The problem is you are looking at is as a Minecraft issue. It's a Java issue. You are using a feature that is optimized for 64-bit Java, with a 32-bit OS. And I fail to see how updating your OS to a recent release is not necessary. The only reason to ever have XP is if it's a computer linked up to a server, like at work. And even then, why would a server based computer have 16gigs of RAM. Just need to stop sticking with a "if it ain't broke why fix it" mentality. Improve your experience and upgrade. Not just for Minecraft. Otherwise, you may as well just sell your rig, and buy a bargain bin PoS for 300-500$.
Not a minecraft issue? I'm sorry, I don't understand how that is possible.
1.7.3 - Game runs perfectly.
1.8.1 - Game crashes on "Far"
-Everything Inbetween- Game Crashes on "Far"
1.0.0 - Game crashes on "Far"
You shouldn't use Win7 64bit for Minecraft but for everything else :laugh.gif:
Could you post some benchmarks ? I really tend to doubt it performs the same ... ( At least with Crysis 1/2 or other DX11 games or other hardware-hungry games)
I've not saved the benchmarks and I'm not about to run any now, but here are things I remember.
Its because your laptop or pc or mac whatever has low disk space and you need to remove some useless stuff like on your desktop and everywhere even small files will help and another solution is to get 64 bit and if you have alot of space then look up a tuturial of how to make your minecraft memory load more space because sometimes thats mainly the problem
Its because your laptop or pc or mac whatever has low disk space and you need to remove some useless stuff like on your desktop and everywhere even small files will help and another solution is to get 64 bit and if you have alot of space then look up a tuturial of how to make your minecraft memory load more space because sometimes thats mainly the problem
It's got 40GB free, you don't know what you're talking about it seems.
Ok, so all your benchmarks tell us, is that you have a great graphics card(and that you can encode 264 with only 3gig of RAM, with a beast CPU) I fail to see how this changes the fact that you are not using the amount of RAM that you need to be using. Minecraft got BETTER, thus requiring 64-bit to run at max settings. So again, it is not a Minecraft issue. The only solution you are going to get is upgrade your OS. To expect anything else, when the game tells you that you need it to run at the max settings, is bull-headed. As for .gifs being your reason for not upgrading...I didn't know anyone actually used the factory setting image viewer. That's what Nero and such are for. Calling a 10-year old OS great just for that reason(you've got to have other reasons...other than the UI, cause frankly, there is not a huge noticeable difference) is not a legitimate excuse to waste 200-400$ of hardware. I stand by my idea of either getting W7 back, or dual-boot to a Ubuntu OS or something, or sell your rig to someone that will actually put its specs to use and buy a bargain rig. Stop wasting what you have.
And also, we can bump this thread forever and a day. You will not get any other favorable answers to your issue. And finally, really should just put all that you have to say in one post. No need to bump your thread with 2-4 replies.
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Ok, so all your benchmarks tell us, is that you have a great graphics card(and that you can encode 264 with only 3gig of RAM, with a beast CPU) I fail to see how this changes the fact that you are not using the amount of RAM that you need to be using. Minecraft got BETTER, thus requiring 64-bit to run at max settings. So again, it is not a Minecraft issue. The only solution you are going to get is upgrade your OS. To expect anything else, when the game tells you that you need it to run at the max settings, is bull-headed. As for .gifs being your reason for not upgrading...I didn't know anyone actually used the factory setting image viewer. That's what Nero and such are for. Calling a 10-year old OS great just for that reason(you've got to have other reasons...other than the UI, cause frankly, there is not a huge noticeable difference) is not a legitimate excuse to waste 200-400$ of hardware. I stand by my idea of either getting W7 back, or dual-boot to a Ubuntu OS or something, or sell your rig to someone that will actually put its specs to use and buy a bargain rig. Stop wasting what you have.
And also, we can bump this thread forever and a day. You will not get any other favorable answers to your issue. And finally, really should just put all that you have to say in one post. No need to bump your thread with 2-4 replies.
It's not a great OS because it can view .gifs, it's a great OS because it is. Everyone who swears that Windows 7 is simply superior has their head up their ass. The new Paint is horrible, IMO as well. No theme can change that. I've got my reasons for not liking Windows 7, trust me.
Also the benchmarks should be telling you that Everything I do does not require a 64-bit OS, but you for some reason cannot understand that.
Everything you do must not include running Minecraft at Far distance then. I understand fully that you want to keep XP because you "don't need it." So the simple solution is, you do not need to run Far distance. The game states clearly it needs 64bit to run at max. You do not want to get 64bit, so you cannot play at that level of detail. Do not blame the game for you not wanting to make the most of your rig. Whether or not you need it for everything else. I understand fully your lack of need for it. I just do not understand why you expect Minecraft to work around your reason. And you cannot try to pull a "if I can run Black Ops, or Alice so well, why can't I run Minecraft at max!? It's **** graphics!" Sadly that is the way Java works. **** graphics. It wants to eat your RAM. Which you are denying it the ability to do.
Edit: And again, if you want XP for everything, just dual-boot a 64bit OS on 10gigs of your drive. Use it solely for Minecraft, and live happily ever after. You don't have to give up XP totally, but you are not going to be able to run at your desired level without doing atleast a dual-boot.
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You do not want to get 64bit, so you cannot play at that level of detail. Do not blame the game for you not wanting to make the most of your rig.
I do not see any more detail in 1.8 than what was in 1.7. What has been added that was so worthy of making all 32-bit users have to cut back on their view distance?
I just do not understand why you expect Minecraft to work around your reason. And you cannot try to pull a "if I can run Black Ops, or Alice so well, why can't I run Minecraft at max!? It's **** graphics!" Sadly that is the way Java works. **** graphics. It wants to eat your RAM. Which you are denying it the ability to do.
Simply because it did before, flawlessly, and there hasn't been much added to the game since then that I could see causing this problem.
I know Minecraft is CPU intensive, I could care less for graphics. The crash happens when Minecraft uses any amount of RAM, I doubt it's crashing by being limited. When it happens I end it with the task manager and look at the memory usage.
It was likely the new lighting system, and other advancements that, sadly, added to the weight of the game and the ram usage. The new lighting system allows chunk updateless lighting effects by applying OpenGL 1.2.1 multitexturing, which requiers more ram but is smoother then the old way because of less CPU. There have been many under the hood changes that make performance smoother...for most people. It often effects max FPS but results in less stutters and lag spikes. It's the sad truth, in order to go forward you must leave some things behind.
If you want you can try to use a custom launcher, try this in a bat file:
set APPDATA=C:\Minecraft
start /high javaw -Xmx2048M -Djava.library.path=bin/natives -cp bin/minecraft.jar;bin/jinput.jar;bin/lwjgl.jar;bin/lwjgl_util.jar net.minecraft.client.Minecraft
Make sure to have it located in the Minecraft directory.
It'll tell you to use less memory for the launcher, but I've found that sometimes just doesn't work. I may use a X64 system, but I only use 3Gbs of ram (I'm poor) so it goes in line to what yours is like in that case (except your ram has a higher clock, but that's not the point) so 2Gbs allocated will do fine hopefully, at least function. Adjust it accordingly if it doesn't work, up or down just mess with it.
Wow there sure is a lot of sillyness in this thread.
Been running Minecraft on Far, Fancy and max FPS since alpha days on an e8400, 4850, 2gb, xp machine without any problems.
Upgrading to W7 isn't at all necessary. Games don't look significantly better in dx11, most people won't ever use more than a few gigs of ram, no mentions of an SSD so even TRIM won't help, security issues can be prevented with common sense, desktop graphics acceleration is very nice but aero isnt.
Having said all that... Downgrading to XP when you already had W7 installed is like buying a ferrari then replacing the wheels with bicycle wheels. You can always turn things off in W7 that you don't like and get a better third-party program for things like the image viewer.
If you've already checked your cpu, gpu, ram then the next place to look is testing your harddrive for errors. Although if it was that you would probably see more problems coming up than just in minecraft. And if minecraft is the only program that gives you problems then its obviously a software issue. It could be some of the overlooked files that is the culprit, so try the 'ol delete all minecraft files except saves, redownload and play. If its still giving problems than it could also be that your savefile is corrupt, but if it happens on all your maps than that can't be it either.
This is why I cant wait for Minecraft to come out on Xbox 360, you just buy the **** and you know you can play it. You dont have to worry about ******** compatibility and dumb ass problems like this. **** PCS they are a ****in hassle.
You might as well cry now. Believe it or not but support for high-end rigs on 10 year old operating systems is not really at the top of the priority list for Minecraft right now. The fact that you only differentiate between the OS's based on stupid things like paint and picture viewer show that you don't understand why new operating systems are truly made.
There are people who have the same setup as you, and guess what, they do not have problems because they have windows 7 64bit. And newsflash, usually when one person has one opinion and everyone else has a different one, then that one person is wrong. So go with the inevitable, and get the seemingly uncomprehendingly better Windows 7.
You might as well cry now. Believe it or not but support for high-end rigs on 10 year old operating systems is not really at the top of the priority list for Minecraft right now. The fact that you only differentiate between the OS's based on stupid things like paint and picture viewer show that you don't understand why new operating systems are truly made.
There are people who have the same setup as you, and guess what, they do not have problems because they have windows 7 64bit. And newsflash, usually when one person has one opinion and everyone else has a different one, then that one person is wrong. So go with the inevitable, and get the seemingly uncomprehendingly better Windows 7.
News flash: I can pay Skyrim with 40+ FPS NO CRASHING on Windows Xp 32-bit.
It's his personal preference people, sheesh. Let him use it, when it comes time for XP to be dropped by Microsoft (which they will, like every system before it) and game developers stop using DirectX9, he'll upgrade because he has to in order to play new games, but until then let him use what he wants. However, if he is going to use XP32, he needs to realize the downsides of not upgrading and know that Minecraft can have max distance with 32bit systems anymore thanks to several factors that they aren't fixing, because they aren't broken.
It's his personal preference people, sheesh. Let him use it, when it comes time for XP to be dropped by Microsoft (which they will, like every system before it) and game developers stop using DirectX9, he'll upgrade because he has to in order to play new games, but until then let him use what he wants. However, if he is going to use XP32, he needs to realize the downsides of not upgrading and know that Minecraft can have max distance with 32bit systems anymore thanks to several factors that they aren't fixing, because they aren't broken.
Ok please explain to me the logic of these factors that they are not fixing. That ALL OF A SUDDEN dont allow people with 32-bit to go on Very far which before this patch and this patch ran and runs at 100+ FPS but crashes? What is the reasonig behind that?
News flash: I can pay Skyrim with 40+ FPS NO CRASHING on Windows Xp 32-bit.
Ungodly poor optimization on Mojangs part.
I'm not saying XP sucks, I'm saying 7 is better. I mean, I can still drive places in my 99 Camry, but it won't be as nice or fast as a 2011 model. Inevitably the upgrade to 7 is going to happen, you can try to keep using your old car, but it is going to be increasingly annoying and difficult. Your choice.
Ok please explain to me the logic of these factors that they are not fixing. That ALL OF A SUDDEN dont allow people with 32-bit to go on Very far which before this patch and this patch ran and runs at 100+ FPS but crashes? What is the reasonig behind that?
Most likely the new lighting system using multi-texturing, multi-threading a few processes, along with small changes under the hood I'll admit I don't fully understand is the most likely culprit. Ultimately, it's the game getting larger then it's simpler older versions. It's a shame I know, but it happens. This is what happens when you play a beta game, if you had never played it before the full release or anyone for that matter, no one would be saying anything.
I'm not saying XP sucks, I'm saying 7 is better. I mean, I can still drive places in my 99 Camry, but it won't be as nice or fast as a 2011 model. Inevitably the upgrade to 7 is going to happen, you can try to keep using your old car, but it is going to be increasingly annoying and difficult. Your choice.
A better way to put it would be all of a sudden a 99 Camry becomes illegal to drive on a highway, and it didn't make the news. You carry on with your usual day but get arrested for it on your way home from work and get the typical "Ignorance doesn't equal innocence" argument when you plead not guilty.
Where the hell did Mojang say we needed a 64-bit OS to run Minecraft on highest settings in 1.8.1? Sure 1.0 added the red text, but the issue started in 1.8.
Ever since 1.8.1 and still here at 1.0.0, my minecraft has started rapidly crashing, well it's never actually crashed but it freezes and never goes back to a playable frame rate until I restart Minecraft.
It is not my hardware that is causing this issue.
CPU: i7 2600K @ 4.0GHz
GPU: GTX 550 Ti @ 1000MHz
RAM: 16GB @ 1600MHz
OS: 32-Bit Windows XP
I've been playing this game since 2/4/11 and I've been playing on maximum settings ever since, with a reliable 100-400 FPS.
Why is it that now, out of nowhere, since 1.8 was released my minecraft crashes randomly while the render distance is set to Far? Even on Far, I get well over 100 FPS but at times when I move a few blocks, it will crash.
I've tried all the stuff most people will suggest I do, like updating and downgrading GPU Drivers, testing the RAM, GPU and CPU for stability, setting the affinity for minecraft to run on one CPU core, trying different types of Java.. custom .bats to launch minecraft with more and less RAM, but nothing has worked.
I believe there was a warning not to run Far Render Distance with an OS of 32 bit on 64-bit Java.
Not a minecraft issue? I'm sorry, I don't understand how that is possible.
1.7.3 - Game runs perfectly.
1.8.1 - Game crashes on "Far"
-Everything Inbetween- Game Crashes on "Far"
1.0.0 - Game crashes on "Far"
Please explain.
I've not saved the benchmarks and I'm not about to run any now, but here are things I remember.
Benchmark Performance
Intel Burn Test
32-bit - 45-60GFlops
64-bit - 110-125GFlops
Real Performance, that affects what I do, not a number in a test.
Games
Alice Madness Returns
32-bit - 150FPS
64-bit - 150FPS
Minecraft
32-bit - 200-400FPS
64-bit 200-400FPS
Call of Duty: Black Ops
32-bit - 91 FPS (Believe it was capped)
64-bit - 91 FPS (Believe it was capped)
Other games with the same performance, forgot the number.
WoW
Rift
GTA: San Andreas
Star Wars Galaxies
Vindictus
Encoding Speeds with HandBrake
(Fairly Stable 100% CPU Usage)
FRAPS Recordings to x264 .mkv @RF:20
32-bit - 40-80FPS
64-bit - 40-80FPS
DVD Encoding to x264 .mkv @RF:20
32-bit - 225FPS
64-bit - 225FPS
It's got 40GB free, you don't know what you're talking about it seems.
And also, we can bump this thread forever and a day. You will not get any other favorable answers to your issue. And finally, really should just put all that you have to say in one post. No need to bump your thread with 2-4 replies.
It's not a great OS because it can view .gifs, it's a great OS because it is. Everyone who swears that Windows 7 is simply superior has their head up their ass. The new Paint is horrible, IMO as well. No theme can change that. I've got my reasons for not liking Windows 7, trust me.
Also the benchmarks should be telling you that Everything I do does not require a 64-bit OS, but you for some reason cannot understand that.
Edit: And again, if you want XP for everything, just dual-boot a 64bit OS on 10gigs of your drive. Use it solely for Minecraft, and live happily ever after. You don't have to give up XP totally, but you are not going to be able to run at your desired level without doing atleast a dual-boot.
I do not see any more detail in 1.8 than what was in 1.7. What has been added that was so worthy of making all 32-bit users have to cut back on their view distance?
Simply because it did before, flawlessly, and there hasn't been much added to the game since then that I could see causing this problem.
I know Minecraft is CPU intensive, I could care less for graphics. The crash happens when Minecraft uses any amount of RAM, I doubt it's crashing by being limited. When it happens I end it with the task manager and look at the memory usage.
If you want you can try to use a custom launcher, try this in a bat file:
Make sure to have it located in the Minecraft directory.
You can also try Optifine and the tips lower on the page (like using Java 7)
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/249637-100-optifine-hd-a-fps-boost-hd-textures/
It'll tell you to use less memory for the launcher, but I've found that sometimes just doesn't work. I may use a X64 system, but I only use 3Gbs of ram (I'm poor) so it goes in line to what yours is like in that case (except your ram has a higher clock, but that's not the point) so 2Gbs allocated will do fine hopefully, at least function. Adjust it accordingly if it doesn't work, up or down just mess with it.
Been running Minecraft on Far, Fancy and max FPS since alpha days on an e8400, 4850, 2gb, xp machine without any problems.
Upgrading to W7 isn't at all necessary. Games don't look significantly better in dx11, most people won't ever use more than a few gigs of ram, no mentions of an SSD so even TRIM won't help, security issues can be prevented with common sense, desktop graphics acceleration is very nice but aero isnt.
Having said all that...
Downgrading to XP when you already had W7 installed is like buying a ferrari then replacing the wheels with bicycle wheels. You can always turn things off in W7 that you don't like and get a better third-party program for things like the image viewer.
If you've already checked your cpu, gpu, ram then the next place to look is testing your harddrive for errors. Although if it was that you would probably see more problems coming up than just in minecraft. And if minecraft is the only program that gives you problems then its obviously a software issue. It could be some of the overlooked files that is the culprit, so try the 'ol delete all minecraft files except saves, redownload and play. If its still giving problems than it could also be that your savefile is corrupt, but if it happens on all your maps than that can't be it either.
Also 5 seconds of googling found me this
Q. I have a Nvidia/ATI card and everything else runs fine except Minecraft. Huh?
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There are people who have the same setup as you, and guess what, they do not have problems because they have windows 7 64bit. And newsflash, usually when one person has one opinion and everyone else has a different one, then that one person is wrong. So go with the inevitable, and get the seemingly uncomprehendingly better Windows 7.
News flash: I can pay Skyrim with 40+ FPS NO CRASHING on Windows Xp 32-bit.
Ungodly poor optimization on Mojangs part.
Ok please explain to me the logic of these factors that they are not fixing. That ALL OF A SUDDEN dont allow people with 32-bit to go on Very far which before this patch and this patch ran and runs at 100+ FPS but crashes? What is the reasonig behind that?
I'm not saying XP sucks, I'm saying 7 is better. I mean, I can still drive places in my 99 Camry, but it won't be as nice or fast as a 2011 model. Inevitably the upgrade to 7 is going to happen, you can try to keep using your old car, but it is going to be increasingly annoying and difficult. Your choice.
Most likely the new lighting system using multi-texturing, multi-threading a few processes, along with small changes under the hood I'll admit I don't fully understand is the most likely culprit. Ultimately, it's the game getting larger then it's simpler older versions. It's a shame I know, but it happens. This is what happens when you play a beta game, if you had never played it before the full release or anyone for that matter, no one would be saying anything.
A better way to put it would be all of a sudden a 99 Camry becomes illegal to drive on a highway, and it didn't make the news. You carry on with your usual day but get arrested for it on your way home from work and get the typical "Ignorance doesn't equal innocence" argument when you plead not guilty.
Where the hell did Mojang say we needed a 64-bit OS to run Minecraft on highest settings in 1.8.1? Sure 1.0 added the red text, but the issue started in 1.8.
I believe there was a warning not to run Far Render Distance with an OS of 32 bit on 64-bit Java.