As strange as it seems id have to agree with flame, somethimes doing the right thing is better than doing the convenient, this time id like to say that i feel flatirons has been blunt and sometimes rude to our fellows peers, including me.
Sometimes answers like no, or " because I say so" arent just enough.
Ive felt a lot of negative feedback from flat, not only with me but with the others, and his attitued its just something that cant be just ignored, i know how solid someone has to be in order to keep peace in one place, but i think things have gone too far.
I could use examples but for the health of this thread i will refrain from mentioning them, unless im asked to.
So i say out loud that i approve this suggestion.
Tho i feel i cant nominate any of the members due to the fact that i dont know them in a deep way to determine who is righteous and deserves to be part of the triunvirate, as a leader we need someone who is just, wise, has leadership skills and can communicate easily with other members.
Id like to add that im aware of the consequences this my bring to my staying in this server, but thats the way i am, i follow justice, fairness, and truth no matter what.
Flats, I don't need to point out the worst dictatorship in history.... However, arguably the most successful would be that of Alexander the Great. Yes, he ruled an empire, but at the same time, his death and peculiar idiosyncrasies toppled it. A poor example of a triumvirate would be Octavius, Marc Antony, and Marcus Amelius, a trio who seized power. An excellent example of a working triumvirate would be the United States government. (I'm stretching the definition a little, but we also don't have 300000000 people on our server.)
As strange as it seems id have to agree with flame, somethimes doing the right thing is better than doing the convenient, this time id like to say that i feel flatirons has been blunt and sometimes rude to our fellows peers, including me.
Sometimes answers like no, or " because I say so" arent just enough.
Ive felt a lot of negative feedback from flat, not only with me but with the others, and his attitued its just something that cant be just ignored, i know how solid someone has to be in order to keep peace in one place, but i think things have gone too far.
I could use examples but for the health of this thread i will refrain from mentioning them, unless im asked to.
So i say out loud that i approve this suggestion.
Tho i feel i cant nominate any of the members due to the fact that i dont know them in a deep way to determine who is righteous and deserves to be part of the triunvirate, as a leader we need someone who is just, wise, has leadership skills and can communicate easily with other members.
Id like to add that im aware of the consequences this my bring to my staying in this server, but thats the way i am, i follow justice, fairness, and truth no matter what.
The reason I'm so upset with you and others is because the last few weeks have been a non-stop headache from finals in school, managing some of the worst of the delinquents in the server, and having to deal with common extreme choices which have only been introduced in starting Styx City.
As soon as things settle down and finals are over, I would be that "wise and just" leader you speak of, and not the "cruel, mean dictator" you think I am.
As I too, have faced some harsh comments at time of rage, but I don't think we need to elect a new head, but just equalize the main admins with the most power and whatever decisions we go through, let it be up to them. There's no point of electing a whole new 'board of directors' so to speak, just keep the current ones and make sure everyone has a say in an argument. That's all we really need.
I stress again that we do not need a whole new election, as most players aren't on all the time to vote nor all the admins. Debate would be a big problem, too. I can picture in my head, the whole server filled with signs everywhere saying "Vote for Me!" and 'Screw that, vote for ME!" It would be uber chaos and it's not called for.
Let's wrap this up... Yes, I am in favor of a democracy in our server. No, I don't think we should have new admins and everything. I think we should keep the set up we have now, but adjust it so that anyone who's loyal to the server and the commanders can be one, but the current commanders cannot lose their seat unless betrayal plays a part.
Flats, I don't need to point out the worst dictatorship in history.... However, arguably the most successful would be that of Alexander the Great. Yes, he ruled an empire, but at the same time, his death and peculiar idiosyncrasies toppled it. A poor example of a triumvirate would be Octavius, Marc Antony, and Marcus Amelius, a trio who seized power. An excellent example of a working triumvirate would be the United States government. (I'm stretching the definition a little, but we also don't have 300000000 people on our server.)
Those don't relate to our server. For example, they both had to deal with warfare, managing supplies and taxes, maintaining politics, solving problems like sickness and wealth (Not griefers and whiners), all with early technology.
United States has an alliance with most countries, and have none of the problems from above not due to them being triumvirate, but because of the age and position they're in.
Those don't relate to our server. For example, they both had to deal with warfare, managing supplies and taxes, maintaining politics, solving problems like sickness and wealth (Not griefers and whiners), all with early technology.
United States has an alliance with most countries, and have none of the problems from above not due to them being triumvirate, but because of the age and position they're in.
You want an example of a triumvirate that didn't take care of things that a leadership would usually take care of?
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Those don't relate to our server. For example, they both had to deal with warfare, managing supplies and taxes, maintaining politics, solving problems like sickness and wealth (Not griefers and whiners), all with early technology.
United States has an alliance with most countries, and have none of the problems from above not due to them being triumvirate, but because of the age and position they're in.
You want an example of a triumvirate that didn't take care of things that a leadership would usually take care of?[/quote]
When I asked him about the good/bad of the old way, I didn't mean for him to give me examples of things that could never possibly happen in Minecraft to prove a point.
When I asked him about the good/bad of the old way, I didn't mean for him to give me examples of things that could never possibly happen in Minecraft to prove a point.
How could one possibly find an example of a Triumvirate/Dictatorship that relates to Minecraft?
@Flats- I will not dispute your claim that you can be a just ruler, however, you admit yourself that stress due to relatively normal things such as finals can cause you to be less than just. Do you understand why this cannot be? Any community needs a set of leaders that is not subject to the vagaries of a personal life.
And finally, in relation to racer's comment, perhaps a complete overhaul is overkill. However, I would rather go too far, and still succeed, than go not far enough and fail.
Please tell me Jon didn't actually shut down the server.
Just because thugcup came crying to him...
-.-
I seriously hope not.
He built a gigantic glowstone cube in the middle of no where, without clearance from either me or Turtlee...
Not only was it against the Greek aesthetic of the server, it was also a bit of an eyesore.
He also threatened to TNT the entire spawn building AND swore quite continuously at everyone in the server.
@Flats- I will not dispute your claim that you can be a just ruler, however, you admit yourself that stress due to relatively normal things such as finals can cause you to be less than just. Do you understand why this cannot be? Any community needs a set of leaders that is not subject to the vagaries of a personal life.
And finally, in relation to racer's comment, perhaps a complete overhaul is overkill. However, I would rather go too far, and still succeed, than go not far enough and fail.
Are you saying that "finals are common and they make you stupid", then saying "we need a ruler that doesn't have a life"?
Also, the community gets easily torn apart by votes.
There was tons of flames and fighting in the server about Democracy vs. "Dictatorship".
If that happened every week, the community would be torn apart.
This is a team server; We can't split the team in half.
Also, yes.
Thugcup built some big golden cube (huuuuge) without any permission, and when we wanted to destroy it, he went ranting about how "your ego is too big" "**** u" "jon gave me permission" "i'll grief the spawn tower, i don't give a ****".
He's rolling it back because someone destroyed our /sarcasm TOTALLY NECESSARY /sarcasm off lightstone synagogue.
I'm pretty sure Romans didn't encourage Judaism. Not sure about greeks.
I actually wanted to ban or at least de-admin thugcup some time ago, but it was out of the question because he's Jon's BFF.
He built quite a bit without any permission and kind of abused things as an admin; I'll have to say I shared that thought.
I was actually about to tip over to banning thug before the server shut down. If jon cared about thugcup that much then we would just be able to unban.
EDIT:
Jon...still isn't responding.
He might like thug too much to let us continue working on his server. I don't know yet.
The sheer amount of poison that was coming out of his mouth was worthy of a ban, or a demotion, at least. And then, to top it all off, HE THREATENS TO TNT THE ENTIRE SPAWN BUILDING.
The sheer amount of poison that was coming out of his mouth was worthy of a ban, or a demotion, at least. And then, to top it all off, HE THREATENS TO TNT THE ENTIRE SPAWN BUILDING.
Describe a scenario of the worst/best of dictatorship and the worst/best of a triad.
Or just your vision of what the city will be like if the plan follows through, and what the vision of what you see the city is now.
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Sometimes answers like no, or " because I say so" arent just enough.
Ive felt a lot of negative feedback from flat, not only with me but with the others, and his attitued its just something that cant be just ignored, i know how solid someone has to be in order to keep peace in one place, but i think things have gone too far.
I could use examples but for the health of this thread i will refrain from mentioning them, unless im asked to.
So i say out loud that i approve this suggestion.
Tho i feel i cant nominate any of the members due to the fact that i dont know them in a deep way to determine who is righteous and deserves to be part of the triunvirate, as a leader we need someone who is just, wise, has leadership skills and can communicate easily with other members.
Id like to add that im aware of the consequences this my bring to my staying in this server, but thats the way i am, i follow justice, fairness, and truth no matter what.
The reason I'm so upset with you and others is because the last few weeks have been a non-stop headache from finals in school, managing some of the worst of the delinquents in the server, and having to deal with common extreme choices which have only been introduced in starting Styx City.
As soon as things settle down and finals are over, I would be that "wise and just" leader you speak of, and not the "cruel, mean dictator" you think I am.
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As I too, have faced some harsh comments at time of rage, but I don't think we need to elect a new head, but just equalize the main admins with the most power and whatever decisions we go through, let it be up to them. There's no point of electing a whole new 'board of directors' so to speak, just keep the current ones and make sure everyone has a say in an argument. That's all we really need.
I stress again that we do not need a whole new election, as most players aren't on all the time to vote nor all the admins. Debate would be a big problem, too. I can picture in my head, the whole server filled with signs everywhere saying "Vote for Me!" and 'Screw that, vote for ME!" It would be uber chaos and it's not called for.
Let's wrap this up... Yes, I am in favor of a democracy in our server. No, I don't think we should have new admins and everything. I think we should keep the set up we have now, but adjust it so that anyone who's loyal to the server and the commanders can be one, but the current commanders cannot lose their seat unless betrayal plays a part.
Those don't relate to our server. For example, they both had to deal with warfare, managing supplies and taxes, maintaining politics, solving problems like sickness and wealth (Not griefers and whiners), all with early technology.
United States has an alliance with most countries, and have none of the problems from above not due to them being triumvirate, but because of the age and position they're in.
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You want an example of a triumvirate that didn't take care of things that a leadership would usually take care of?
You want an example of a triumvirate that didn't take care of things that a leadership would usually take care of?[/quote]
When I asked him about the good/bad of the old way, I didn't mean for him to give me examples of things that could never possibly happen in Minecraft to prove a point.
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How could one possibly find an example of a Triumvirate/Dictatorship that relates to Minecraft?
@Flats- I will not dispute your claim that you can be a just ruler, however, you admit yourself that stress due to relatively normal things such as finals can cause you to be less than just. Do you understand why this cannot be? Any community needs a set of leaders that is not subject to the vagaries of a personal life.
And finally, in relation to racer's comment, perhaps a complete overhaul is overkill. However, I would rather go too far, and still succeed, than go not far enough and fail.
Just because thugcup came crying to him...
Edit: I seriously hope this can be explained to Jon. We can't even go to another host (no offence, Jon), because we'd lose EVERYTHING.
-.-
I seriously hope not.
He built a gigantic glowstone cube in the middle of no where, without clearance from either me or Turtlee...
Not only was it against the Greek aesthetic of the server, it was also a bit of an eyesore.
He also threatened to TNT the entire spawn building AND swore quite continuously at everyone in the server.
Are you saying that "finals are common and they make you stupid", then saying "we need a ruler that doesn't have a life"?
Also, the community gets easily torn apart by votes.
There was tons of flames and fighting in the server about Democracy vs. "Dictatorship".
If that happened every week, the community would be torn apart.
This is a team server; We can't split the team in half.
Also, yes.
Thugcup built some big golden cube (huuuuge) without any permission, and when we wanted to destroy it, he went ranting about how "your ego is too big" "**** u" "jon gave me permission" "i'll grief the spawn tower, i don't give a ****".
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I'm pretty sure Romans didn't encourage Judaism. Not sure about greeks.
Fairly sure they didn't make any contact with eachother until after the "glory days" of greece ended.
Jon isn't responding to me on Steam (yet he's in a game, so he's not afk). I think he might trust thugcup so much that he believes we're asses.
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He built quite a bit without any permission and kind of abused things as an admin; I'll have to say I shared that thought.
I was actually about to tip over to banning thug before the server shut down. If jon cared about thugcup that much then we would just be able to unban.
EDIT:
Jon...still isn't responding.
He might like thug too much to let us continue working on his server. I don't know yet.
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I think that is quite worthy of a ban, at LEAST.
I don't know, I think jon gave up on us.
EDIT:
Server just ran out of memory. It restarted.
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