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Quote from iiiHuman

Your argument makes no sense for at least a few reasons:

1. If, by prone to errors you mean mainly user errors, then that's still irrelevant since modding without it is more likely cause human error.
2. If you mean program errors, you even state yourself that it would be prone to the same as any other mod manager in which case it is another moot point. Any mod manager, or mod in general, is subject to program errors. That's like saying someone shouldn't even try out OptiFine since it's prone to errors.
3. If it's just that you feel that most users expect too much from it (spouting rainbows and such), then that is also irrelevant since it is still an excellent tool for modding etc. And, even if it turns out for user that it doesn't do extra things like spouting rainbows, most users will still find it extremely beneficial in many other ways. There is no reason to not like it just because it doesn't do everything you could possible want. Especially, when the features and benefits it does give out-way what someone might think it is missing. Not to mention, when compared to other possible alternatives.

Your argument is based purely on conjecture and even if you personally don't like it, for whatever reason, that is no reason for someone else to not check it out since it is an extremely helpful tool.

Boy, sure can't exaggerate with you. You misunderstand. As someone who has used it and, mind you, finds it useful. I'm merely leveling the playing field. Strongly advising its use is as irresponsible as blindly condemning it..I am rivaling your opinion and your opinion alone.

Simplifying the issue by breaking it down is inaccurate. All points are working hand-in-hand. For the inexperienced, you can either use an installer and expect it to work better than what you could do alone, or you can install manually (or with batch files, as I do) to lessen confusion if complications arrive. Naturally the former is more prominent. Modding is confusing enough, so people turn to automatic code in hopes of making it easier. Unfortunately this is not always the case. The proof is in the error reports that infest this forum and the people who must handle them, Let's not toss the word 'conjecture' around so liberally - MagicLauncher makes appearances in these reports.

Quote from Sevenedges

Boy, sure can't exaggerate with you. You misunderstand. As someone who has used it and, mind you, finds it useful. I'm merely leveling the playing field. Strongly advising its use is as irresponsible as blindly condemning it..I am rivaling your opinion and your opinion alone.

If there is any misunderstanding, it's because you're not truly being clear about your reasoning. Strongly advising its use is is not the same as blindly condemning it. I clearly stated logical reasons as to why someone should check it out and why I strongly recommend it. Your reasons against "strongly" recommending it (to supposedly level the playing field for whatever odd reason) were clearly flawed as I pointed out. Regardless of any exaggeration you gave.

Quote from Sevenedges

Simplifying the issue by breaking it down is inaccurate. ...

I have to say it was accurate in this case. To argue that someone should not try out Magic Launcher because they may run into a problem is illogical and irresponsible to say. And, there are others that can help them. More importantly, if they do run into a problem, they were probably more likely to run into a problem without something that may make things easier. Even more so, if they can't use it for any reason, they don't really lose anything except maybe a little bit of time and can still go make an attempt to do things manually or some other way. But, if it does work fine for them, it greatly simplified their lives.

Even if you aren't suggesting to completely not use it but rather that it just shouldn't be "strongly recommended," that comment is misleading and makes people think you actually do recommend against it even if that is not the case. Especially, before you defined your reasoning behind your first comment on it. Even after explaining yourself, your reasoning against "strongly" recommending it is flawed.

I still "strongly" recommend it for various reasons that I and others have mentioned and also other reasons that I am sure haven't even been mentioned. If you feel it should still be recommended but not "strongly" recommended, that is still conjecture.

So, let's agree to disagree.

It did nothing

Runs faster with everything turned off/on fastest mode, but if you enable things like load far, render far, and anything else that has to do with rendering geometry it gradually gets laggier until it's unplayable and if that doesn't happen, the terrain visually disappears briefly or for an extended period of time. The only temporary fix (and it's very temporary) is to save & exit and then continue playing the game again.

I'm using the Multi-Core version and have a dual core processor, as well as a GTX570. My processor may not be the best, but it shouldn't be this incompatible with the mod...

Small question: I got the B Smooth version. I noticed that there was a png file in the zip. Is that png file supposed to go in the jar along with the class files?

Quote from TWFXTwinK

Small question: I got the B Smooth version. I noticed that there was a png file in the zip. Is that png file supposed to go in the jar along with the class files?

Yes, the CTM.png is for the Connected Textures Mod and requires to be put in the .jar with the class files

Quote from KawaiiJess

sp614x, it seems OptiFine was compiled using Java 1.6+ again. I'm getting a black screen. Java 1.5 version please! Thanks.

(inb4 update to Java 1.6... I can't)

Apologies sp614x, I'm assuming something went wrong with MCPatcher because it worked the second time I installed it. *shrugs* Thanks as always!

Yo I have a problem, cuz when I do the connected textures thing, it turns the glass back to default texture. Any help plz?

Quote from Applay

It could be incompatibility with other mods or maybe you didn't delete the META-INF folder.

I'm somewhat new to mods, and I don't understand how to "clear" Minecraft of all mods. I have the Magic Launcher, and it has a button that says "Force Update", but I can't click on it. I guess it might be because of the "META-INF folder", but I can't get anything to work with .zip folders. I'm not trying to be a clueless nusiance, but there are some things that I just can't find information about (Without having to go through hundreds of pages of updates and suggestions ).

I need some help, I installed the "smooth" version of optifine, and for some reason, the better grass and connected textures don't work even when I turn them to fancy. Can anyone please help?

Quote from taette

I use "OptiFine HD B Multi-Core for Minecraft 1.2.3"and have every second some clipping bugs, its not only when i fly or anything when i stand on one point those clipping bugs are still there, how to fix it? i test now every Package and this bug is still alive with McPatcher i dont have any bugs, but i like this fps-boosting and smooth gameplay only those clipping bugs are -.-' very annoying.

thx for your help!


greez taette

Have you tried this?

If you have problems with flashing or transparent blocks you can try:
A. Disable "Threaded Optimization" / "OpenGL Threading" in the graphics card control panel (example)
B. Enable "Vertical Synchronization" in the graphics control panel or set the option Performance to VSync

the Connected textures are not compatible with my (HoneyballLP Gronkh) texture pack...

Is there anyway I can upgrade optifine from standard to a higher one without cleaning out my minecraft? I want to try because it lags incredibly with 1.2.3

why water lights and some terrain shadows or biome transition are like MC 1.2 beta? (hard... not smoth transition) what config I'm missing? all other lights look fine

lol I have a Dell inspiron 1545, that alone should tell you what a lag fest it was w/o Optifine.
now it's playable, still laggy, but I can tolerate it, however I have a question, I have a few mods running plus a texture pack, should I still be running Minecraft with just 256 MB's of memory or should I add more, if so, how much?

Quote from Crazy1duke1

I'm somewhat new to mods, and I don't understand how to "clear" Minecraft of all mods. I have the Magic Launcher, and it has a button that says "Force Update", but I can't click on it. I guess it might be because of the "META-INF folder", but I can't get anything to work with .zip folders. I'm not trying to be a clueless nusiance, but there are some things that I just can't find information about (Without having to go through hundreds of pages of updates and suggestions ).

Do this way... Open the normal Minecraft Launcher and then do Force Update. After that, you'll have a clean minecraft.jar.
Then go into your minecraft folder and install the Optifine manually. In case you don't know how to install mods, here's a guide

Inside of the minecraft.jar, there'll be a folder called META-INF (in capitals like that). Delete it and then run your minecraft using the Magic Launcher normally.

I went from 10-20 FPS and unplayable when big RS projects are running to 50-60 FPS (90 when staring at a wall) and 20-30 for the same RS device. Of course, a big part of that increase was my ability to turn a lot more options down to lower settings (I was comparing the lowest possible setting for vanilla to the lowest possible setting for OptiMine, but the comparison may still be valid).

Keeping the settings the same from vanilla to OptiMine yielded less of a change, going from teens to low 20s in similar circumstances, but I really appreciate the lowered settings.

Problem has been fixed.

Quote from risemodders

My cousin had the same issue even without optifine ,he had a very bad integrated video card,he bought a better one and that issue was gone.It must be that ur video card is overheating and starts slowing down

I've noticed this as well, after about 1-2 hours constant playing - but it's happening even without Optifine (in fact it happens 'quicker' without it)

I've noticed though that when I initially start the game there is very little disk access, but when FPS start dropping/ game lagging, there's a 'lot' of disk access - so I'm guessing that the more I play the 'more' memory is getting swapped to the HDD (I'm using an oldish PC with only 2Gb memory on WinXP)

Quote from Aerofluff

I've been looking to install Optifine so I can have Sonic Ether's GLSL shaders again... But ever since I installed Optifine (I also have Modloader in the Magic Launcher, for other mods), my swamps are suddenly purple again (even though I set Swamp Colors to OFF, it doesn't do anything.)
...

Missing class member: public Z aoLightValuesCalculated, class: vh, mod: ModLoader.zip
Missing class member: public F aoLightValueOpaque, class: vh, mod: ModLoader.zip
Missing class member: public static [[F redstoneColors, class: vh, mod: ModLoader.zip

OptiFine should be installed AFTER ModLoader.