You call it 'design' others call it 'i don't give a about it it's for me'. Or at least that's what most people think when they hear about the whole drama with BWF.
Sure, other people may call it that, and it might even be "most" as you seem to label it without any evidence to support that claim.
But, I'm also used to the majority of people not bothering to actually understand a situation before commenting on it, and transparently defending their own personal desires in a situation rather than bothering to actually think about the issues in question. I also often see such remarks attached to grossly inaccurate statements about what has actually transpired, so given these people tend to have zero credibility, it really doesn't bother me much at all.
Really, that kind of "gimme gimme" based immaturity is so laughable to any thinking individual, especially at a time of year when we're already exposed to plenty of examples of kids throwing tantrums while surrounded by wrapping paper, that it's incredibly difficult to take such comments seriously.
All together, that should cover the history behind all that quite well.
Note that the conflict between BTW and RP is more on the level of a low level feud that's gone on for over a year now, and really isn't that big a deal anymore.
If you took five minutes to look anywhere regarding BetterThanWolves, you would realise that FC really doesn't care who plays his mod and who doesn't. Why should he think about people he may potentially lose? He doesn't create the mod to keep a huge number of users, as he's said a thousand times. We have a saying here; "Shhhhhh".
It's kinda understandable when you consider we live in a rather fame obsessed society where people both lust after fame and spend tons of time observing and discussing the lives of famous people.
Thus, I think the concept that someone is making something like a mod, not for money, and not for fame, but rather out of love of the activity itself is rather alien to people.
It's somewhat remarkable that I've had to explain that time and time again, as to me, given I'm a person that really doesn't give a damn about celebrities and who routinely tunes out of conversations when they start going that way, it makes very little sense that I would have invested all this work into something for any reason other than love of what it is that I'm doing.
But I think I have to admit that I'm in the minority there, and that many view modding as some kind of popularity contest where game design begins and ends with mass appeal.
With all this drama, I think you should either just shut up and get the mod because it's fine the way it is, or just decide that you don't like the mod/developer and find something new. Honestly, if you watch the video near the top of the original post, you will see that he's making the mod so that he can have fun doing what he wants, and he's not going to change the mod in ways he doesn't like just because you aren't pleased with it.
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Please take the time to at least skim this topic before thinking it's overpowered and stupid. That's how I felt at first but this guy quickly showed how good his idea is.
I skimmed over a twitchtv stream about 'Better with Forge'. At no time during that 7 hour stream could I find a point where they were not insulting FlowerChild or the Better Than Wolves community as a whole.
Hence by signature.
@FlowerChild: I admire your ability to be able to brush off such a thing. I don't think I've ever encountered such a thing, even during my time as Mojang's moderator over at GetSatisfaction. Also, I'm looking forward to what surprises you give us with the next version of BTW.
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I swear to god I must be the only true optimist left on the planet.
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See...I kept telling everyone that wolves are evil despicable creatures, but would anyone listen? No, of course not, and now you're all ******, so "haha...told you so".
@FlowerChild: I admire your ability to be able to brush off such a thing. I don't think I've ever encountered such a thing, even during my time as Mojang's moderator over at GetSatisfaction. Also, I'm looking forward to what surprises you give us with the next version of BTW.
Indeed. The frequent theme I've seen with modders that try to communicate with their audience, is that any suggested idea is added providing it isn't totally insane.
Well, I tend to do that to, I just have a rather more rigorous definition of insanity than most
By the Nine, by Shor, and by Notch’s Hat, can we please knock off the blasted name-calling and demonizing? I am a BTW player. Why do I play BTW? Because it’s freakin’ fun. Last I checked, having fun was something that the MC community as a whole rather enjoyed, as well as those outside it. I play BTW because it offers me a complete experience, FlowerChild is tried and true with both his new content, and his update cycles. I play BTW because it gives Minecraft a full purpose. It gives me something to work for, and a challenge other than hoarding a large number of rare blocks for the sake of hoarding them.
I still remember back when I first scrawled through the MCF BTW OP, somewhere back in MC Beta 1.4 or 1.5. I was genuinely impressed by the things I saw, and had barely begun to grasp all the potential that what seems like so little now already held. I can still remember placing my first waterwheel (The windmill wasn’t yet added, to my recollection) and being amazed that it was multiple blocks in size. I remember placing the water down and almost screaming with delight as it *actually* started to spin. I didn’t know that was even possible. I’ve still not found all the pieces from that “Skull Detonation”.
I also still remember when the darker aspects started to emerge, when the “Pain for Power” started to become apparent. I felt fairly guilty when I first locked my wolves in a box on their glass cubes, sitting over a constant stream of water to ensure the room was forever damp and cold. I remember my wife of the time being a little upset when she saw my cow farm, with the babies falling into a pit to huddle together until they could venture forth to their deaths. And I recall when I first ground some Netherrak. Oh my goodness, I wanted to run away from my computer, but you know what? I enjoyed every second of it.
Better than Wolves, or, as I think of it now, Better than Minecraft, is absolutely *flawless* as it is now. I say that knowing full well FC will find a way to improve it *even further*. Just like you don’t stick your whole breakfast into a blender and call the resulting slushy better than pancakes and bacon, you don’t stick BTW in a blender with a balls-load of other mods and call it better. Everything you add to Minecraft will either dilute MC itself, or dilute other mods involved. BTW is perfectly concentrated awesome, and I trust FC as the brewer of amazing that he is to know where to dilute vMC to make our own brew even better.
That’s exactly what Better than Wolves is; *our* own personal brew. Don’t get upset when you don’t like how it tastes, or that it happens to explode when you mix it with yours.
Hi,
I absolutely LOVE this mod!!!!
But I have one-and-a-half suggestions for/questions about "Hardcore Info":
1. I really like the fact that you can't see the XYZ coordinates, but you also can't see the Seed of the map... I think it would be nice if you could see the Seed in case you started a map in Creative and want to start the same map in Survival...
1-1/2. Just as an alternate suggestion, if re-coding "Hardcore Info" to show the Seed is too much of a hassle, is there some way to just disable it in the BTW Config?
Hi,
I absolutely LOVE this mod!!!!
But I have one-and-a-half suggestions for/questions about "Hardcore Info":
1. I really like the fact that you can't see the XYZ coordinates, but you also can't see the Seed of the map... I think it would be nice if you could see the Seed in case you started a map in Creative and want to start the same map in Survival...
1-1/2. Just as an alternate suggestion, if re-coding "Hardcore Info" to show the Seed is too much of a hassle, is there some way to just disable it in the BTW Config?
I really like the fact that you can't see the XYZ coordinates, but you also can't see the Seed of the map... I think it would be nice if you could see the Seed in case you started a map in Creative and want to start the same map in Survival...
Select your save and press Re-Create and it will use the seed, or if you're in game with cheats turned on type /seed
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"Not everyone who has a built a nice chair owes money to the guy that invented chairs"
Sure, other people may call it that, and it might even be "most" as you seem to label it without any evidence to support that claim.
But, I'm also used to the majority of people not bothering to actually understand a situation before commenting on it, and transparently defending their own personal desires in a situation rather than bothering to actually think about the issues in question. I also often see such remarks attached to grossly inaccurate statements about what has actually transpired, so given these people tend to have zero credibility, it really doesn't bother me much at all.
Really, that kind of "gimme gimme" based immaturity is so laughable to any thinking individual, especially at a time of year when we're already exposed to plenty of examples of kids throwing tantrums while surrounded by wrapping paper, that it's incredibly difficult to take such comments seriously.
Not sure, but I certainly can
After taking a shower, my vision is no longer blurry and my head no longer hurts. so i'm back. To answer your question:
i got to the second sentence, then i couldn't take it anymore. It literally hurts my head reading it (and i know the literal meaning of literally)
References:
Forge/BWF:
http://www.sargunster.com/btwforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6433
My original reasons for leaving the Forge and my relationship with Elo:
A summary of the history between BTW and RP:
http://www.sargunster.com/btwforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6485
All together, that should cover the history behind all that quite well.
Note that the conflict between BTW and RP is more on the level of a low level feud that's gone on for over a year now, and really isn't that big a deal anymore.
Sometimes they convert a discussion into a confusing chain of posts , too.
It's kinda understandable when you consider we live in a rather fame obsessed society where people both lust after fame and spend tons of time observing and discussing the lives of famous people.
Thus, I think the concept that someone is making something like a mod, not for money, and not for fame, but rather out of love of the activity itself is rather alien to people.
It's somewhat remarkable that I've had to explain that time and time again, as to me, given I'm a person that really doesn't give a damn about celebrities and who routinely tunes out of conversations when they start going that way, it makes very little sense that I would have invested all this work into something for any reason other than love of what it is that I'm doing.
But I think I have to admit that I'm in the minority there, and that many view modding as some kind of popularity contest where game design begins and ends with mass appeal.
True enough. That was an oversight on my part which I just corrected. Thanks for pointing it out.
Any particular reason they don't drop shawarma tho? (;))
Wait, isn't that beef based? I thought the lamb was shish taouk.
EDIT: NM, that's chicken, while shawarma covers a range of dishes made out of various meats. I'm confused
Nope. You never could. That's an upcoming feature though.
Hence by signature.
@FlowerChild: I admire your ability to be able to brush off such a thing. I don't think I've ever encountered such a thing, even during my time as Mojang's moderator over at GetSatisfaction. Also, I'm looking forward to what surprises you give us with the next version of BTW.
I made myself a christmas tree.. complete with decoration and tip!
Thanks man. I appreciate that.
Well, I tend to do that to, I just have a rather more rigorous definition of insanity than most
I still remember back when I first scrawled through the MCF BTW OP, somewhere back in MC Beta 1.4 or 1.5. I was genuinely impressed by the things I saw, and had barely begun to grasp all the potential that what seems like so little now already held. I can still remember placing my first waterwheel (The windmill wasn’t yet added, to my recollection) and being amazed that it was multiple blocks in size. I remember placing the water down and almost screaming with delight as it *actually* started to spin. I didn’t know that was even possible. I’ve still not found all the pieces from that “Skull Detonation”.
I also still remember when the darker aspects started to emerge, when the “Pain for Power” started to become apparent. I felt fairly guilty when I first locked my wolves in a box on their glass cubes, sitting over a constant stream of water to ensure the room was forever damp and cold. I remember my wife of the time being a little upset when she saw my cow farm, with the babies falling into a pit to huddle together until they could venture forth to their deaths. And I recall when I first ground some Netherrak. Oh my goodness, I wanted to run away from my computer, but you know what? I enjoyed every second of it.
Better than Wolves, or, as I think of it now, Better than Minecraft, is absolutely *flawless* as it is now. I say that knowing full well FC will find a way to improve it *even further*. Just like you don’t stick your whole breakfast into a blender and call the resulting slushy better than pancakes and bacon, you don’t stick BTW in a blender with a balls-load of other mods and call it better. Everything you add to Minecraft will either dilute MC itself, or dilute other mods involved. BTW is perfectly concentrated awesome, and I trust FC as the brewer of amazing that he is to know where to dilute vMC to make our own brew even better.
That’s exactly what Better than Wolves is; *our* own personal brew. Don’t get upset when you don’t like how it tastes, or that it happens to explode when you mix it with yours.
I absolutely LOVE this mod!!!!
But I have one-and-a-half suggestions for/questions about "Hardcore Info":
1. I really like the fact that you can't see the XYZ coordinates, but you also can't see the Seed of the map... I think it would be nice if you could see the Seed in case you started a map in Creative and want to start the same map in Survival...
1-1/2. Just as an alternate suggestion, if re-coding "Hardcore Info" to show the Seed is too much of a hassle, is there some way to just disable it in the BTW Config?
Once again, GREAT MOD!!! Keep up the good work!
Use /seed. The seed in f3 was removed in 1.3.
Select your save and press Re-Create and it will use the seed, or if you're in game with cheats turned on type /seed
It says *incompatible*. Not the same thing.