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Quote from Dweller_Benthos

Equivalent Exchange is loaded (mod_EE), or trying to load since it failed. But you're right, it needs Forge and at this point, you're better off waiting until the Forge people get full Modloader support before you update Forge. Just because they release a "suggested" update every other day, doesn't mean you have to install it. Get an older version that's known to be compatible with all modloader mods.

Please don't give bad advice, it's just not cool. What Minecraft Forge has done is use Forge Modloader (FML). With FML, modloader is no longer needed to be installed at all. With FML, ALL mods that need Modloader will work with the new Forge installed AND NOT Modloader. So now, all you do is install Forge, and you don't ever need to install Modloader or ModloaderMP (Unless a mod needs ModloaderMP, but in this case it can only be used SSP and not SMP.)


Edit: I am running a total of 88 mods and some of them don't require Forge, but just Modloader.

Quote from thebigking4

Please don't give bad advice, it's just not cool. What Minecraft Forge has done is use Forge Modloader (FML). With FML, modloader is no longer needed to be installed at all. With FML, ALL mods that need Modloader will work with the new Forge installed AND NOT Modloader. So now, all you do is install Forge, and you don't ever need to install Modloader or ModloaderMP (Unless a mod needs ModloaderMP, but in this case it can only be used SSP and not SMP.)


Edit: I am running a total of 88 mods and some of them don't require Forge, but just Modloader.

I'm sorry you bought into the Forge line, but it isn't true!!!
Forge has ALWAYS had a problem remaining current. Very often Forge fixes a problem with one Forge affiliate only to break 3 others. I fully expect the jaded view of Forge (we don't care we broke your mod, join Forge and we'll fix it) will eventually cause Jeb to take a stand! I only hope he follows his head and not his heart.
IMO Forge will NEVER be as universal as ModLoader is today!!!

Let's see how long Forge takes to update when the next MC update happens... It has always been 1 to 2 weeks... Are you willing to wait that long?

I think one of their coders is named Pinky care to guess another?

Quote from LoRaM100

I'm sorry you bought into the Forge line, but it isn't true!!!
Forge has ALWAYS had a problem remaining current. Very often Forge fixes a problem with one Forge affiliate only to break 3 others. I fully expect the jaded view of Forge (we don't care we broke your mod, join Forge and we'll fix it) will eventually cause Jeb to take a stand! I only hope he follows his head and not his heart.
IMO Forge will NEVER be as universal as ModLoader is today!!!

Let's see how long Forge takes to update when the next MC update happens... It has always been 1 to 2 weeks... Are you willing to wait that long?

I think one of their coders is named Pinky care to guess another?

Hmmmm, I think you might have your facts a little wrong there. As it has been stated that they had to wait for Modloader and ModloaderMP to update before they could update. Once those updated, they normally updated within a few days after that. I trust CPW (FML) and Eloraam, Lex Manos and the others to update Forge in a timely manner. Now that Forge doesn't have to rely on anyone, then they should update a lot faster. But alas, this isn't what this thread is for, to debate this. But to say Forge breaks modloader only mods, is down right wrong, and do not give wrong advice to people. If you have a problem with FML breaking a mod that needs modloader, and only mod loader (As some mods edit base classes that would be incompatible with Forge. I.E. BTW.) then talk to CPW or Lex. Tryhttp://minecraftforge.net/forum/ and ask for help. Because I am running Modloader mods and not having an issue with them loading with the latest release of Forge. Heck, even Forge mods that haven't been updated to the new forge yet are working perfectly.

TL;DR Don't answer unless you have tried the latest forge with mods that require Modloader only. As FML does load mods that don't require Forge. I even have loaded up with just Forge and a few mods that I downloaded to test it out.

okay, i have about four different mods and i heard on a video that modloader is supposed to allow you to use all of those without messing them up, but when i install modloader after installing toomanyitems it says it is on, then i install something like elemental creepers and it all unloads and goes to normal survival mode minecraft.....help please?

Quote from thebigking4

Hmmmm, I think you might have your facts a little wrong there. As it has been stated that they had to wait for Modloader and ModloaderMP to update before they could update. Once those updated, they normally updated within a few days after that. I trust CPW (FML) and Eloraam, Lex Manos and the others to update Forge in a timely manner. Now that Forge doesn't have to rely on anyone, then they should update a lot faster. But alas, this isn't what this thread is for, to debate this. But to say Forge breaks modloader only mods, is down right wrong, and do not give wrong advice to people. If you have a problem with FML breaking a mod that needs modloader, and only mod loader (As some mods edit base classes that would be incompatible with Forge. I.E. BTW.) then talk to CPW or Lex. Tryhttp://minecraftforge.net/forum/ and ask for help. Because I am running Modloader mods and not having an issue with them loading with the latest release of Forge. Heck, even Forge mods that haven't been updated to the new forge yet are working perfectly.

TL;DR Don't answer unless you have tried the latest forge with mods that require Modloader only. As FML does load mods that don't require Forge. I even have loaded up with just Forge and a few mods that I downloaded to test it out.

I read EVERY post for every Mod I've installed!!!
Go into the history on the RP thread and you'll read time and again how the latest Forge can't be used because it breaks one or another parts of RP.
Go to the Forge thread and research how much they cared when Forge broke /instantmine.
I think when MC updates you'll be unpleasantly surprised at how long it takes for Forge to make the change.
I also think it strange how many non-Forge Mods aren't compatible... I wonder if it's by design. I fear the list will grow!
Forge has done some good things; not all of their changes are for the better. When you've been here as long as have I we'll chat again.
I have 2 Mods that need Forge to function... I install Forge 3rd from the last!!!

Hello. I am trying to use an older version of mod loader (B1.7.3) So I can play some of the older mods that havent been updated in a while and to get a feeling of nostalgia, but for some reason my MC crashes when I only have the modloader 1.7.3 in the JAR. I used MC nostalgia to downgrade my MC to 1.7.3 so I know thats not my problem. I get an error report but it dissappears to fast for any of it to be read besides
Mods loaded: 1

ModloaderB1.7.1

Quote from LoRaM100

I read EVERY post for every Mod I've installed!!!
Go into the history on the RP thread and you'll read time and again how the latest Forge can't be used because it breaks one or another parts of RP.
Go to the Forge thread and research how much they cared when Forge broke /instantmine.
I think when MC updates you'll be unpleasantly surprised at how long it takes for Forge to make the change.
I also think it strange how many non-Forge Mods aren't compatible... I wonder if it's by design. I fear the list will grow!
Forge has done some good things; not all of their changes are for the better. When you've been here as long as have I we'll chat again.
I have 2 Mods that need Forge to function... I install Forge 3rd from the last!!!

Buddy, I may have a newish account, but that is because I didn't need to comment all the time. So, don't go on account age, it shows that you are grasping at something, anything to make your point. If you are talking about what I think you are, then it wasn't redpower that was broken. If you are talking about the ore generation on world load, that was mDiyo's 4096 fix that hadn't been updated in ages. Not Forges fault there, as it was built on a very old Forge. Redpower has and still does work for me with the latest forge. That says a lot, since Redpower is still at Pr5b2 and hasn't updated. And considering Eloraam (Creator of RP) also works on Forge... Hmmm, I think she would have known if she had to push an update for RP2 to be compatible with Forge when it released. While Metadata hasn't been included, it STILL works. Shall I continue to make examples or will you finally admit that you have no idea what you are talking about? Oh and the 4096 fix? Pahimar (Current maintainer of EE2 has updated a fix, also Forge now includes a fix directly.)

Quote from Highway

Is this compatible with the newest snapshot?

No it is not. Might want to read a few pages back as to why.

Quote from Tjthunder

Hello. I am trying to use an older version of mod loader (B1.7.3) So I can play some of the older mods that havent been updated in a while and to get a feeling of nostalgia, but for some reason my MC crashes when I only have the modloader 1.7.3 in the JAR. I used MC nostalgia to downgrade my MC to 1.7.3 so I know thats not my problem. I get an error report but it dissappears to fast for any of it to be read besides
Mods loaded: 1

ModloaderB1.7.1

More than likely, you have a mod in the mods folder that is not compatible with that version of minecraft / modloader. Check the mods folder and see what you have there. Make sure all the mods are for that version.


Otherwise, post modloader.txt (in your minecraft folder) or use this to get an error report:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22096331/debug/minecrafterrortest.bat
or this
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/533027-tool-minecrafterror/

Hello Risugami!
I'm going to make a mod pack and I was wondering if you could let me use your 'Recipe Book' mod in my modpack?
I will be releasing it soon on PMC and MCF once I get more mod creators permissions.
Thanks!
P.S: I love ALL your mods man, please keep it up. And update ASAP when 1.3 comes out?

I have a question Risugami:
why I can not erase the META-INF?

risugami is it ok if i make a mod pack called risugami pack and it has all of your mods in one mod

Quote from thebigking4

Buddy, I may have a newish account, but that is because I didn't need to comment all the time. So, don't go on account age, it shows that you are grasping at something, anything to make your point. If you are talking about what I think you are, then it wasn't redpower that was broken. If you are talking about the ore generation on world load, that was mDiyo's 4096 fix that hadn't been updated in ages. Not Forges fault there, as it was built on a very old Forge. Redpower has and still does work for me with the latest forge. That says a lot, since Redpower is still at Pr5b2 and hasn't updated. And considering Eloraam (Creator of RP) also works on Forge... Hmmm, I think she would have known if she had to push an update for RP2 to be compatible with Forge when it released. While Metadata hasn't been included, it STILL works. Shall I continue to make examples or will you finally admit that you have no idea what you are talking about? Oh and the 4096 fix? Pahimar (Current maintainer of EE2 has updated a fix, also Forge now includes a fix directly.)

Read the ****ing history and find some PROOF of what you claim or STFU!!! My observations are based on real events. Things that have occurred (Talk to the BTW folks, get their feelings), yours are based on promises... IMO EMPTY promises. When YOU can provide some documented PROOF of what you say I may listen; until then it's just Bull ****! A great deal of Bull ****!!!

Someone has a potty mouth today. Currently CPW and LexManos are the active developers of Forge. And I must say, they are doing a fine job. They have stepped on some toes by integrating AudioMod, Modloader, and ModloaderMP, but it was in the best interest of the public. To make it so only 1 jar mod is required to run most mods. Most bugs are the result of Forge development moving very fast. Some mods keep up and other mods fall behind, resulting in incompatibilities.

Quote from Efren_Rodrigo

I have a question Risugami:
why I can not erase the META-INF?

Please go into more detail. Do you have permissions to edit the .minecraft folder and the files it contains. What platform are you using? What file archiving utility are you using to edit the minecraft.jar file? Is Minecraft open when you try to edit the jar? Also, Risugami simply can't answer the shear volume of posts and messages he must get. People like me are willing to help you instead.

Quote from DZCreeper

Someone has a potty mouth today. Currently CPW and LexManos are the active developers of Forge. And I must say, they are doing a fine job. They have stepped on some toes by integrating AudioMod, Modloader, and ModloaderMP, but it was in the best interest of the public. To make it so only 1 jar mod is required to run most mods. Most bugs are the result of Forge development moving very fast. Some mods keep up and other mods fall behind, resulting in incompatibilities.

And if they aren't part of the Forge Group, we really could care less!!! We've even found a way to negate any avenue around our dominance!!!
Join or fade into obscurity.
I really fear It's going to need Jeb to fix this. I hope it happens soon.

You should make an undershirt mod. The mod is your player maintains 1 health point, despite a fatal hit of damage. Can be turned off in the inventory.

how do i install audio mod?