately, that cannot be. Though forge obsoleted modloader, the noobs that make mods still support it. If you go to PMC, you won't see a single mod that noobs spent more than five minutes with a mod maker on. That being said, noobs support tekkit because the yogscast supports it. Since the yogscast is being payed to support tekkit, unfortunately it will never die.
Please try and steer this back into being a thread about Red Power and not how Eloraam was wronged by the tekkit and technic teams. (though she was). If you want to talk about this, create a thread about it, just dont do it here because people come here for the mod, not for an argument about a mod pack. Thank you.
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Once FTB has their full packs out even Yogscast is switching over to FTB, at least that was what Slow announced during his stream a week or so ago when he described what the various packs will be and currently it seems only RP2 is holding up the full release of the rest of the mod packs.
You can tell how important RP2 has become to the community when everything from video series, server launches and mod packs are held up by one mod not being released.
I saw this comment and just had to say something.
The only reason I know about redpower and I'm sure its the main or only reason for most people, is because its the only mod that does red stone wireing right. It the only reason I'm still running 1.1 because I can't get it to work for 1.2.5 and it hasn't been updated again since then, not to mention "eloraam.com" gives a database error everytime I go to it.
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But this doesn't follow at all. If you make a colossal screw up like that, you start getting down and licking boots. You beg for forgiveness and cry for permission. You don't set up a profit turning venture and continue to go against the wishes of those you have wronged.
The first point is true. The second point, not so much. FTB donations are little and far apart. They likely go into slowpoke's "penny jar" which he uses for the homeless and such(that's just an example, I suppose he could get a vacation, but that's incredibly unlikely. Unless his idea of a vacation is some horrible deserted island.)
And just because I want to toss it out there, my two cents on the whole "Mod Pack" debate is this:
If you can't use mods without permission, and permission is only given to well established packs (because otherwise it tends to open to the public for pack usage) then how will any new packs ever come around? Honestly, Minecraft mods alone are useless. If you could only have a single mod, no one would care about using mods. Why shouldn't people be encouraged to get as many mods that they like into one pack and distribute it so others who share similar tastes can enjoy them?
No mod would be popular if people were not putting mods together. Not to mention, you are making a mod for someone else's game, don't act so entitled over something that can't even work on it's own. If you didn't want people to use it, why would you distribute it, and if you want people to use it, why should you care HOW they are using it, as long as the end-user is using it in the same way anyways?
If FTB is the only pack that ever uses popular mods, no other pack will ever be popular. I personally don't believe monopolies are moral, even more so when they are information monopolies. Information should be shared. There are much more proactive solutions then sitting around fretting about people using your mod in a pack, which is no different then them using it in a series of mods they found and installed manually except that it is easier for the end-user.
One's work, is one's work. No matter how every single mod uses as bedrock minecraft to build upon it, what is built on it is actually the modder's creation and in a way property. If it was not like, suddenly minecraft could take all these mods and make them part of its own, without asking the permission of the creators either. As long as someone has spend their own time and used their own knowledge for all these mods, he is also the one that can control how the mod is used. This has nothing to do about what is fair for the end user, since the end user is enjoying virtually for free, all these mods, and of course that means that you get what you pay for (I say virtually because some people consider ads a payment, which I find sad to be considered as payment).
As for people liking only FTB, I can assure you, you are very wrong. FTB is definitely not the best mod pack out there, but it is the best technology pack indeed. Some people though enjoy vanilla minecraft and thus mod packs that enhance the nature or add just some ores or new dimensions and such can very well be popular. Currently these people that make FTB, decided to team up and make their own special pack and make it the best, which is what they want and what they will get. I personally do not like modpacks only because they add things I might not want and since now making your own compilation is as easy as download the file and use MultiMC, I even more do not seem myself using any modpack. The ONLY reason I would ever use the FTB one would be to play the awesome FTB map/game, but thats about it.
Well, they were shown in one of Direwolf's videos about the logic gates. You can look there. Or you can ask here. I will be glad to help you, if you specify what you need help with!
PS Reading all this stuff again something occurred to me. Maybe RP is not updating fast because Elo doesn't want illegal modpack (there's no 's' there for a reason) to get hold of it. If it is only released to FTB, Tekkit can just copy the RP files and distribute their still illegal updated pack.
Yeah but Eloraam could use the little "if you put this in tekkit/technic things will blow up" trick.
Redpower still has some things TC3 doesn't, like block breakers, and a way to sort items without having to build like 1m tick hogging minions. I don't like that fact that news is spread out either and i wish there was a simple way to get it all in one place too, but alas there is not. In the long run Eloraam is working on updating the mod (unless we're told otherwise) and that's that.
The modpack debate: Everyone who downloaded minecraft agreed to the terms of service and conditions and that is what is what we're legally suppose to follow. It simply states(not verbatim) if you create a modification to minecraft, its yours to distribute as you please and is your intellectual property.
How would new modpacks come out?
New modpacks shouldn't need to contain the most popular mods. I actually [edited out of respect for Eloraam]. If you are patient you will get what you want.
According to the terms and conditions you agreed to when you downloaded the game[minecraft] you understood that if a person wants to modify, add to, or change the source code of minecraft they have distribution, copyright, and further[TOS goes into detail] rights to the material you produce and you agreed to respect this right of others. -- Now while most popular mods use MCP to compile, and decompile, your point becomes slightly valid because of the fact its so easy to get the source codes of mods. And they don't care how someone uses and manipulates their mod, they care how they distribute it.
FTB modpack is not a monopoly, it just so happens that most of the people who created the mods in it are also major contributers to the modpack. Lexmanos and CPW (primary developers of FORGE) are just some examples of this direct involvement. Its not a monopoly it just to happened to consume the mod authors. Besides FTB is not one modpack, its many modpacks, I'm sure that if you made a modpack and you wanted it to be included in the laucher and you agreed to support it, if you got in touch with say slowpoke i'm sure you could get them to publish it within the laucher like Universal Electricity. And beleive its not that hard to get in touch with slowpoke.
Maybe marble blocks explode when you uncover one of their sides? Basalt starts to spread to other blocks, like a taint or goo without fix?
I'm not too fond of this. It punishes the players who use Tekkit, who are just trying to enjoy the game. It could cripple worlds they've poured their heart and soul into, and many players among those may not even know of the drama behind the mod. Our server ran Tekkit for months and I didn't know anything about it other than 'hey, cool modpack!' Don't blame the players and kill their creations because of the authors of the modpack's irresponsibility.
At the very most, make the technic client refuse to start at all if RP2 is installed. That would be caught in testing, so it wouldn't be released to the public. Would that even work long term?