Hey guys, so I was looking into purchasing a new minecraft server.
I currently have a 2gb VPS which is absolutley fine with running and hosting bukkit and having a few of my friends on at once.
What I want to know is, why brohost sell a $6 server that has 128mb of ram, when I can just aswell spend $15 and get myself a 2gb server.
Does ram play a big factor in server speed? Or are those $6 servers equipped with a really fast connection?
Just don't see why I would buy a 'minecraft server' when I can get something with 10x better specs for a little bit more.(referring to a VPS)
Cheers :smile.gif:
Hey guys, so I was looking into purchasing a new minecraft server.
I currently have a 2gb VPS which is absolutley fine with running and hosting bukkit and having a few of my friends on at once.
What I want to know is, why brohost sell a $6 server that has 128mb of ram, when I can just aswell spend $15 and get myself a 2gb server.
Does ram play a big factor in server speed? Or are those $6 servers equipped with a really fast connection?
Just don't see why I would buy a 'minecraft server' when I can get something with 10x better specs for a little bit more.(referring to a VPS)
Cheers :smile.gif:
What brohoster does, and many other companies do, is sell managed servers. You or I know how to use Linux and manage our own server, but they manage their servers and therefore it's more expensive. Also, they have better overall hardware, but you are right, it is always cheaper and faster to rent your own server.
EDIT: They sell servers to those who otherwise don't know how to run a server.
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” — Albert Einstein
"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig." — Robert Heinlein
Generally, it is much better to run the server not using a VPS as you use additional resources with the VPS to run the OS. Say you have a 1GB VPS, you can only allocate 650-700MB, whereas server hosts that host servers on dedicated hardware generally allocate a full 1GB to Minecraft.
Generally, it is much better to run the server not using a VPS as you use additional resources with the VPS to run the OS. Say you have a 1GB VPS, you can only allocate 650-700MB, whereas server hosts that host servers on dedicated hardware generally allocate a full 1GB to Minecraft.
Yeah, but I can get 3GB total on a VPS for $30/month, and Brohoster would be $70/month for 3GB. Sure, there's some overhead with a VPS, so it's $30/month vs $46/month (2GB Brohoster tier).
In addition, a VPS allows you to totally customize your server, and you can run anything on it, not just Minecraft. Also, a VPS usually has better specs overall in terms of CPU/Bandwidth/Speed/RAM/HDD space.
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” — Albert Einstein
"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig." — Robert Heinlein
Yeah, but I can get 3GB total on a VPS for $30/month, and Brohoster would be $70/month for 3GB. Sure, there's some overhead with a VPS, so it's $30/month vs $46/month (2GB Brohoster tier).
In addition, a VPS allows you to totally customize your server, and you can run anything on it, not just Minecraft. Also, a VPS usually has better specs overall in terms of CPU/Bandwidth/Speed/RAM/HDD space.
Just a clarification on a VPS "Virtual Private Server", it means you share resources with ## amount of other people, I can't give you the exact amount because its up to the discretion of the host of the VPS, typically the have a "fair use policy" for instance:
You have a 4GB Server
You have 1 Dual Core CPU
You have 100mbps connection
Yes, you will have a dedicated resource share of 4GB of memory, you will always have that available.
That 1 CPU is used between ## amount of people (Minecraft takes a substantial, especially when lots of people are on, CPU usage.)
That connection, is also shared between ## other VPS's as well.
It's just 1 box shared between ## amount of people. So they usually enact a "fair use policy", you go over your "threshold" on CPU/Bandwidth consumption you're probably going to be asked to move to a dedicated server.
If you have the know how, and do NOT plan to go large with your servers, you'll more than likely be fine.
I'm not sure what company you have your VPS through, but I would read their TOS on, what I'm fairly confident in saying, of their "Fair Use Policy"
Just a little info. And yes, if you have the know how to run/setup a linux box on a VPS it is usually cheaper, but in the end, it's a shared resource so it could come out in the wash in the end on actual performance vs a hosted server through a company per se.
Just a clarification on a VPS "Virtual Private Server", it means you share resources with ## amount of other people, I can't give you the exact amount because its up to the discretion of the host of the VPS, typically the have a "fair use policy" for instance:
You have a 4GB Server
You have 1 Dual Core CPU
You have 100mbps connection
Yes, you will have a dedicated resource share of 4GB of memory, you will always have that available.
That 1 CPU is used between ## amount of people (Minecraft takes a substantial, especially when lots of people are on, CPU usage.)
That connection, is also shared between ## other VPS's as well.
It's just 1 box shared between ## amount of people. So they usually enact a "fair use policy", you go over your "threshold" on CPU/Bandwidth consumption you're probably going to be asked to move to a dedicated server.
If you have the know how, and do NOT plan to go large with your servers, you'll more than likely be fine.
I'm not sure what company you have your VPS through, but I would read their TOS on, what I'm fairly confident in saying, of their "Fair Use Policy"
Just a little info. And yes, if you have the know how to run/setup a linux box on a VPS it is usually cheaper, but in the end, it's a shared resource so it could come out in the wash in the end on actual performance vs a hosted server through a company per se.
Not quite true--
1. Yeah, but there's a virtualization environment, it's not a shared server, it's virtualized (and yes, with multiple VMs on it).
2. Noooo.. You have it all wrong, what you are saying is a shared server. A VPS might have 20 GB RAM and 5 clients, who are each given 4GB RAM that's always available, and 2GB of swap RAM each which is available if the server has free RAM when they need the RAM. If you pay for 5GB RAM and 5GB burst RAM, you always can use up to 5GB of RAM, and you can sometimes use the extra 5GB when the server isn't fully used. As for the line speed, they typically have a 1 GBPS or higher line running to a box, which means that you can *usually* get *up to* 100mbps (but it's not a 100mbps line to the entire box).
3. I have read the TOS, it states what I have said.
4. A VPS is currently much more power for your money than a managed host.
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” — Albert Einstein
"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig." — Robert Heinlein
What brohoster does, and many other companies do, is sell managed servers. You or I know how to use Linux and manage our own server, but they manage their servers and therefore it's more expensive. Also, they have better overall hardware, but you are right, it is always cheaper and faster to rent your own server.
EDIT: They sell servers to those who otherwise don't know how to run a server.
Thanks for clearing that up, seems like an easy way for people like bro hoster to make money off of ‘newbs’ with no linux experience :tongue.gif:
Generally, it is much better to run the server not using a VPS as you use additional resources with the VPS to run the OS. Say you have a 1GB VPS, you can only allocate 650-700MB, whereas server hosts that host servers on dedicated hardware generally allocate a full 1GB to Minecraft.
I have CentOS installed on my VPS and it uses around 30-40mb of RAM, so that’s not really true. I have been running my server on my VPS for some time now and me and my friends never experience any lag.
Yeah, but I can get 3GB total on a VPS for $30/month, and Brohoster would be $70/month for 3GB. Sure, there's some overhead with a VPS, so it's $30/month vs $46/month (2GB Brohoster tier).
In addition, a VPS allows you to totally customize your server, and you can run anything on it, not just Minecraft. Also, a VPS usually has better specs overall in terms of CPU/Bandwidth/Speed/RAM/HDD space.
Just a clarification on a VPS "Virtual Private Server", it means you share resources with ## amount of other people, I can't give you the exact amount because its up to the discretion of the host of the VPS, typically the have a "fair use policy" for instance:
You have a 4GB Server
You have 1 Dual Core CPU
You have 100mbps connection
Yes, you will have a dedicated resource share of 4GB of memory, you will always have that available.
That 1 CPU is used between ## amount of people (Minecraft takes a substantial, especially when lots of people are on, CPU usage.)
That connection, is also shared between ## other VPS's as well.
It's just 1 box shared between ## amount of people. So they usually enact a "fair use policy", you go over your "threshold" on CPU/Bandwidth consumption you're probably going to be asked to move to a dedicated server.
If you have the know how, and do NOT plan to go large with your servers, you'll more than likely be fine.
I'm not sure what company you have your VPS through, but I would read their TOS on, what I'm fairly confident in saying, of their "Fair Use Policy"
Just a little info. And yes, if you have the know how to run/setup a linux box on a VPS it is usually cheaper, but in the end, it's a shared resource so it could come out in the wash in the end on actual performance vs a hosted server through a company per se.
I have been running programs which require high java usage and this has never happened to me. I've been with 3-4 VPS companies and this has never happened, so I should be fine.
I have been running programs which require high java usage and this has never happened to me. I've been with 3-4 VPS companies and this has never happened, so I should be fine.
I think he has VPS hosting confused with shared hosting or even shared web hosting, as that's very far from what a VPS actually is.
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” — Albert Einstein
"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig." — Robert Heinlein
I, technically never disagreed with a VPS being a better choice vs a managed, I was simply stating that some VPS companies DO have a fair usage that you should be aware about prior to buying it. I'm not disputing in any way, shape or form the benefits of a VPS vs managed hosting for financials, it ultimately depends on your know how when it comes to managing your own VPS.
I was just stating things you should look into prior, what type of virtualization the use to server specs, how many nodes are on the main server, etc.. etc.. anything an average consumer in the market of a VPS (assuming you have a fair amount of knowledge in this field) would keep an eye out for.
Since OP was asking, my first assumption is, he's not into servers as maybe as much as we are per se, since he is asking here vs perhaps better sources/forums for guidance.
All I meant by this was just make sure you know what you're paying for. Been down that road a long time ago, never will make that mistake again, all I'm saying. :smile.gif:
I, technically never disagreed with a VPS being a better choice vs a managed, I was simply stating that some VPS companies DO have a fair usage that you should be aware about prior to buying it. I'm not disputing in any way, shape or form the benefits of a VPS vs managed hosting for financials, it ultimately depends on your know how when it comes to managing your own VPS.
I was just stating things you should look into prior, what type of virtualization the use to server specs, how many nodes are on the main server, etc.. etc.. anything an average consumer in the market of a VPS (assuming you have a fair amount of knowledge in this field) would keep an eye out for.
Since OP was asking, my first assumption is, he's not into servers as maybe as much as we are per se, since he is asking here vs perhaps better sources/forums for guidance.
All I meant by this was just make sure you know what you're paying for. Been down that road a long time ago, never will make that mistake again, all I'm saying. :smile.gif:
Fair enough. And yes, I am 'into servers.' I was simply concerned as to why the prices were so high compared to a VPS, and thought I was missing some sort of spec in the VPS compared to the manages mc servers.
I currently have a 2gb VPS which is absolutley fine with running and hosting bukkit and having a few of my friends on at once.
What I want to know is, why brohost sell a $6 server that has 128mb of ram, when I can just aswell spend $15 and get myself a 2gb server.
Does ram play a big factor in server speed? Or are those $6 servers equipped with a really fast connection?
Just don't see why I would buy a 'minecraft server' when I can get something with 10x better specs for a little bit more.(referring to a VPS)
Cheers :smile.gif:
What brohoster does, and many other companies do, is sell managed servers. You or I know how to use Linux and manage our own server, but they manage their servers and therefore it's more expensive. Also, they have better overall hardware, but you are right, it is always cheaper and faster to rent your own server.
EDIT: They sell servers to those who otherwise don't know how to run a server.
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Yeah, but I can get 3GB total on a VPS for $30/month, and Brohoster would be $70/month for 3GB. Sure, there's some overhead with a VPS, so it's $30/month vs $46/month (2GB Brohoster tier).
In addition, a VPS allows you to totally customize your server, and you can run anything on it, not just Minecraft. Also, a VPS usually has better specs overall in terms of CPU/Bandwidth/Speed/RAM/HDD space.
"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig." — Robert Heinlein
Just a clarification on a VPS "Virtual Private Server", it means you share resources with ## amount of other people, I can't give you the exact amount because its up to the discretion of the host of the VPS, typically the have a "fair use policy" for instance:
You have a 4GB Server
You have 1 Dual Core CPU
You have 100mbps connection
Yes, you will have a dedicated resource share of 4GB of memory, you will always have that available.
That 1 CPU is used between ## amount of people (Minecraft takes a substantial, especially when lots of people are on, CPU usage.)
That connection, is also shared between ## other VPS's as well.
It's just 1 box shared between ## amount of people. So they usually enact a "fair use policy", you go over your "threshold" on CPU/Bandwidth consumption you're probably going to be asked to move to a dedicated server.
If you have the know how, and do NOT plan to go large with your servers, you'll more than likely be fine.
I'm not sure what company you have your VPS through, but I would read their TOS on, what I'm fairly confident in saying, of their "Fair Use Policy"
Just a little info. And yes, if you have the know how to run/setup a linux box on a VPS it is usually cheaper, but in the end, it's a shared resource so it could come out in the wash in the end on actual performance vs a hosted server through a company per se.
Not quite true--
1. Yeah, but there's a virtualization environment, it's not a shared server, it's virtualized (and yes, with multiple VMs on it).
2. Noooo.. You have it all wrong, what you are saying is a shared server. A VPS might have 20 GB RAM and 5 clients, who are each given 4GB RAM that's always available, and 2GB of swap RAM each which is available if the server has free RAM when they need the RAM. If you pay for 5GB RAM and 5GB burst RAM, you always can use up to 5GB of RAM, and you can sometimes use the extra 5GB when the server isn't fully used. As for the line speed, they typically have a 1 GBPS or higher line running to a box, which means that you can *usually* get *up to* 100mbps (but it's not a 100mbps line to the entire box).
3. I have read the TOS, it states what I have said.
4. A VPS is currently much more power for your money than a managed host.
"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig." — Robert Heinlein
Thanks for clearing that up, seems like an easy way for people like bro hoster to make money off of ‘newbs’ with no linux experience :tongue.gif:
I have CentOS installed on my VPS and it uses around 30-40mb of RAM, so that’s not really true. I have been running my server on my VPS for some time now and me and my friends never experience any lag.
I have been running programs which require high java usage and this has never happened to me. I've been with 3-4 VPS companies and this has never happened, so I should be fine.
Mine also came with one....
I think he has VPS hosting confused with shared hosting or even shared web hosting, as that's very far from what a VPS actually is.
"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig." — Robert Heinlein
I was just stating things you should look into prior, what type of virtualization the use to server specs, how many nodes are on the main server, etc.. etc.. anything an average consumer in the market of a VPS (assuming you have a fair amount of knowledge in this field) would keep an eye out for.
Since OP was asking, my first assumption is, he's not into servers as maybe as much as we are per se, since he is asking here vs perhaps better sources/forums for guidance.
All I meant by this was just make sure you know what you're paying for. Been down that road a long time ago, never will make that mistake again, all I'm saying. :smile.gif:
Fair enough. And yes, I am 'into servers.' I was simply concerned as to why the prices were so high compared to a VPS, and thought I was missing some sort of spec in the VPS compared to the manages mc servers.
Cheers lads.