Trees in minecraft are supposed to be a sustainable resource, now roofed forests have an abundant source of wood but without use of enchants like fortune the dark oak wood drop rates are below what you need to grow a tree (which requires 4 saplings) I have a play style in which I don't use enchants and I can't get the dark oak wood I need as I've run out of saplings. What do you guys think?
Do you know the actual percentage to proof that it isn't just bad luck?
It has a 1/20 chance to drop and there is probably around 20-30 leaves per tree, takes 4 saplings to grow a tree, Also, many others have been having my same problem.
I collected 4 dark oak sapplings and brought them back to my mesa home. I've been planting chopping and replanting ever since then (with no enchantments) and my sappling supply keeps growing. True, every now and again you get less then 4 sapplings from one tree, but the average is clearly more then 4 per tree.
Good to see it worked out for someone, I still have a problem with the drops, perhaps I am just getting unlucky.
My current 1.7 world does quite fine. I live in a dark forest biome (I love the new wood) and find that the sapling drop rates aren't that bad. I usually get 2-4 saplings per tree, which is about enough for a sustainable farm.
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My current 1.7 world does quite fine. I live in a dark forest biome (I love the new wood) and find that the sapling drop rates aren't that bad. I usually get 2-4 saplings per tree, which is about enough for a sustainable farm.
I guess that does better than the Jungle trees, where I usually get 1.2-1.5 saplings (yes, that is a part of a sapling as in averaged over a whole forest) per tree. Technically sustainable, it is still a pain in the behind in terms of trying to build a jungle tree farm and often I never get a sapling from jungle trees.
This tree sounds more typical for other ordinary trees, although with the large oak trees I can often get about 20-40 saplings on a huge tree (way more than I ever need).
Good to see it worked out for someone, I still have a problem with the drops, perhaps I am just getting unlucky.
I don't know if this means anything for this post, but a couple of times when I started a map, I cut down normal oak trees and get little to no saplings at the start. Eventually as I play the maps I start getting more saplings from the oak trees. So maybe the chances of getting plenty of dark oak saplings were low to start with for you?
Watching BdoubleO's Mindcrack videos he had to resort to a Fortune axe to get enough saplings. Maybe that could help you until Mojang changes the drop rate, if they decide to.
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I don't know if this means anything for this post, but a couple of times when I started a map, I cut down normal oak trees and get little to no saplings at the start. Eventually as I play the maps I start getting more saplings from the oak trees. So maybe the chances of getting plenty of dark oak saplings were low to start with for you?
Perhaps although that seems like something strange to have in the code. I'll play around with it more when I get a chance, yes I've watched Bdub's video. For now I don't have any fortune tools.
Trees in minecraft are supposed to be a sustainable resource, now roofed forests have an abundant source of wood but without use of enchants like fortune the dark oak wood drop rates are below what you need to grow a tree (which requires 4 saplings) I have a play style in which I don't use enchants and I can't get the dark oak wood I need as I've run out of saplings. What do you guys think?
I haven't noticed any deficiency in the drop of dark oak saplings, but out of curiosity, I went to my creative lab and tested this.
Out of four trees tested, I got:7 saplings, 10 saplings and an apple, 5 saplings, and 7 saplings. While this isn't a significant sample size, it does indicate that if you're not getting enough saplings to renew your supply, you're either very unlucky, or your tree farm isn't designed to maximize your sapling drops.
Ever since they added a game rule to turn natural regeneration off, I've designed my early tree farms to maximize apple drops (and thus sapling drops) Each oak tree is planted in its own 9x9 area where water flushes all the drops from the leaves into a hopper. Most tree farms are designed to make harvesting the wood easy, which reduces the number of leaf blocks (and thus sapling drops).
The fact that you actually need 4 saplings to grow a 3 makes it feel like is a little bit low. If we were able to grow "normal" dark oaks and big dark oaks (like jungle trees) would be better for the sustainability of dark oaks...
A few thought:
1. Do you manually destroy all the leaf blocks or could it be that sapplings drop when you are not watching and they manage to be destroyed by the 5 minute timer before you return to the site?
2. Are you planting your tree with enough free space around it so that it actualy generates all the leaf blocks it wants to? Planting trees tight together will reduce the amount of new leaf blocks each tree generate.
It can be hard to get started with dark oak and jungle trees alike as you can every now and then end up with no sapplings (or fewer then 4 in the dark oak case). But once you have a small buffer of sapplings, the unlucky cases will be balanced out by the lucky ones and your sappling supply will start to grow.
Yes, I know enough to plant my tree in an open space and I was waiting and farming my dark oak wood, none of the sapling despawned.
The fact that you actually need 4 saplings to grow a 3 makes it feel like is a little bit low. If we were able to grow "normal" dark oaks and big dark oaks (like jungle trees) would be better for the sustainability of dark oaks...
To be honest I never had a problem with this. Typically, one tree drops well over 4 saplings. I brought a bunch of saplings home at one point, planted 2 trees and ever since my dark oak sapling supply keeps going up, not down.
It sounds to me like it was just bad luck on a couple trees for you, not a rule.
Well I suppose it was. I'll trek on back 1000 blocks to get me some more saplings...
i have grown 3 dark oak trees on java. i got literally 1 sapling per tree. WHYYYYY?!?!?
You were probably just unlucky. In 1.14 and 1.15 vanilla Minecraft I usually break even and have enough to replant with maybe a couple of extras that I save for when I get fewer than 4 saplings per tree. I only plant around 5 trees because they yield all the dark oak wood I need. I don‘t leave the area until all the leaves have disintegrated, so I don‘t miss any apples or saplings that fall. In contrast, I get so many saplings from other kinds of trees that I end up feeding them to the composter.
I recently started farming dark oak and at first I noticed the same thing, I'm on pocket edition v1.18 right now. One thing I noticed is that when I harvested right after they grew in I tended to be just fine, but if I waited and did other things and came back I would get fewer sapplings.
As an experiment I harvested and replanted about 10 right away and was left with over 16 saplings left after ward.
However when I tried that again but waited a few days before coming back to harvest I had a net loss of 4...
So I repeated this, but sat and watched for a few days...
Apparently, the dark oak trees that grow with vines have a problem. If you sit and watch a bit, they slowly degrade over time. I guess the leaf pattern is putting leaves in that are too far away from the nearest log so they eventually disappear!
If you sit and walk around for a few days after a dark oak with vines grows you can see it happening. One of them lost more than half its foliage just sitting there.
I don't know if this is a bug or not, but I'd be surprised if it was the true desired result. In any case, try harvesting the trees immediately after they grow. Especially the ones that grow with vines on them. Otherwise they seem to fall apart and if you're not there to pick up the sapplings, you wont get enough to replant and have a net gain.
I realize 10 and 10 is not a great sample size, but I think after what I observed it makes sense why some struggle to get a sustainable farm.
So it might not be that you are 'unlucky', you just need to change how you harvest.
Also, even with harvesting right away, make sure the trees are spaced far enough apart. These trees seem to have just barely enough leaves to average a net gain.
If you leave about 7 blocks between nearest sapplings in each tree then you should guarantee no overlap. I also harvest all the foliage directly with a hoe, just to make sure I dont have any sapplings disappear before I get them.
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Since I started doing all that I've had no problem getting a workable dark oak farm.
- I have never seen vines on dark oak, only on 2x2 jungle trees.
- I occasionally get a bad harvest, but in most harvests I get more saplings than the trees I cut, for every type of tree.
So, I don't know what causes the problem, but as a hunch... Could it be the biome you setup your farm in? Or could there be some strange conditions in your farm like a roof, other trees that are too close, or objects like torches interfering with growth?
If none of that helps look for a youtube video named something like "the ultimate tree farm". It has great stuff in it and I always rewatch it before setting up a new tree farm.
It has a 1/20 chance to drop and there is probably around 20-30 leaves per tree, takes 4 saplings to grow a tree, Also, many others have been having my same problem.
Good to see it worked out for someone, I still have a problem with the drops, perhaps I am just getting unlucky.
I guess that does better than the Jungle trees, where I usually get 1.2-1.5 saplings (yes, that is a part of a sapling as in averaged over a whole forest) per tree. Technically sustainable, it is still a pain in the behind in terms of trying to build a jungle tree farm and often I never get a sapling from jungle trees.
This tree sounds more typical for other ordinary trees, although with the large oak trees I can often get about 20-40 saplings on a huge tree (way more than I ever need).
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I don't know if this means anything for this post, but a couple of times when I started a map, I cut down normal oak trees and get little to no saplings at the start. Eventually as I play the maps I start getting more saplings from the oak trees. So maybe the chances of getting plenty of dark oak saplings were low to start with for you?
Perhaps although that seems like something strange to have in the code. I'll play around with it more when I get a chance, yes I've watched Bdub's video. For now I don't have any fortune tools.
I haven't noticed any deficiency in the drop of dark oak saplings, but out of curiosity, I went to my creative lab and tested this.
Out of four trees tested, I got:7 saplings, 10 saplings and an apple, 5 saplings, and 7 saplings. While this isn't a significant sample size, it does indicate that if you're not getting enough saplings to renew your supply, you're either very unlucky, or your tree farm isn't designed to maximize your sapling drops.
Ever since they added a game rule to turn natural regeneration off, I've designed my early tree farms to maximize apple drops (and thus sapling drops) Each oak tree is planted in its own 9x9 area where water flushes all the drops from the leaves into a hopper. Most tree farms are designed to make harvesting the wood easy, which reduces the number of leaf blocks (and thus sapling drops).
Yes, I know enough to plant my tree in an open space and I was waiting and farming my dark oak wood, none of the sapling despawned.
Absolutely.
Well I suppose it was. I'll trek on back 1000 blocks to get me some more saplings...
i have grown 3 dark oak trees on java. i got literally 1 sapling per tree. WHYYYYY?!?!?
You were probably just unlucky. In 1.14 and 1.15 vanilla Minecraft I usually break even and have enough to replant with maybe a couple of extras that I save for when I get fewer than 4 saplings per tree. I only plant around 5 trees because they yield all the dark oak wood I need. I don‘t leave the area until all the leaves have disintegrated, so I don‘t miss any apples or saplings that fall. In contrast, I get so many saplings from other kinds of trees that I end up feeding them to the composter.
I recently started farming dark oak and at first I noticed the same thing, I'm on pocket edition v1.18 right now. One thing I noticed is that when I harvested right after they grew in I tended to be just fine, but if I waited and did other things and came back I would get fewer sapplings.
As an experiment I harvested and replanted about 10 right away and was left with over 16 saplings left after ward.
However when I tried that again but waited a few days before coming back to harvest I had a net loss of 4...
So I repeated this, but sat and watched for a few days...
Apparently, the dark oak trees that grow with vines have a problem. If you sit and watch a bit, they slowly degrade over time. I guess the leaf pattern is putting leaves in that are too far away from the nearest log so they eventually disappear!
If you sit and walk around for a few days after a dark oak with vines grows you can see it happening. One of them lost more than half its foliage just sitting there.
I don't know if this is a bug or not, but I'd be surprised if it was the true desired result. In any case, try harvesting the trees immediately after they grow. Especially the ones that grow with vines on them. Otherwise they seem to fall apart and if you're not there to pick up the sapplings, you wont get enough to replant and have a net gain.
I realize 10 and 10 is not a great sample size, but I think after what I observed it makes sense why some struggle to get a sustainable farm.
So it might not be that you are 'unlucky', you just need to change how you harvest.
Also, even with harvesting right away, make sure the trees are spaced far enough apart. These trees seem to have just barely enough leaves to average a net gain.
If you leave about 7 blocks between nearest sapplings in each tree then you should guarantee no overlap. I also harvest all the foliage directly with a hoe, just to make sure I dont have any sapplings disappear before I get them.
So, something like this:
Since I started doing all that I've had no problem getting a workable dark oak farm.
Puzzling.
- I play Java edition.
- I have never seen vines on dark oak, only on 2x2 jungle trees.
- I occasionally get a bad harvest, but in most harvests I get more saplings than the trees I cut, for every type of tree.
So, I don't know what causes the problem, but as a hunch... Could it be the biome you setup your farm in? Or could there be some strange conditions in your farm like a roof, other trees that are too close, or objects like torches interfering with growth?
If none of that helps look for a youtube video named something like "the ultimate tree farm". It has great stuff in it and I always rewatch it before setting up a new tree farm.